I mean the whole point of Jesus was showing up to bring upon a new and mostly less creepy religion, so that people are free from sin and whatnot.
AntiSemitism Bill in the United States
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making one statement to correct a false statement: Jesus didn't make people free from sin. All humans are sinners. Jesus chose to forgive sinners who seek forgiveness through him.
That's somewhat synonymous, given that inevitably you'll get a chance to do so. At that point it's really on you to not make him happy.
mrttao
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... NGL that is really creepy too.
why are people symbolically eating the flesh and blood of christ?
I mean, I know they are crackers and wine, but they CALL it his flesh and blood.
That said, as a jew I find passover to be highly disturbing.
Especially the parts where we are made to chant "blood, fire, and pillars of smoke".
Yea yea, logically the baby slaughter and the blood protection wards should be worse... but somehow reading "they did XYZ" doesn't impact me the same way as the chanting.
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Excrpt... we still have the entirety of the old testament
King Arts
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You do realize that Christian clubs are in a precarious place because of that. So you want to make it harder for them by making it so now they aren't just breaking one rule but two. Listen sometimes rules can be broken or avoided but when one idiotic group keeps passing laws and making the government bigger for no reason but to virtue signal it makes things worse over all.
What was passed recently was not a full on law. It was a rule made by congress giving a DEFINITION of something.
Let me give an example let's say Trump style conservatives come into power the following election and pass a law that defines "Any medical group or persons that has given covid vaccines that cause the patient to die shall be guilty of the crime of murder."
In that case WE don't need to look up the murder law or anything like that to discuss the current definition. We can just discuss the current definition and if we think that quoting the Bible is anti semetic.
What you and other establishment neocons do is actually hide and give cover to real antisemetic things like what @ThatZenoGuy said about Jews being a "blood cult" When you say "Oh being harsh to Israel is antisemtism, Christianity is anti semitism, everything is anti semetism." Then normal people that aren't cucks for Israel will just say Ok fine we are anti semetic so what?
We both know that the ultra woke university administrators would nuke them with just half a rule if they felt like they wanted to. So, either it doesn't count, or they are the sort of Christians you would call heretics.
This isn't making the government bigger, it's turning tool of one big government abuse that is already used against a faction of big government supporters.
And that definition is only relevant in the context of an already existing law on similar stuff.
Which covers a variety of other -isms and -phobias already.
And....*Looks at what Trump snd his EO said*
Wait...is that...is that exactly what this act does? Wierd
And all this act did is establish what Trump did with an EO and made it fact.
Sorry, but all this dies us make it so you can't get federal funding if you have antisemitic activities being hosted by the school.
And no, it dies not include the Bible. It specifically mentions the ethnicity if jews.
So....you can argue it is one ir the ither that did it
King Arts
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Letting rules be made that will allow you to be screwed over later is stupid.
Better to nip this unconstitutional shit now.
Also I have a complaint with the alerts when I hover over it all of the alerts go away, before they only went away after I looked at each new thing.
Is this a new change to the website.
Ok maybe I missed it if Trump did it. But even if he did so what, he isn't God I don't agree with everything he said/did even if he was far better than any other president.
Also what EO aer you talking about.?
And no you are wrong the new law lets a private group define what anti semitism is, that group said being critical of Israel and saying the Jews killed Jesus is anti semitism.
SoliFortissimi
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Nothing and nobody can convince me that Roosevelt's legacy of tyranny, deception, and greed should be perpetuated or condoned by any right thinking man.
Either Roosevelt. Down with the American Aristocracy, down with the Ivy League Soviet.
Either Roosevelt. Down with the American Aristocracy, down with the Ivy League Soviet.
No, anyone on your side there would be screwed a decade plus ago. Not later. In the past.
Good luck with that, and i mean the whole anti discrimination laws, that shit goes back to the 60's.
This is not the thread for tech support.
SoliFortissimi
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In other words, they're uneducated idiots who want to emulate goddamned North Korea. Antisocial bastards that think the only relationship two nations can have is of exploited and exploiter, rather than mutual benefits.
They don't understand where their cheap goods come from, or why the US has more scientists and engineers than any of the third world countries it outsourced dirty jobs to.
Drugs are poison. No matter how much you dilute said poison, it's still poison.
Seriously, you're convincing me that modern Conservatives are just Leftists that hate the more benevolent rhetoric of the Left and want to concentrate only on the parts about cruelty and destruction.
Whatever happened to the Conservatives that beat the Soviet Union and freed the world from communism?
King Arts
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The new law doesen't help us and can be used against Christians, so I have no reason to support it. Both under a constitutionalist view, and a Christian view. Only impotent traitors would cheer this on.
Yes I know that anti discrimination laws came about in the 60's.
So you aren't going to do your job and pass it up the chain unless I post in the tech support thread even if you know there is a problem?
No, that's just you being dishonest about their intent and likely outcomes since they don't worship Friedman's delusions like you do.
You have to resort to hyperbole to argue against the viewpoint.
They understand damn well where the manufacturing base was off-shored to, where the middle-income creating jobs went to, where the lies and delusions of the Wall Street class come from, and who "Friedman's foolishness" conned into shipping the economic might of America overseas because those countries don't have OSHA or the EPA.
No, cannabis has been part of humanity forever, we have an endo-cannabanoid system in our bodies for a reason, and the ban was created by lies and yellow journalism on the part of William Randolf Hearst and Anslinger lying to Congress for racially and profit driven motives.
Try selling the Reefer madness bullshit to the few geriatric fools who still believe this garbage.
And you are convincing me Reaganite's delusions have been the real poison in the GOP actually being useful or actually connecting with people under 50, till Trump came along.
It was the entire US, not just Conservatives, who 'beat' the Soviets, and the Soviet effectively beat themselves via Chernobyl and it's aftermath.
And as we can see via what's happened with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the 'Soviet's' may have been beat, but Imperial Russia was still there under the mask of a 'beaten' foe, even if it didn't have all the USSR's lands.
Yet...the laws have already been on the books since the 60s, with Trump putting the same exact ruling via EO as the act now back in 2019...
Executive Order on Combating Anti-Semitism – The White House
Can you show me in thier definition?
And again, this is nothing new, as the EXACT same thing has been applued to title 6 of the CRA under Trump.
see above
It already could be used against Christians.
Have youread the title 6 of the Civil Rights Act?
The Civil Rights Act
Which the new bill is apart of
I think he means bring it up in the tech support instead of making a derail
For the last fucking time it is not a new law, and the Christians it "can" be used against are already having it used against them anyway since a long time.
So why do you pretend it is not part of one?
Indeed. Especially if you are going to be telling me what my job is. Which is not to try explain your tech issues which i have no idea about to other staff.
SoliFortissimi
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Because random posters on the net are clearly more knowledgeable about economics than Nobel Prize winning economists.
But America's economic might is still here. The US gained many, many billions by offshoring industry to places where they could be done for cheap. It led to a flood of cheaper goods that improved the living standards of American citizens, profits that were reinvested into high tech manufacturing, and tied China to the hip with Wall Street.
Trade works.
As was smallpox.
Remind me, who won back the US from the Communist madness of the Democratic Party? Who defeated the Soviets? Who rebuilt the US Military into the greatest fighting force of the Earth after the betrayal of Vietnam? Who took down the Pro-Crime Democrats?
And now you seriously want to deny that it was the Republican Party and its Conservative policies that won the Cold War......
King Arts
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No they are different. Trumps EO while not great at least they copied the definition that was used and made it their own.
(i) the non-legally binding working definition of anti Semitism adopted on May 26, 2016, by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA), which states, “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities”; and
I can accept a definition that says basically "ill will towards Jews is anti semitism."
What I don't consider ok is the new law which says whatever the IHRA says
What is antisemitism?
With the IHRA working definition of antisemitism, the IHRA built international consensus around an answer to the question, what does antisemitism mean?
holocaustremembrance.com
Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:
- Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
- Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
- Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
- Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
- Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
- Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
- Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
- Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
- Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
- Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
- Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
The holocaust remembrance organization is trying to make a double standard for Jews to receive preferential treatment while these types of actions towards other nations would not be called racist.
3, and 11 Accusing people of being responsible for actions of other people who are part of their group is a thing that is done to more than just Jews. I mean we've had you and Marduk disparage all Muslims/Arabs for the actions of some of them. Either it's ok to judge societies by some individuals when those individual acts are "common" or done by those in power, or it's not. Hell @Bacle wanted to punish and deport all Ethnic Russians back to Russia and hold them responsible for the actions of Putin and the current government of the Russian federation.
6. If someone has citizenship or the possibility to gain easy citizenship in another nation then would it not be prudent to take a closer look. I knew accusations of dual loyalty can be ugly. But you are in the military right? You have to deal with clearances to get confidential info. If you did end up marrying a Chinese, Russian, or Iranian woman wouldn't that cause possible complications? Hell if you went with any foreign citizen like a German too.
7. This is also asking for special treatment its ok to be against all ethnostates besides Israel? There are many valid reasons to be against the establishment of a Jewish state in the holy land that aren't from a unique hatered of Jews.
9. The objection to this is obvious.
10. is laughable. So if Israel decided to take out it's neighbors for living space, declare themselves the supreme race, and eliminate those they call less in death camps, we can't say they ae Nazis? All others can be compared to Nazis but not Israel? That's a double standard.
We should not support it.
Also I was wondering if you had the same issues. And I don't care if you deal with it or not, it just means that some responses might be missed.
Economists are the biggest lairs and grifters in the 'blue collar' classes, outside of the trans-pushers, and mostly just exist to tell boardrooms how to fuck the average joe better for their quarterly earnings report.
I've read Friedman, I know his views, and how detached from the reality of the average person it is.
Fair trade works.
'Free trade' just removes the sensible protections for domestic workers, domestic industry, military industries, makes us reliant on foes for economic input, and tries to pretend that the US populace is 'above' low and middle end work that pays an honest days wage.
It's a delusion of the boardroom/Wall Street class Friedman embodies.
A plant with multiple uses beside recreation is not even comparable to small pox, and treating cannabis the same as smallpox is why people don't take Reaganite's seriously when it comes to the issue.
Cannabis should never have been banned in the first place, and was banned for racist and profit driven reasons used to lie to Congress.
Try your bullshit on someone less educated on the issue, like the geriatric Boomers most Reaganites are.
Yeah, sure, you keep living in the delusion the GOP is the only thing that caused the US to 'win' the Cold War, and pretend the GOP's stupidity, like Reagan's 'War on Drugs' farce, didn't do a lot to hurt US race relations when it introduced the crack cocaine epidemic into inner cities to help CIA slush funds at the cost of the emerging black middle class.
Also, we should have never been in Veitnam to begin with, so the GOP really shouldn't try to tout anything around that war as a positive. The Veitnam War was a betrayal of the American people, and betrayal of allies we had fought besides against Imperial Japan, who just didn't want to be a French colony anymore.
Not alone, and not without help of the liberals like the Beatles, Pink Floyd, and other parts of the 'counter culture' which helped undermine the Soviets at home due to mass popularity by showing the less 'conservative' sides of the US that appealed to Soviet youth.
You feel like you are so desperate to defend Reagan and his vision/view/era of the GOP, because you know that the delusions of pride and economic might Friedman and Reagan sold have been rendered bare lies by time and circumstance of the world, and don't want to admit when you've been sold a decades long grift.
Morphic Tide
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Lobotomies got a Nobel prize, such credentialism is utter fucking horseshit.
The local factories physically cannot spring back up overnight.
A parasitic ultra-minority of corporate managers and their shareholders gained that money, at the expense of the general public who used to get the wages for those jobs.
Except the sizable chunk of entire states rendered unemployed, of course.
No, it was mostly sucked away into securities markets and real estate, the high-tech manufacturing has also ended up mostly overseas.
Still wrong, the Chinese have not hesitated to use it as leverage whenever the opportunity arises and continue to outright ban foreign control of anything.
Until something happens between the countries who, as it turns out, have different interests. Then relying on trade fucks everyone. As we saw with the pandemic kicking off a cascade of shipping issues that are still going.
Phytocannabanoids are cleanly slotting into place with chemicals the body produces itself, undergoing total metabolization, with effects beyond immediate presence so miniscule that any legal action over it begs for absolutely gutting nearly everything about modern society because social media, hookup culture, processed foods, and advertising are provably worse.