Black Hammer: A Sietch for the Colonized

FriedCFour

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It sounds like it's fake because it's a clearly impossible venture being set up and run by people with no idea what they're doing. The thing is, that's happened a lot lately. There's that Ranch Fried mentioned, another Ranch with a similar premise a few years back, the CHAZ, and probably a few others.
The Tranch is real tho. But yeah, there’s been many of these communes trying to LARP Catalonia and failing more miserably than they did.
 

History Learner

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The FBI aren't even that stupid.
Like, they are stupid, but not THAT stupid

Nah, they are that fucking stupid. Read up on Ruby Ridge and Waco in the 1990s to get an idea of it. Or, most recently, the "plot" to kidnap the Governor of Michigan, which was literally organized and run by an FBI informant; there's also some evidence that The Base was exactly the same and at least one known FBI informant was at the Capitol on January 6th.
 

Bacle

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I highly, highly doubt this has any glowie issues involved in it.

This is just another, updated attempt at a 'hippie commune' with added wokeness.
 

History Learner

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I highly, highly doubt this has any glowie issues involved in it.

This is just another, updated attempt at a 'hippie commune' with added wokeness.

I'd highly encourage you to review the most recent ads by the U.S. Army and CIA to get an idea of how little differential there is between the institutions of the Government and these people.
 

Bacle

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I'd highly encourage you to review the most recent ads by the U.S. Army and CIA to get an idea of how little differential there is between the institutions of the Government and these people.
I am very well aware about how the CIA and friends have gone for woke advertising/recruitment, aware how they intertwine with the Swamp, and aware how the Pentagon is now a Harvard Faculty Lounge with cruise missiles.

None of which means this attempt by these tankies/hippies is some sort of glowie op.
 

History Learner

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I am very well aware about how the CIA and friends have gone for woke advertising/recruitment, aware how they intertwine with the Swamp, and aware how the Pentagon is now a Harvard Faculty Lounge with cruise missiles.

None of which means this attempt by these tankies/hippies is some sort of glowie op.

Admittedly there is no smoking gun yet, but it is notable a lot of Black Socialists have been saying that Gazi-who has been expelled from other organizations-has the telling signs of being an FBI informant since a year ago.
 

Zachowon

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Nah, they are that fucking stupid. Read up on Ruby Ridge and Waco in the 1990s to get an idea of it. Or, most recently, the "plot" to kidnap the Governor of Michigan, which was literally organized and run by an FBI informant; there's also some evidence that The Base was exactly the same and at least one known FBI informant was at the Capitol on January 6th.
You think I don't know anything about Glowies?
I fucking am one.
I'd highly encourage you to review the most recent ads by the U.S. Army and CIA to get an idea of how little differential there is between the institutions of the Government and these people.
Yeah this definitely is not a glowie OP.
No agency is that stupid
 

Abhorsen

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The reason we know this isn't entrapment is that there is no endgame. The feds do have a budget, and starting a cult in hopes it goes crazy so they can shut it down is much harder than just saying "lets blow stuff up" to a variety of people who don't immediately object to that.

Fed plants aren't that complicated. It's "wanna blow stuff up" in a place where people might be down with that, followed by isolating those who show interest, then seeing how far down the road they can get them to go, finalized by arrest. It's the same story every time, cause it's easy, and it targets exactly who they want to hit: dumb people who want to blow stuff up. Unfortunately, the tactic doesn't work against antifa, who learned from the communist party to be extremely cell centered and also very cagey about who they are exactly.

Also, as a thing about 'glowies' being obvious and stupid: That people think they are everywhere is a win in and of itself for the FBI, as it means the next time an actual extremist starts suggesting bombings, no one is going to do that as they'd figure he's a plant, he'll get ostracized from the group for being a plant, and someone will probably report him in hopes of a payoff. All three of which are wins for not having extremist violence.
 
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LindyAF

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Why would the FBI create a fake leftist group to entrap people? The FBI is on the same team as the leftists, they wouldn’t want to entrap them.

It does happen, there was an FBI informant who after burning his connections to a right wing group tried to cozy up to some DPRK fans and tried to get them to "synthesize anthrax."

Caveat to @Abhorsen's commentary that it isn't always "let's blow stuff up," it can be anything that's illegal and they're likely to get people to go along with. There was a recent guy they entrapped by getting him to buy a gun from them that they described as going "BRRRRT" instead of "pew pew pew," which was an unregistered machine gun, and there was another case where some FBI took some skinheads (who were poor and looking for quick cash) on a ride with them to sell meth to other FBI and got them for that.
 

Abhorsen

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Caveat to @Abhorsen's commentary that it isn't always "let's blow stuff up," it can be anything that's illegal and they're likely to get people to go along with. There was a recent guy they entrapped by getting him to buy a gun from them that they described as going "BRRRRT" instead of "pew pew pew," which was an unregistered machine gun, and there was another case where some FBI took some skinheads on a ride with them to sell meth to other FBI and got them for that.
Yeah, the "let's blow stuff up" is more me joking, but yeah, it's any crime, but the same pattern. They don't want to accidently create something useful for the movement they're infiltrating, but instead be a complete negative.

Think about the worst case scenario for the FBI in the below case:
It does happen, there was an FBI informant who after burning his connections to a right wing group tried to cozy up to some DPRK fans and tried to get them to "synthesize anthrax."
They just all say no, that's stupid.

But the worst case for Black Hammer? They've wasted millions of dollars employing people to write stupid articles for years, probably violated laws on financing programs through use of crowdfunding (which congress actually do care about, as that's their power over the executive branch), helped advance an anti-American cause by giving them a bunch of land, and just ended up minus a whole lot of money sunk into land that's operated by people they want to arrest. It's a bunch of stupidity that in no way fits the FBI's MO.
 

Hlaalu Agent

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Why would the FBI create a fake leftist group to entrap people? The FBI is on the same team as the leftists, they wouldn’t want to entrap them.

Why would the CIA want to poison American citizens with LSD and other worse things? Or sell drugs to fund terrorists? Or support terrorists in general? Or the ATF sell guns to the cartels? Seems like law enforcement and intelligence in the USA has an addiction to ramming forks into sockets- in the metaphorical sense.

And why wouldn't they? Just more targets so that they can justify their jobs.
 

Zachowon

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Why would the CIA want to poison American citizens with LSD and other worse things? Or sell drugs to fund terrorists? Or support terrorists in general? Or the ATF sell guns to the cartels? Seems like law enforcement and intelligence in the USA has an addiction to ramming forks into sockets- in the metaphorical sense.

And why wouldn't they? Just more targets so that they can justify their jobs.
Because the even tje FBI have standards.
LOW ones but they have them
 

Abhorsen

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Why would the CIA want to poison American citizens with LSD and other worse things? Or sell drugs to fund terrorists? Or support terrorists in general? Or the ATF sell guns to the cartels? Seems like law enforcement and intelligence in the USA has an addiction to ramming forks into sockets- in the metaphorical sense.
For each one of these things, there were actual reasons. LSD and other stuff? Other than psychic power testing, it was mostly too see the influences of them on the mind for hopeful use in interrogation or other useful side affects. Cocaine will keep you alert all day for example. They needed to determine if that was useful to give to soldiers to make them more effective, or if it would have problems.

As for terrorists, funding Mujahedeen (as they were then kindly referred to) was instrumental in getting the USSR to fall, as they new that the economy didn't work, and needed to apply constant stressors. It was enormously successful and definitely the right decision, it just had unfortunate effects in the future, that should have been dealt with by Clinton.

As for the ATF, honestly, I sorta see the appeal: You know they have all the guns they could ever want. Giving them more isn't really the issue. In exchange, by tracking where they are found, one can try to trace supply chains and gun running. Now obviously this has flaws, but one can see the rationale.

And together we see the basic problem: good ideas, iffy on the execution.
And why wouldn't they? Just more targets so that they can justify their jobs.
Now Waco? That was (attempted) job justification. But since 9/11, almost no TLA needs job justification anymore.
 

LindyAF

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Just because there are reasons doesn't mean they're anything approaching good reasons or that they are good ideas with poor execution.

Edit: That said maybe this should go to like an Alphabet Agency Overreach thread or something.
 

Captain X

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The ATF gunrunning thing was an obvious attempt to feed into the gun control narrative. Not long before it got started, some idiot politician claimed that most of Mexico's illegally held firearms were coming from the US, and they got fact-checked on it hard. Then, months later, the gun-running program started. I'm guessing there might be a connection there. ;)
 

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