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hyperspacewizard said:
My guy. The dude made the smart play but if life was a story he wouldn’t be an interesting character anymore and that’s the way things are going facts and logic isn’t the natural human way of making sense of the world stories are. This dude was the embodiment of a character an avatar but by breaking away from the path of the character people will lose interest.
So while he will be able to run I don’t know if he’ll be able to win.

The whole situation is the conservative or rights problem in microcosm. The left has hero characters and are fighting a righteous war. The right is that boring kid who won’t play pretend and while the right may be getting some of that back it’s held back by “smart” plays and “rational” arguments.

Living in a society where everyone acts like rational adults with well reasoned arguments is a fantasy we need to embrace the chaos of reality a little more. More Pathos less Logos.
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You do realize being stuck in a felony trial would make it rather hard for him to effectively campaign.

He won despite the minor fines, because he showed how corrupt the local DAs, the hypocrisy of the Dems, and walked away with far less of an 'offense' than the woke mob wanted for him, and had been trying to stick him with for nearly a year now.

This was a minor tactical defeat that can enable a much large victory if he runs for the Senate unencumbered by a pending court case.
 
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Bacle said:
You do realize being stuck in a felony trial would make it rather hard for him to effectively campaign.

He won despite the minor fines, because he showed how corrupt the local DAs, the hypocrisy of the Dems, and walked away with far less of an 'offense' than the woke mob wanted for him, and had been trying to stick him with for nearly a year now.

This was a minor tactical defeat that can enable a much large victory if he runs for the Senate unencumbered by a pending court case.
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Look it’s not about winning the minds of the people it’s about winning their hearts most people don’t think in logic they feel and think in symbols. Him giving up his gun and not taking it to court is going to be perceived as weakness by the average anti woke voter their going to feel demoralized and defeated a bunch will forget about him now the memes are probably already turning against him or just aren’t being made. Minor tatical defeats over and over even if it’s to set up a slam dunk in a theoretical future that doesn’t capture people’s imagination. Even if the tatics and logistic are there if the will and heart ground down it doesn’t matter.

Again this is a microcosm of a bigger issue.

Just for a moment take a step back and try to imagine this guy was a character in a book or movie some form of media and he gave up his weapon took the easy but smart way out. That’s not an inspirational character it doesn’t capture the imagination like when he was standing on his lawn protecting his property. He rose to a height and people built an imagine of him that wasn’t real and instead of trying to live up to that imagine he crushed it.
The left will crow that they won and a lot of the right will forget about him.
 
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hyperspacewizard said:
Look it’s not about winning the minds of the people it’s about winning their hearts most people don’t think in logic they feel and think in symbols. Him giving up his gun and not taking it to court is going to be perceived as weakness by the average anti woke voter their going to feel demoralized and defeated a bunch will forget about him now the memes are probably already turning against him or just aren’t being made. Minor tatical defeats over and over even if it’s to set up a slam dunk in a theoretical future that doesn’t capture people’s imagination. Even if the tatics and logistic are there if the will and heart ground down it doesn’t matter.

Again this is a microcosm of a bigger issue.

Just for a moment take a step back and try to imagine this guy was a character in a book or movie some form of media and he gave up his weapon took the easy but smart way out. That’s not an inspirational character it doesn’t capture the imagination like when he was standing on his lawn protecting his property. He rose to a height and people built an imagine of him that wasn’t real and instead of trying to live up to that imagine he crushed it.
The left will crow that they won and a lot of the right will forget about him.
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The only people he needs to influence are his neighbors, not everyone on the Right.

All the dank meme's in the world won't matter if the people who can actually vote him in are more...old fashioned in their media consumption.

People who built him up as some sort of national political figure put their cart before the horse. He didn't ask to be your hero, he was stuck in a serious legal jam, and is still dealing with the fallout from it.

Far easier to run effectively when you aren't dealing with pending legal issues, and he needs to build goodwill in his own community more than he needs to satisfy the imaginations of people who aren't his voters.
 
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Bacle said:
The only people he needs to influence are his neighbors, not everyone on the Right.

All the dank meme's in the world won't matter if the people who can actually vote him in are more...old fashioned in their media consumption.

People who built him up as some sort of national political figure put their cart before the horse. He didn't ask to be your hero, he was stuck in a serious legal jam, and is still dealing with the fallout from it.

Far easier to run effectively when you aren't dealing with pending legal issues, and he needs to build goodwill in his own community more than he needs to satisfy the imaginations of people who aren't his voters.
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I’m trying to explain an underlying issue this man and his actions to me just perfectly encapsulates the greater problem me talking about memes isn’t about me thinking old people give two craps about them and me talking about warriors and champions isn’t me saying he wanted that. It’s me trying to capture what the greater unconscious is going to see and feel.
It’s his life he can do what he wants I’m not condemning him for what he did but I’m trying to explain how what he did is going to be perceived.

We are well past the point of reason and logic this is a conflict of passion morals and symbols now. Ever little defeat feels horrible now because we are running out of blood apathy is what’s going to let the left win because any time it seems like the right has any kind of champions we get smart plays and criticisms over everything. We talk about the left eating their own which is true but the right seems to have just as crazy standards.

I don’t know if what I’m trying to convey is getting through maybe the metaphors and talk of how most people think of life as a story is to much in lala land.
 
Terthna

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The only people he needs to influence are his neighbors, not everyone on the Right.

All the dank meme's in the world won't matter if the people who can actually vote him in are more...old fashioned in their media consumption.

People who built him up as some sort of national political figure put their cart before the horse. He didn't ask to be your hero, he was stuck in a serious legal jam, and is still dealing with the fallout from it.

Far easier to run effectively when you aren't dealing with pending legal issues, and he needs to build goodwill in his own community more than he needs to satisfy the imaginations of people who aren't his voters.
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All of his political aspirations are built upon that heroic image of him standing against the regressive leftist mob, as well as those wanting to restrict the second amendment. He's not just asking; he's begging to be seen as a hero.
 
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Terthna said:
All of his political aspirations are built upon that heroic image of him standing against the regressive leftist mob, as well as those wanting to restrict the second amendment. He's not just asking; he's begging to be seen as a hero.
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Right yes that something else he stepped into and took advantage of the character that was created for him then betrayed expectations which while smart and logical because of the trial. emotional doesn’t feel or look good
 
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Terthna said:
All of his political aspirations are built upon that heroic image of him standing against the regressive leftist mob, as well as those wanting to restrict the second amendment. He's not just asking; he's begging to be seen as a hero.
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hyperspacewizard said:
Right yes that something else he stepped into and took advantage of the character that was created for him then betrayed expectations which while smart and logical because of the trial. emotional doesn’t feel or look good
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Are either of you in his voting district?

If not, maybe figure out what resonates with them and their concerns before putting your own apsirations for what he was 'supposed to do/be' ahead of the people who can actually vote him in.

He can do the smart thing and be a hero, without needing the hassle of a felony trial hanging over him while campaigning.

The is the problem the Right keeps having since Trump; you all think it will be some amazing leader who saves you, instead of years and years of ground work like the Dems did before Trump even entered the game.

Of course given how compromised our elections are, maybe worrying about this man's political aspirations or long term political planning has been rendered moot.
 
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Bacle said:
Are either of you in his voting district?

If not, maybe figure out what resonates with them and their concerns before putting your own apsirations for what he was 'supposed to do/be' ahead of the people who can actually vote him in.

He can do the smart thing and be a hero, without needing the hassle of a felony trial hanging over him while campaigning.

The is the problem the Right keeps having since Trump; you all think it will be some amazing leader who saves you, instead of years and years of ground work like the Dems did before Trump even entered the game.

Of course given how compromised our elections are, maybe worrying about this man's political aspirations or long term political planning has been rendered moot.
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My guy stop focusing on this guy he’s the symptom of a bigger disease.
People that keep having a chance to make a stand keep not doing so.

I’ve move past this singular material event and was talking about how his actions keep happening over and over and over.

Listen the right as a whole needs to start pushing back instead of making “smart” plays.

I’m not talking about this one guy anymore he’s just basically a metaphor now for why we keep getting salami sliced in the culture war.
 
Terthna

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Bacle said:
Are either of you in his voting district?

If not, maybe figure out what resonates with them and their concerns before putting your own apsirations for what he was 'supposed to do/be' ahead of the people who can actually vote him in.

He can do the smart thing and be a hero, without needing the hassle of a felony trial hanging over him while campaigning.

The is the problem the Right keeps having since Trump; you all think it will be some amazing leader who saves you, instead of years and years of ground work like the Dems did before Trump even entered the game.

Of course given how compromised our elections are, maybe worrying about this man's political aspirations or long term political planning has been rendered moot.
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First off; I'm not Right-wing. You know I'm not Right-wing, and yet you keep lumping me in with them whenever I disagree with you. Stop doing that.

I repeat.

STOP. DOING. THAT.

Secondly; do you even know what any of this guy's policy positions are? Or anything about him that isn't rooted in that one time he and his wife pointed their guns at Antifa? Because I don't.

Thirdly, you're right; considering the current state of our election system, it is rather pointless to be arguing over any given candidate when it's unlikely anyone decent will ever be elected. Then again, this is the internet; arguing over pointless crap is a time-honored tradition here.
 
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So I'm late to the party. What's going on?

The guy and his wife who were pointing their guns at ANTIFA because they were worried about their home being attacked, took a plea bargain from the prosecutor so they get a misdemeanor instead of a felony and they lost their old guns so they bought new ones right? He is also running for Mayor?

Anyway taking the plea bargain was probably smart since he probably just had to pay a fine, not ideal but he did not lose any rights. Hopefully he once he gets into power he will be able to get revenge on the DA and the police. Can mayor's mass fire a police department and hire new guys? Can they pardon people of crimes? Anyway conservatives don't need to be martyrs they need to see who their enemies are, and who the pieces on the board are, they need to remove pieces that are not loyal to them, and then replace those police or military members with loyal people and then use those people against the enemy politicians.
 
Terthna

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King Arts said:
So I'm late to the party. What's going on?

The guy and his wife who were pointing their guns at ANTIFA because they were worried about their home being attacked, took a plea bargain from the prosecutor so they get a misdemeanor instead of a felony and they lost their old guns so they bought new ones right? He is also running for Mayor?

Anyway taking the plea bargain was probably smart since he probably just had to pay a fine, not ideal but he did not lose any rights. Hopefully he once he gets into power he will be able to get revenge on the DA and the police. Can mayor's mass fire a police department and hire new guys? Can they pardon people of crimes? Anyway conservatives don't need to be martyrs they need to see who their enemies are, and who the pieces on the board are, they need to remove pieces that are not loyal to them, and then replace those police or military members with loyal people and then use those people against the enemy politicians.
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He's said he's going to run for a seat in the Senate.
 
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Terthna said:
First off; I'm not Right-wing. You know I'm not Right-wing, and yet you keep lumping me in with them whenever I disagree with you. Stop doing that.

I repeat.

STOP. DOING. THAT.

Secondly; do you even know what any of this guy's policy positions are? Or anything about him that isn't rooted in that one time he and his wife pointed their guns at Antifa? Because I don't.

Thirdly, you're right; considering the current state of our election system, it is rather pointless to be arguing over any given candidate when it's unlikely anyone decent will ever be elected. Then again, this is the internet; arguing over pointless crap is a time-honored tradition here.
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You identify as part of the Left, I get it.

Do you get that said post was aimed at more than just you, and was partly a general statement about the Right and it's current status?
 
Terthna

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You identify as part of the Left, I get it.

Do you get that said post was aimed at more than just you, and was partly a general statement about the Right and it's current status?
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I get it; it just seems like I'm being ignored.
 
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Terthna said:
I get it; it just seems like I'm being ignored.
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No, you are not being ignored.

But the fact is the majority of people who come here and read this forum are on the Right, and hyperspacewizard definitely is, which is why I said what I said.

I do not feel the need to add 'and our few Lefties' to it, because people from the Left aren't the ones who need to hear what I said, because they already know that it is a weakness of the Right.
 
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Backlash against BLM (which is a terrorist organization in my opinion), the Woke Culture & riots will give the GOP a huge boost in the 2022 Midterms.
 
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