CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
How would history go with him in charge instead of Stalin?
The thing is Lenin was just pragmatic enough to try to get Russia in its feet using small scale capitalism, that failed miserably. Then again, Russia has this tendency to require it to go into modernity (of the time period) one way and only one way: kicking and screaming.People would be explaining that the Soviet Union wasn't real communism, and if only Stalin had been in charge instead of Lenin we would have had a worker's utopia, but Lenin betrayed his own ideals.
The thing is Lenin was just pragmatic enough to try to get Russia in its feet using small scale capitalism, that failed miserably. Then again, Russia has this tendency to require it to go into modernity (of the time period) one way and only one way: kicking and screaming.
People would be explaining that the Soviet Union wasn't real communism, and if only Stalin had been in charge instead of Lenin we would have had a worker's utopia, but Lenin betrayed his own ideals.
From my readings... absolutely not, even when filtering for propaganda. Why do you think Stalin was able to implement the 5-year plans? Because the NEP just ended up not working.I thought that the NEP was a success story? It was War Communism that was a huge failure, to my knowledge.
From my readings... absolutely not, even when filtering for propaganda. Why do you think Stalin was able to implement the 5-year plans? Because the NEP just ended up not working.
As I said, Russia has this tendency to only become 'modern' one way and one way only: kicking and screaming.
How would history go with him in charge instead of Stalin?
It worked much better tyhen communism which Sralin introduced.From my readings... absolutely not, even when filtering for propaganda. Why do you think Stalin was able to implement the 5-year plans? Because the NEP just ended up not working.
As I said, Russia has this tendency to only become 'modern' one way and one way only: kicking and screaming.
Ideology and brutality. Millions died for something that wasn't really working as well as advertised. The NEP wasn't followed because ideologically it wasn't supposed to work, so couldn't be allowed to continue working.From my readings... absolutely not, even when filtering for propaganda. Why do you think Stalin was able to implement the 5-year plans?
Ideology and brutality. Millions died for something that wasn't really working as well as advertised. The NEP wasn't followed because ideologically it wasn't supposed to work, so couldn't be allowed to continue working.
Stalin thought that small producers couldn't create the necessary amounts of grain needed to raise money via exports to institute the 5 year plan and insisted on collectivization to boost output, completely ignoring that output was higher under the NEP than even in 1914. Instead production collapsed with the end of the NEP and institution of collectivization. So the NEP was working very well, but Stalin turned it into a disaster by replacing it.
Problem, Russia needed to industrialize quickly, or have you forgotten that those five-year plans were Trotsky's idea in the first place? Stalin only implemented them.I thought that the 5 Year Plans were implemented because Stalin wanted them to be implemented, not necessarily because the NEP was not working? Though I suppose that if one wanted a quick industrialization and didn't care at all about extremely massive losses of life, well, ...
Problem, Russia needed to industrialize quickly, or have you forgotten that those five-year plans were Trotsky's idea in the first place? Stalin only implemented them.
When Trotsky -Lenin's right-hand man and far closer to Lenin in ideology than Stalin- recognized the need to crash-industrialize...
He was like, 'they're my idea, it's just Stalin implemented them horribly' when he was asked about them. Though, given the aforementioned resistance to modernization... you're still going to be on top of a pile of bodies by the end of it.Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Trotsky supported Stalin on this issue and only disagreed with him on some other issues.
He was like, 'they're my idea, it's just Stalin implemented them horribly' when he was asked about them. Though, given the aforementioned resistance to modernization... you're still going to be on top of a pile of bodies by the end of it.
I thought that the NEP was a success story? It was War Communism that was a huge failure, to my knowledge.
Another good cartoon about this topic:
You also forget that every time Russia 'modernized', it was on top of a pile of bodies. So it's business as usual.
That... isn't entirely the case. You would be surprised at how bloody Russia was during the Tzarist industrialization era, though that kind of ended prematurely with Nicky's predecessor's untimely demise.Tsarist modernization was nowhere near as bloody and brutal as Bolshevik modernization was.
That... isn't entirely the case. You would be surprised at how bloody Russia was during the Tzarist industrialization era, though that kind of ended prematurely with Nicky's predecessor's untimely demise.
Can that be validated, mainly because we've had some lousy academia in that department? Just checking because we've had some groups pulling some 1984 shit on Tzarist Russia.The worst pre-Communist Russian famine had less than half a million total deaths:
And the number of people whom Tsarist Russia jailed and executed over its last 100 years was also relatively low:
The Russian Empire: Too Nice For Its Own Good
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