Dude, you keep lying about what I said in that argument.No they are different. Trumps EO while not great at least they copied the definition that was used and made it their own.
(i) the non-legally binding working definition of anti Semitism adopted on May 26, 2016, by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA), which states, “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities”; and
I can accept a definition that says basically "ill will towards Jews is anti semitism."
What I don't consider ok is the new law which says whatever the IHRA says
What is antisemitism?
With the IHRA working definition of antisemitism, the IHRA built international consensus around an answer to the question, what does antisemitism mean?holocaustremembrance.com
Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:
The bolded parts are objectionable.
- Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
- Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
- Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
- Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
- Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
- Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
- Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
- Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
- Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
- Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
- Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
The holocaust remembrance organization is trying to make a double standard for Jews to receive preferential treatment while these types of actions towards other nations would not be called racist.
3, and 11 Accusing people of being responsible for actions of other people who are part of their group is a thing that is done to more than just Jews. I mean we've had you and Marduk disparage all Muslims/Arabs for the actions of some of them. Either it's ok to judge societies by some individuals when those individual acts are "common" or done by those in power, or it's not. Hell @Bacle wanted to punish and deport all Ethnic Russians back to Russia and hold them responsible for the actions of Putin and the current government of the Russian federation.
6. If someone has citizenship or the possibility to gain easy citizenship in another nation then would it not be prudent to take a closer look. I knew accusations of dual loyalty can be ugly. But you are in the military right? You have to deal with clearances to get confidential info. If you did end up marrying a Chinese, Russian, or Iranian woman wouldn't that cause possible complications? Hell if you went with any foreign citizen like a German too.
7. This is also asking for special treatment its ok to be against all ethnostates besides Israel? There are many valid reasons to be against the establishment of a Jewish state in the holy land that aren't from a unique hatered of Jews.
9. The objection to this is obvious.
10. is laughable. So if Israel decided to take out it's neighbors for living space, declare themselves the supreme race, and eliminate those they call less in death camps, we can't say they ae Nazis? All others can be compared to Nazis but not Israel? That's a double standard.
We should not support it.
Also I was wondering if you had the same issues. And I don't care if you deal with it or not, it just means that some responses might be missed.
@Marduk how many times does someone have to lie about what I said before it becomes intentional harassment?
