almostinsane
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National Socialism, I would say, is a spinoff of socialism. It is influenced by socialism and forms its own ideas in agreement and in opposition to it. National Socialism advocates for the control of society to placed in the hands of the native people in the form of the State. The State is the avatar of the people. Thus, all industry must serve the State and obey its orders and directives while it is given autonomy in areas the state is not concerned with. The basic needs of the nation state's people/race must be met and there is a contempt for the free market and capitalists as a class.
In this way, Naziism and socialism are in a murderous dialogue. They believe in prioritizing what they see as "the people". Both want to benefit the people. The difference lies in the Nazis' obsession with race. A Jew can never be converted into a German. They must be destroyed or expelled. Meanwhile, under the socialist states, that is, states that wholly embrace socialism as their governing ideal, former enemies can be converted. But they must convert. If they do not convert, they must be destroyed. See the gulags of the Soviet Union or Maoist struggle sessions. Of course, conversion is not always offered. Sometimes, class enemies are simply destroyed such as the kulaks in Ukraine. The Soviet Union could have easily decided that they merited re-education, but there was nothing really stopping them from starving them to death because seizing their food and possessions was deemed to be in the interest of the Soviet people. This logic can be seen in the aforementioned gulag system. Extermination is not the prime goal. The prime goal is the creation of new socialists. However, no one sheds a tear over the deaths of counterrevolutionaries if any die in the process. It was necessary to create a just and equal society.
This is why the People's Republic of China can easily change from being a socialist state to a fascist one. The Chinese Communist Party under Mao held firm to the defintion of the people as the proletariat masses. The commoners exploited by the rich, bourgeoisie, and/or feudal structure. Yet, as they found that the socalized command economy didn't work, they needed to find a new system. They settled on the corporatist, fascist system they hold to now. Capitalists and bourgeoisie classes must serve the state who emodies the people and provides care and prosperity to the people.
Yet, the definition is changed. The people is the Chinese people, specifically, the Han Chinese, although they pay lip service to protecting minorities. The People's Republic of China is no longer socialist, but it serves as an example of the end result of socialism. To survive, the socialist system of the People's Republic of China needed to become fascist.
In summation: fascism/National Socialism and socialism/Communism are two ideas in a bloody dialogue and the one example of a surviving socialist state became fascist.
In this way, Naziism and socialism are in a murderous dialogue. They believe in prioritizing what they see as "the people". Both want to benefit the people. The difference lies in the Nazis' obsession with race. A Jew can never be converted into a German. They must be destroyed or expelled. Meanwhile, under the socialist states, that is, states that wholly embrace socialism as their governing ideal, former enemies can be converted. But they must convert. If they do not convert, they must be destroyed. See the gulags of the Soviet Union or Maoist struggle sessions. Of course, conversion is not always offered. Sometimes, class enemies are simply destroyed such as the kulaks in Ukraine. The Soviet Union could have easily decided that they merited re-education, but there was nothing really stopping them from starving them to death because seizing their food and possessions was deemed to be in the interest of the Soviet people. This logic can be seen in the aforementioned gulag system. Extermination is not the prime goal. The prime goal is the creation of new socialists. However, no one sheds a tear over the deaths of counterrevolutionaries if any die in the process. It was necessary to create a just and equal society.
This is why the People's Republic of China can easily change from being a socialist state to a fascist one. The Chinese Communist Party under Mao held firm to the defintion of the people as the proletariat masses. The commoners exploited by the rich, bourgeoisie, and/or feudal structure. Yet, as they found that the socalized command economy didn't work, they needed to find a new system. They settled on the corporatist, fascist system they hold to now. Capitalists and bourgeoisie classes must serve the state who emodies the people and provides care and prosperity to the people.
Yet, the definition is changed. The people is the Chinese people, specifically, the Han Chinese, although they pay lip service to protecting minorities. The People's Republic of China is no longer socialist, but it serves as an example of the end result of socialism. To survive, the socialist system of the People's Republic of China needed to become fascist.
In summation: fascism/National Socialism and socialism/Communism are two ideas in a bloody dialogue and the one example of a surviving socialist state became fascist.