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WolfBear

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Buba said:
Gleefuly rubs hands in Russian - "Now Russia can into space" ... :)

With Putin's knowledge, Russia wins the Manchurian War (@Zyobot cruely timed the ISOT to the tail end of the war). This does not take much - by mid year Japan will be running on financial fumes, hence "not making further mistakes" and "waiting Japan out", with no 1905 Revolution (Putin knows what NOT to do, what to do*, and whom to arrest/kill) - are enough. Kicking Japan out of Korea will take some effort, though.

Trotski, Lenin, Stalin, Zinoviev, Kirov, Molotov etc. all are dead very quickly. Childhood heroes or not, they are mad dogs and a threat to him.

Changes from 1905 onward are so huge that simply impossible to predict.
Like there could be a World War in 1913, resulting from the 1st Balkan War - and a World War which Russia would win - if Putin wants this to happen.
But will he?
I'm not Putin so I can't say :)

To avoid unrest he will give some measure of democracy. Maybe allow limited representation like in the UK?

Russia will get the Bomb in the (late) 1930s (many scientific discoveries have to be made for that to happen).

Vlad will manage the economy better - he will boost the GDP growth rate (already high) even further and Russia will equal/surpass Germany inside a decade. Not a high bar, considering that in OTL the two were within 10% of one another in size (but Russia had some 2,5 times the population).

Pretty much results in a "Russian Century".
Like I said - the sky is the limit :)

BTW - Putin is a Leningrad boy - there will be no moving of the capital to Moscow.
* - like not firing at Opon's delegation, but maybe walking out and personaly receiving the petition instead
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I also see the Pale of Settlement being abolished as soon as reasonably possible. For a Russian leader, Putin is actually pretty friendly to the Jews. Though he might also support Zionism as a way of getting the more Russophobic elements among Russian Jewry to emigrate. Of course, having them emigrate to the US would also be another option.
 
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WolfBear

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Zyobot said:
'19th Century Nazis'.

They don't necessarily have to be German, mind you. But they should probably still keep the totalitarianism and genocidally Eurocentric inclinations, with their Fuhrer equivalent being a murderous maniac along the lines of a certain Austrian minor who's far too young to take public office.
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I suppose that you could have some absolutist Russian Tsar become influenced by proto-Black Hundreds ideology and subsequently decide to deport Russian Jews en masse to Siberia. Would that work for this?

Mass murder would probably be going too far, though a lot (20%? maybe even more) of the deported Jews will likely die due to the poor conditions that they will have to endure as a result of their forced deportation. Of course, the number of deaths could actually be much higher than 20% if this is going to be done in the pre-railroad era. Then we're essentially having all Russian Jews go on death marches to Siberia--quite a horrifying sight! This would, of course, make Russia and its Tsar an absolute pariah in the eyes of the international community, but it would also be quite proto-Nazi and would thus fulfill your challenge here. :(
 
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WolfBear

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Bassoe said:
Think of it like this, say we got an ISOT of americans from 2121. We ask them the obvious question of "can you please share technologies sufficient to let us defeat the corporatocracy" and are refused, with our descendants claiming we should be able to team up with our current enemies based upon our shared humanity against a greater enemy in the form of the tabbyistians or something.
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Honestly, I'd ask them for a list of all of the people who have been verified to have lived to age 110+ between right now and 2121. I want to see if anyone reached age 125+, let alone without any successful anti-aging technology, and whether any males have lived to age 120+.
 
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WolfBear

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Zyobot said:
Alright, thanks.

'Xi Jinping (2024) SI To Joseph Stalin (1924)'.
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He doesn't purge the Soviet military in 1937-1938 and is also much more prepared for Operation Barbarossa in 1941, with him doing defense in depth. And he also deports all Soviet Jews en masse to the interior of the Soviet Union prior to the start of Operation Barbarossa so that they won't get murdered.

Speaking of which, if we're talking about 1924, then he could tell the German Communists to ally with the German SPD in 1932-1933 in order to create a stable parliamentary government and thus block Hitler's rise to power.
 
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TheRomanSlayer said:
"Earlier Death of Stalin"

I wrote a TL about Stalin dying in October of 1945 (the closest thing to an early death of Stalin), and the ensuing power struggle that ended with Anastas Mikoyan becoming his successor. That was the last TL I wrote on AH.com before my ban (thank goodness for that, since it's clear that AH.com has since become a left-wing infested hellhole), and that I never got around to finishing it.
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You can finish it on here, can't you?
 
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WolfBear

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Zyobot said:
‘Napoleonic Europe Reacts To The World Wars’.
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"What do you mean some German leader murdered all of the Jews? German Jews were beginning to assimilate and 150 years later, in spite of all of the progress that has been made in this regard, some German leader just decided to murder them? And the German people actually let him do this?" :(
 
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WolfBear

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Zyobot said:
Alright, then.

'Operation Cherry Blossoms At Night Happens'. Maybe Truman declines to drop the bombs for whatever reason, causing the War in the Pacific to drag on for a few more months. Which is, presumably, enough time to carry out the operation--only for Little Boy and Fat Man to be dropped in retaliation anyway, never mind some brutal additional reprisals by American forces.
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Expect Emperor Hirohito to literally get hanged in such a scenario. If American boys' blood is shed to a huge extent in a US invasion of Japan, Americans are going to be VERY angry!
 
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WolfBear

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Zyobot said:
'Different Political Alignments of US States'.

By which I mean the Solid South staying Democratic and/or most of New England remaining Republican, though we can easily discuss smaller-scale alternative political leanings by state (i.e. Vermont keeping up its unbroken Red streak well after 1964).
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Have people universally accept Republicans' claims that the Democrats are the real racists! ;)

But more seriously, have Hughes win in 1916, followed by a Democratic 1920s, followed by a Republican version of FDR in 1932 and a Republican version of the New Deal. Once civil rights will come, it will be the GOP and not the Democrats who will be leading it, thus ensuring that blacks will remain a reliable GOP voting bloc and ensuring that Democrats retain control of the Solid South.
 
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WolfBear said:
"What do you mean some German leader murdered all of the Jews? German Jews were beginning to assimilate and 150 years later, in spite of all of the progress that has been made in this regard, some German leader just decided to murder them? And the German people actually let him do this?" :(
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Yeah, safe to say that as reviled as Napoleon was, it's ultimately a certain Austrian-born dictator who may not be born ITTL who deserves that hatred most of all. Hope Europe eases up on the anti-Semitism after learning about the Holocaust, though there's still much room for them to learn the wrong lessons and misuse the "gift" they've been given. :(
 
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WolfBear

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Zyobot said:
Alright, then. Thanks for the input, though seeing as I haven't closely followed Deep Space 9, I may have to watch more episodes and behind-the-scenes commentary there.

'Adolf Hitler Develops Heinrich Himmler's Beliefs'. Which can basically be summed up as an unhealthy fascination with the occult and even more loony racial theories than IOTL (e.g., the Aryan race originating from Atlantis). He doesn't need to be so squeamish about blood and gore, though (personal hang-ups that affect his political views are beyond the scope of my PoD).
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Maybe Adolf Hitler develops plans to retire and personally become a Wehrbauer himself after a Nazi victory in WWII in this TL? :

Wehrbauer - Wikipedia

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And also Hitler's sexual tastes become more normal?
 
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WolfBear

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Zyobot said:
Yeah, safe to say that as reviled as Napoleon was, it's ultimately a certain Austrian-born dictator who may not be born ITTL who deserves that hatred most of all. Hope Europe eases up on the anti-Semitism after learning about the Holocaust, though there's still much room for them to learn the wrong lessons and misuse the "gift" they've been given. :(
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Napoleon doesn't strike me as being too bad for his time, does he?
 
Zyobot

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WolfBear said:
Napoleon doesn't strike me as being too bad for his time, does he?
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Don't think so, though my understanding is that the rest of Europe feared and hated him for all his conquering. (My knowledge of the Napoleonic Wars is rusty, unfortunately.)
 
Zyobot

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'Dwight Eisenhower Wins by Reaganite Margins in 1952'.

By which, I mean the Electoral College ratio being in the ballpark of 489-49. (I assume the popular vote would be more lopsided than it was for Reagan in 1980, though.)
 
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History Learner said:
Hitler listens to Raedar, and does the Mediterranean Strategy in 1941. Pressure the Turks into an accord, and then use them as a base from which to support Vichy Syria, the Iraqi uprising and to support Iran diplomatically in nationalizing the oil industry. Between that and the additional air resources to force Malta under and additional logistics to Rommel, the British position in the Middle East will collapse.
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Looks good in hindsight, but without hindsight, Hitler felt that he could win big in the Soviet Union in 1941, in which case 1942 could be a mopping-up year and 1943 could be a Mediterranean focus year, I would presume.

It's most rational to go for the biggest prize first, if you think that you can actually get it. Your calculations might, of course, be incorrect, but that's life. Go big or go home, as they say.

Zyobot said:
'Dwight Eisenhower Wins by Reaganite Margins in 1952'.

By which, I mean the Electoral College ratio being in the ballpark of 489-49. (I assume the popular vote would be more lopsided than it was for Reagan in 1980, though.)
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Adlai Stevenson is caught cheating on his wife before the election?
 
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WolfBear

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Zyobot said:
'1972 Election If Hubert Humphrey Wins In 1968'. Preferably without Tricky Dick's sabotage being revealed, so that Humphrey can't keep riding on a tide of anger that kneecaps the GOP for the next few election cycles.
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HHH wins reelection, of course--possibly handily, to boot. This is especially true if South Vietnam does not fall yet.

"Have a Great Migration of at least a couple hundred million South Asians to the West (including Eastern Europe and Russia) between 1900 and 2100. The PoD for this is no later than January 1, 1914."
 
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WolfBear said:
Adlai Stevenson is caught cheating on his wife before the election?
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I was actually thinking of having Truman hang on by a thread in the 1952 primaries, before going on to face Ike in the general election and lose in humiliating fashion.

(At that point, I wonder if he'd privately confide that he'd have been better served dropping out or being defeated at the DNC, to spare himself the humiliation of 1932 in reverse.)
 
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Atarlost said:
Obama didn't have enough history to be elected on his positions or accomplishments. He was only halfway through his freshman term as senator. The only explanation for Obama winning the primary was that he was a black person selling expiation for imagined racial guilt.

That the white guilt and black racist constituencies were big enough to push him from what should have been no delegates at all based on his lack of experience to victory in the primary suggests it was also large enough to swing the general election when added to the "would vote for a glass of water if it had a 'D' next to it" constituency. The issues didn't matter and thus Iraq and the recession didn't matter. Anyone who was going to vote based on issues was already looking at Obama's record and figuring he needed a lot of seasoning.

Obama's position was hollow because he did not have slave ancestors. He was lily white on his mother's side and present day west African (and not Liberian) on his father's: the people who won their tribal wars and sold the losers to white slave traders, ie. fellow exploiters not victims. But because the racial guilt idea is deeply racist only an American black with roots going back to before the Civil War could have said that and had the people who bought into racial guilt listen.
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I'll tell you why exactly I myself supported Obama in 2008. It wasn't because he was black or because his father was Kenyan or because he previously lived in Indonesia. Rather, it was for these reasons:

1. I wanted someone fresh and new in the White House, with me wanting change.
2. I was sick and tired of only Bushes and Clintons controlling either the US Presidency or the US Vice Presidency for the previous 28 years (1981-2009). This is why I was also strongly opposed to having Obama choose Hillary as his VP pick. Because then we could have had a whopping 44 years of non-stop Bushes and Clintons as either US President or US Vice President (1981-2025, assuming 8 years as VP for Hillary and then another 8 years as President for Hillary).
 
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