raharris1973
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What if all Axis occupied territories and their maritime EEZs from July 15th, 1943 are ISOT to July 15th 1993?
Here are the relevant maps - close enough, maps as of 1 July
European-Mediterranean Theater:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/1943-07-01GerWW2BattlefrontAtlas.jpg
Asia-Pacific Front:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/1943-07-01JapWW2BattlefrontAtlas.jpg
Most relevant deviation, July 15th is five days into Operation Husky, the Allied Invasion and Sicily, and all of 1943 Sicily, including the downtime Allied invading forces and the supporting Allied fleet in Sicilian waters, comes with the island. Battlefront map: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_invasion_of_Sicily#/media/File:Sicilymap2.jpg
On land, for the most part, the boundary between uptime and downtime is at the Axis and Allied forward line of troops or no-man's land in between, so the Axis side is downtime 1943 and the Allied side, or across the border into neutral countries is uptime 1993. The divide continues in a vertical column up through the whole atmosphere and down underground to below the earth's crust. so in the skies over Axis lands, its likely to be majority Axis aircraft overall, but Allied aircraft over Axis airspace make the time travel also. In certain cases of mixed occupation of certain islands, like Sicily and New Guinea, the whole island is the downtime version, Axis and Allied militaries both, and the 1943 civilian populations. So 1993 will get reacquainted with Patton, and depending on his travel schedule, MacArthur.
On land in Europe, the 1943 European Axis borders the 1993 Russian Federation under Boris Yeltsin, which has been hammered by late Soviet stagnation and post-Soviet economic collapse and shock therapy. It also borders with neutral 1993 Sweden under Prime Minister Carl Bildt. What the Axis thinks as neutral , but with NATO obligations in 1993, Turkey under PM Ms. Tansu Ciller, and Spain PM Felipe Gonzalez. Britain's PM is John Major. In the wider neighborhood, Yitzhak Rabin is PM of Israel. The Middle East and North Africa and all Africa and South and Central Asia all have their 1993 populations, infrastructures, and leaders.
An important detail here is that the 1993 French President Mitterand, PM Juppe, inner Cabinet, special forces, navy, Air Force, and intelligence services are not overwritten but relocated to the French Caribbean departments of Guadalupe, Martinique, and Guiana.
British forces in continental Europe as of 1993 are relocated back to the United Kingdom. United States forces in continental Europe as of 1993 are relocated back to the United States. Russian Federation forces located in former Soviet and Warsaw Pact lands are transported to unoccupied parts of the Russian Federation instead of being overwritten. The Dutch monarch, PM, special forces, intelligence services, navy, and Air Force are relocated to the Dutch Caribbean instead of being overwritten, and the same situation obtains for the Danish government and services with Greenland.
In Asia and the Pacific, things work similarly. Countries wholly occupied by Japan are overwritten by their 1943 versions. But Russian Federation forces in South Sakhalin and the Kuriles are merely teleported to the nearest unoccupied parts of the Russian Federation. Burmese forces to the nearest unoccupied parts of Burma. Residual 1993 Indonesian forces exist in southwest Papua. 1993 US forces in Japan (incl. Okinawa) and Korea are relocated back to Hawaii.
In China, the Japanese occupied zone of Manchuria and China Proper is the 1943 version, and that includes any Communist or Nationalist 1943 'behind the lines' base areas, groupings, or operatives. Unoccupied China however, is the 1993 version of the PRC, and the air, ground, and missile strength of the PRC is relocated to unoccupied China. So is the leadership from the Beijing area, including Jiang Zemin and 'retired' Deng Xiaoping, whose only remaining title was chairman of the national contract bridge association. As a bonus for China, the ground and air strength of the Republic of China forces on Taiwan and the offshore islands is also relocated to Sichuan province, as is the ROC leadership, including Lee Teng-hui from Taipei. Both the PRC and ROC navies disappear however.
Outside the Japanese perimeter, Oceania and America are all the 1993 versions. Bill Clinton is POTUS. Fidel Castro leads Cuba.
ASBs, in addition to all this teleporting and ISOT'ing, also bend the laws of physics in a couple other important ways. They prevent any and all man-made nuclear fission and fusion reactors and reactions from happening, rendering all forms of nuclear weapons, nuclear power plants, and nuclear propulsion instantly, and consistently, ineffective. They also completely negate the harmful effects of radioactivity on all living things.
So, how do the big 5 - Clinton, Yeltsin, Major, Jiang Zemin, Mitterand, deal with the sudden surprise appearance of the Axis powers in their midst, with their nuclear tools all suddenly rendered ineffective, and independent minded sovereign states throughout the world from Latin American to Africa, the Middle East, South Asia, and Oceania in place of formerly reliable colonies? How do they deal with the sudden loss of the 1993 continental European and Pacific rim states from the global supply chains and substitute by other means? How do they match their exquisite quality and technology, but numerically small forces against the Axis primitive, but more massive and redundant forces?
Here are the relevant maps - close enough, maps as of 1 July
European-Mediterranean Theater:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/1943-07-01GerWW2BattlefrontAtlas.jpg
Asia-Pacific Front:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/1943-07-01JapWW2BattlefrontAtlas.jpg
Most relevant deviation, July 15th is five days into Operation Husky, the Allied Invasion and Sicily, and all of 1943 Sicily, including the downtime Allied invading forces and the supporting Allied fleet in Sicilian waters, comes with the island. Battlefront map: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_invasion_of_Sicily#/media/File:Sicilymap2.jpg
On land, for the most part, the boundary between uptime and downtime is at the Axis and Allied forward line of troops or no-man's land in between, so the Axis side is downtime 1943 and the Allied side, or across the border into neutral countries is uptime 1993. The divide continues in a vertical column up through the whole atmosphere and down underground to below the earth's crust. so in the skies over Axis lands, its likely to be majority Axis aircraft overall, but Allied aircraft over Axis airspace make the time travel also. In certain cases of mixed occupation of certain islands, like Sicily and New Guinea, the whole island is the downtime version, Axis and Allied militaries both, and the 1943 civilian populations. So 1993 will get reacquainted with Patton, and depending on his travel schedule, MacArthur.
On land in Europe, the 1943 European Axis borders the 1993 Russian Federation under Boris Yeltsin, which has been hammered by late Soviet stagnation and post-Soviet economic collapse and shock therapy. It also borders with neutral 1993 Sweden under Prime Minister Carl Bildt. What the Axis thinks as neutral , but with NATO obligations in 1993, Turkey under PM Ms. Tansu Ciller, and Spain PM Felipe Gonzalez. Britain's PM is John Major. In the wider neighborhood, Yitzhak Rabin is PM of Israel. The Middle East and North Africa and all Africa and South and Central Asia all have their 1993 populations, infrastructures, and leaders.
An important detail here is that the 1993 French President Mitterand, PM Juppe, inner Cabinet, special forces, navy, Air Force, and intelligence services are not overwritten but relocated to the French Caribbean departments of Guadalupe, Martinique, and Guiana.
British forces in continental Europe as of 1993 are relocated back to the United Kingdom. United States forces in continental Europe as of 1993 are relocated back to the United States. Russian Federation forces located in former Soviet and Warsaw Pact lands are transported to unoccupied parts of the Russian Federation instead of being overwritten. The Dutch monarch, PM, special forces, intelligence services, navy, and Air Force are relocated to the Dutch Caribbean instead of being overwritten, and the same situation obtains for the Danish government and services with Greenland.
In Asia and the Pacific, things work similarly. Countries wholly occupied by Japan are overwritten by their 1943 versions. But Russian Federation forces in South Sakhalin and the Kuriles are merely teleported to the nearest unoccupied parts of the Russian Federation. Burmese forces to the nearest unoccupied parts of Burma. Residual 1993 Indonesian forces exist in southwest Papua. 1993 US forces in Japan (incl. Okinawa) and Korea are relocated back to Hawaii.
In China, the Japanese occupied zone of Manchuria and China Proper is the 1943 version, and that includes any Communist or Nationalist 1943 'behind the lines' base areas, groupings, or operatives. Unoccupied China however, is the 1993 version of the PRC, and the air, ground, and missile strength of the PRC is relocated to unoccupied China. So is the leadership from the Beijing area, including Jiang Zemin and 'retired' Deng Xiaoping, whose only remaining title was chairman of the national contract bridge association. As a bonus for China, the ground and air strength of the Republic of China forces on Taiwan and the offshore islands is also relocated to Sichuan province, as is the ROC leadership, including Lee Teng-hui from Taipei. Both the PRC and ROC navies disappear however.
Outside the Japanese perimeter, Oceania and America are all the 1993 versions. Bill Clinton is POTUS. Fidel Castro leads Cuba.
ASBs, in addition to all this teleporting and ISOT'ing, also bend the laws of physics in a couple other important ways. They prevent any and all man-made nuclear fission and fusion reactors and reactions from happening, rendering all forms of nuclear weapons, nuclear power plants, and nuclear propulsion instantly, and consistently, ineffective. They also completely negate the harmful effects of radioactivity on all living things.
So, how do the big 5 - Clinton, Yeltsin, Major, Jiang Zemin, Mitterand, deal with the sudden surprise appearance of the Axis powers in their midst, with their nuclear tools all suddenly rendered ineffective, and independent minded sovereign states throughout the world from Latin American to Africa, the Middle East, South Asia, and Oceania in place of formerly reliable colonies? How do they deal with the sudden loss of the 1993 continental European and Pacific rim states from the global supply chains and substitute by other means? How do they match their exquisite quality and technology, but numerically small forces against the Axis primitive, but more massive and redundant forces?