Russian-Ukrainian-Polish Eternal Friendship Thread
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SchrodingersWehraboo
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Putin invoking historical reality is like nonsensical what-if that would never happen? There's fumbling an argument and then there's not even trying.
I mean, I guess Poland and Lithuania should take all of eastern Europe from Belerus to Ukraine.
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
That's pushing it. It's more like Serbians calling parts of Kosovo Serbian, seeing as Ukraine, believe it or not, is a Russian sub-culture.
Better yet,
All of former Yugoslavia should be freely invaded by Serbia
Agent23
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Ukraine is a recently invented state that was far smaller than what it now claims.
Putin saying that it should have Lenin's name on it is a lot closer to the truth than any of the western cheer-leading and Ukrainian nazi apologia.
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
As if that will ever happen... besides that, I highly doubt that Russia plans to completely annex Ukraine. Puppet them? more than likely, but a commplete annexation? Nah G.
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
TBH I can live with Russia getting swole/taking land formerly inhabited by the Russian Empire/Soviet Union. What I care about is China.
Agent23
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Russia will have 3 pipelines to China soon, and they are allies in all but name.
Thing is, Putin was moderately pro-Euro integration when he started all this up until the Euromeidan incident, thank Poland, the Baltics, Sweden, the UK and the various chickenhawk establishment drones, neocucks and neolibs for that.
The same people who had you fight a pointless war in Afghanistan for 20 years and who achieved jack shit on that front.
IMO a number of them must be working for China.
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
More 'you scratch my back I scratch yours' kind of speel. As it has been said in this thread, China isn't all that thrilled with what a Russian Ukraine would mean.
Also, the War in Afghanistan wasn't pointless, now of course It was after five years, but after that? then I can agree with you. At most a quick five years of fuck shit up then outta dodge we go. Iraq was and still is a pointless endeavor for America.
Floridaman
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Just watched the first part, and yeah no real sanctions are in play. Hence the article I shared yesterday which basically said Russia has won this, and actually recommended investing in Russian firms like gazprom, and their etf.
Agent23
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I will wait a week personally, there are a lot of levels of loonietoons in the west and in Ukraine, they just might provide another buying opportunity.
Besides, the explosion might have been in part due to urgent short covering, also I am pretty sure that many in Russia and China would have seen the dips as a buying opportunity
Agent23
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Ukraine actually interfered with Chinese acquisitions, like a factory for turbines China really wanted.
They have no love for Zelensky, IMO.
For the neocons and neolibs it most certainly wasn't, they made huge profits building massively overpriced stuff over there.
The Wrong Enemy: America in Afghanistan, 2001-2014 documents the results of the grift quite well.
There is also Biden's bro's construction business.
Better yet, it would be like UK claiming that Americans are all Englishmen with a recently invented country who forgot about it due to being indoctrinated with crazy ideas about freedom, not to mention foreign interference, and they should be returned to the crown where they rightfully belong.
They have been rotating reservists through service on the lines with the separatist republics, where skirmishing often happens. Which is some combat experience for sure, even if not much.
And then there are veterans of the 2014-2015 war.
Agent23
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There were loyalist Americans, many of them were forcibly yeeted out or otherwise repressed, and if the British had pushed harder during the war of 1812 I think they would have reintegrated the colonies successfully.
Also even back then there were Dutch and German settlers,too,and Spanish influence in Florida IIRC, and we are not talking about the whole of the USA,more like NY and that other thing farther up,Maine,was it,joining Canada after a crisis.
Me and @Terthna spoke about it a few posts back.TL;DR the British were fucking American industry massively and contrary to popular belief maybe only 5% were strongly pro-independence and 5% strongly against it.
Also,you forgetting the elephant in the room,which is the whole taxation without representation thing.
Also,Russia did not colonize what is now Eastern Ukraine,it was part of the continuous Russian state for centuries and Kievan Rus started out there.
They also tried drafting women without much success,male draftees are not really interested in fighting, apparently.
Now, that the DPR and LPR have official backing, and access to Russian weapons I kinda doubt enthusiasm levels will spike among Ukrainians.
Why go out ad get shot when you can claim refugee status and free shit in Germany, or get a better-paying job in virtually any country in Europe, Russia included.
A lot of Ukrainian industrial workers for example, are in Russia building ships and other stuff they were previously making in Ukraine.
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Floridaman
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Some info on those sanctions, as predicted. They Are minor mostly on things that were already sanctioned so no effect.
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www.reuters.com
Explainer: Western sanctions on banks only scratch surface of Fortress Russia
The United States, the European Union and Britain announced new sanctions on Russia on Tuesday after Moscow's recognition of two separatist regions in Ukraine as independent entities.
www.reuters.com