For that, the USA would essentially need to start the whole operation by establishing a military governor, colonial style, and don't bother with the charade of Afghan democracy and self-governance. But we all know that the US political class, media elites, nor any western politicians and UN officials could not stomach such a way to do things. Even if it worked. Especially if it worked.
The War in Afghanistan
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History Learner
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If you want to criticize him for the evacuation, sure, I get that. But let's be frank, as early as 2009/2010 it was increasingly obvious what the end result would be so the fact they have had no planning for this contingency despite almost a decade's heads up-as well as the fact our intelligence agencies were so incredibly fucking wrong on everything this year alone-I don't see it as well advised. Blame Bush for getting us into this mess, Obama and Trump for keep us in it.
I'm seeing far too many takes, however, that Afghanistan was lost solely because of Biden. There's a difference between "we screwed the evacuation" and "we lost the war". Hell, I've seen Boomers argue Trump destroyed the Taliban (?) when he was President and they suddenly came back from the dead to win this year rather than this being the culmination of almost a decade of planning and attrition warfare on the ANSDF.
Oh I blame Bush and Obama plenty. Trump was planning to pull out of Afghanistan this year himself if he had won. The Taliban would have still taken over once we left, but I don't know how different his plans were to Biden..but I do know Biden's plan was an absolute botch job, because I'm watching it play out.
So I don't really blame Trump. He was set to get the fuck out of there before Biden took over and fucked it up. I can't say if Trump's plan was better, but I can say that Biden's plan was shit.
Hmmm..let's pull 3,500 troops out BEFORE we are fully evacuated. OK, now that everyone is watching, lets send 6,000 troops back in so it looks like were doing something.
Sobek
Disgusting Scalie
Exactly. Absolute genius fucking strategy. This is the sort of shit mistake I would expect from some armchair general RP on a forum like this that gets called out by other armchair generals roleplayers before it is added to the story, not ACTUAL FUCKING CAREER MILLITARY PERSONAL!
I guess they were too busy reading about White Rage and CRT to care. Like seriously, what sort of shit plan was this?
Chaos Marine
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"The buck stops with me..." says Biden after blaming everyone else and then leaves without taking any questions.
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I feel like they've planned this like they plan their domestic policy. There's a survey out there somewhere in the admin where this course of action scored remarkably well...
Terthna
Professional Lurker
One wonders what the heck is going on in the Biden administration. We know he's not actually calling the shots; but this was such a boneheaded decision, I'm struggling to think of what purpose botching the withdrawal from Afghanistan serves. Maybe the establishment really is just that incompetent; wouldn't be the first time aspiring dictators shot themselves in the foot due to their own arrogance.
It's one hell of a distraction from the trillion dollar fleecing were getting.
Whoever is pulling strings doesn't care if their puppet burns up. Its all about the next play.
sillygoose
Well-known member
The fleecing is already over as a far as Afghanistan goes, but this might actually call attention to it. Really though it seems this is more about reorienting towards the Pacific theater, as China has grown much more powerful since we invaded Afghanistan and is now apparently poised to take Taiwan if not potentially South Korea depending on whether they were interested in seizing control over the bulk of the world's semi-conductor industry.
I guess the powers that be are getting worried at just how weakened we've become. Its actually particular concerning given how horrible the last military publication was about the state of our defense industry given just how much we've outsourced to China and other countries that would be vulnerable to interdiction in the Pacific (South Korea and Japan).
Frankly I think the rot is so very deep that we're actually much more vulnerable than anyone at the top realized and its dawning on them that the giant fleecing of the GWOT ($6.4 Trillion, 7,000+ military deaths, 30,000+ suicides) has actually crippled the nation as well as military, so now they're playing end-stage Roman Republic type games.
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sir_fire
The ASEAN Nightmare
Nothing as "noble" as that, it was for the opium. Why do you think there are so many Americans on painkillers and why were they enabled?
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
The buck does stop with the president. He could've followed the withdrawal plan and it wouldn't be a rout for the remaining foreigners and anything else will be on the responsibility of the current Afghan government or he could have continued the forever war when he's been tearing down the previous president's policy just like the previous president tore down the previous president's policy.
Instead that cluster fuck happened.
Airedale260
Well-known member
Possible MAGA hat sighted in Kabul?
Honestly wouldn't surprise me if that was Ghani's office and Trump or someone gave him the hat as a gift or something.
In fact I think Mrs. Ghani is actually a U.S. citizen?
Here's Biden's speech on Afghanistan.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Idiot bitch.