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Polling. Even among young Evangelicals, neutral/Pro-Palestine is the most common position increasingly.
Huh. First I've heard of this, and I've never seen anything myself that supports it. Got any sources on that?
Polling. Even among young Evangelicals, neutral/Pro-Palestine is the most common position increasingly.
Huh. First I've heard of this, and I've never seen anything myself that supports it. Got any sources on that?
And Brazil+Spain+Portugal*I would have described myself as a Zionist-phile not long ago, due to my positive Western-like experience in Tel Aviv.
I had also LESS than pleasant experience with a few Israelis.
There Is the possibility my paternal grandfather or his mother was jewish.
So I am biased in both directions.
As a non-Israeli and non-American, I rather have neutral relations with Italy. Tech for Money at best.
That Is because Israeli foreign policy tend to affect direct Italy and Syria, which I have a good friend from there.
So long as Israel and US policies dont affect the Mediterranean countries I am neutral, but neither Israel or the US have a policy of live and let live so I am begrugdingly cautious and pissed about both.
The military industrial complex is gonna be just fine without it but if you see it as that important, why not use it directly in our own defense budget without the third party in the form of Israel acting as a siphon and thus harming our own security?
Why do we suddenly have to be consistent in sanctions when we are not already?
As for causes, it's really simple. We can cite how Israel has been selling U.S. military technology to China since the 1990s, how they have conducted significant espionage against us, and finally we can cite how their actions have directly contributed to the loss of security by tying us to their crimes.
No, it's completely legal and the U.S. does this from time to time for other entities.
AIPAC, the ADL and others all fit the criteria for unregistered foreign lobbyists and because of that can be dismantled. Back in the 1990s, the ADL was actually raided by the FBI for their spying activities.
No, you can and again, we do this quite often because the Foreign Agents act also applies to individuals.
I guess a meme would relay the point more effectively.
I was leaning towards confused acceptance, until I got to the 'over half voted Biden over Trump' part. They rather obviously sampled a massively disproportionately left-wing part of Evangelicals, which are generally a very small portion of Evangelicals.
Given that I saw a lot more Evangelicals willing to vote Trump in 2020 than in 2016, I don't see any other logical reason for the sudden massive shift. It's not like the Palestinians stopped making rocket attacks between 2018 and 2021, or the Israeli policy on dealing with Hamas and the like meaningfully changed either.
Providence Mag said:The Washington Post’s article covering this same survey data provides age-specific figures: just under 69 percent of young evangelicals 18–29 years old supported Israel in 2018, with 5.6 percent supporting Palestine and 25 percent supporting neither.
Providence Mag said:The 2021 racial breakdown sees about a 14 percentage point shift in the polled demographic away from White respondents toward minority respondents. While we cannot say exactly how much of the supposed gap this 14 percentage point change could explain, the Washington Post notes that the researchers “found wide rifts in this year’s young evangelicals survey” between these racial subgroups’ answers, suggesting that the elusive 36 percentage point gap (that is, a gap reflecting the actual change in young evangelical opinion at large) could very well be in the 20s instead.
Providence Mag said:The central question of the 2018 poll was, “Where do you put your support?” followed by five choices. Between two pro-Israel options and two pro-Palestinian options sat a supposedly neutral option that read, “Support Neither.” Researchers removed an initial “I Don’t Know” option that would have taken about 14 percent of responses. This change left anyone unwilling to voice partisan support in a misanthropic-sounding middle camp.
Similarly, the 2021 poll question reads, “In relation to the Israeli-Palestinian dispute, where do you place your support?” Three tiers of both pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian support follow, separated by an option to “Support Neither.” But it is hardly likely that all who selected the latter option were simply apathetic or ambivalent about the situation. They simply had no way to voice support for both.
The article has its own conclusions as well for what is still a drop in support with Israel, most of it having to do with the fact that American Academia, Media and Institutions have often tied Muslim and Palestinian issues with that of Race, especially in the wake of the George Floyd Race Riots back in 2020.
Does it matter evangelicals aren’t Christian, so why should we talk about their support or non support for Israel?
Two reasons the first is prosperity theology. Basically the exact opposite of what Jesus taught. The second when I talked to some evangelicals about why they support Israel(it’s ok to support Israel for normal reasons it’s a democracy, good for our real political interests, whatever. But theological reasons are wrong.)...why do you say Evanggelicals aren't Christian?
Two reasons the first is prosperity theology. Basically the exact opposite of what Jesus taught. The second when I talked to some evangelicals about why they support Israel(it’s ok to support Israel for normal reasons it’s a democracy, good for our real political interests, whatever. But theological reasons are wrong.)
They basically just used a brain dead interpretation of God will bless those who bless Abraham’s seed and curse those who curse it. Basically saying Israel and Jews are gods chosen people.
Two reasons the first is prosperity theology. Basically the exact opposite of what Jesus taught. The second when I talked to some evangelicals about why they support Israel(it’s ok to support Israel for normal reasons it’s a democracy, good for our real political interests, whatever. But theological reasons are wrong.)
They basically just used a brain dead interpretation of God will bless those who bless Abraham’s seed and curse those who curse it. Basically saying Israel and Jews are gods chosen people.
Lol of course as a Jew you would believe that Jews are gods chosen. Just like Muslims think they are gods chosen, and Christians would. I’m not being a brat or envious or trying to insult Jews.I’m just saying that as a Christian you can’t claim that Jews are still Gods chosen as that would conflict with basic tenants of Christianity. Unless you have a very unique definition of gods chosen.I honestly belive that we jews are gods chosen people and wish he would choose some one else for a change.
Does it matter evangelicals aren’t Christian, so why should we talk about their support or non support for Israel?
I honestly belive that we jews are gods chosen people and wish he would choose some one else for a change.
Yes in the Old Testament that applied. But if you are Christian you also have to look at the New Testament. This is a pretty big topic that can have a few avenues so I will make a new thread so this one isn’t derailed. Where should I put it the philosophy and essays or news and politics? Also what other groups espouse prosperity gospel?Prosperity stuff is neither exclusive to evangelicals nor is it universal within evangelical churches (nor is dubious theology in general a uniquely evangelical issue).
Jews as God's chosen people is straight from the Bible, Deuteronomy 7:6 for example. There's certainly debate as to what that means today and for us as Christians, but it's absolutely a biblical principle.
Where should I put it the philosophy and essays or news and politics?
Also what other groups espouse prosperity gospel?