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And an American can never be Chinese.

I can't go to Mongolia and claim to be a descendant of the Great Khan.

That would be presumptuous and ignorant of me.

Sure I can dress up as a Mongol and do re-enactments, but I will never be a Mongolian.
 

Senor Hortler

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And an American can never be Chinese.

I can't go to Mongolia and claim to be a descendant of the Great Khan.

That would be presumptuous and ignorant of me.
Exactly, to deny a racial heritage is to deny all heritage. It's no different than burning artwork or forbidding language.
 
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Eventually races and cultures change and diverge, and mix and even die. But this is(ideally) a process which takes place over a very very long time. And is not imposed externally.

No one argues that cultures should or remain static, snow globes frozen in time. Each generation changes it but a little. But there is a difference in the gradual change of a culture(say England in 900 AD and England in 1800 AD) and the destruction of a culture.
 
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Well there is religion. But that is a far more broad category than race or ethnicity.
 

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that transsexuality upholds gender norms that the left wants to tear down and is so ironically conservative
This is so true. The LGBT rights, specifically marriage and legal transitions, are all basically conservative. Both are attempts just to fit in with the outside society.
And an American can never be Chinese.

I can't go to Mongolia and claim to be a descendant of the Great Khan.

That would be presumptuous and ignorant of me.

Sure I can dress up as a Mongol and do re-enactments, but I will never be a Mongolian.
But the reverse is possible!

Uniquely, and I think a really cool thing about America, is that anyone can become American by immigrating (legally) and adopting the values. It's one of the reasons America's so great. It isn't a country based on race, but on shared values.
 

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@DirtbagLeft the point you seem to be intentionally ignoring is that transsexuality upholds gender norms that the left wants to tear down and is so ironically conservative; so transgenderism is a completely nonsensical concept separate from transsexuality which was created by the left to enforce ideological compliance. You yourself made statements—like the difficulty of getting surgery or that HRT is banned for children—which have been false for years thanks to a transgenderist ideology which denies dysphoria and biological mediated identification of transsexuality.
So as someone who is a gender abolitionist you apparently don't understand the difference between the objective and the strategy used to achieve the objective so allow me to explain it to you. Gender and sex are memetically tied together and dislodging them as it is with dislodging all false beliefs within a society is difficult. Look at how long it took the wider cultures to accept the earth was not flat. People still believe the earth was created in seven days. As to saying the left wing wants to tear down gender norms I wish that were true. Libtards and Terfs like gender norms and want to preserve them. If you mean leftists then yes. Agreed. Deconstructing gender norms however isn't straight forward or easy and it must be done from within the current cultural framework. If it were not for the existence of degenerate reactionaries then things would be much simpler. As it stands however ironically by binary trans individuals existing and gaining wider visibility this begins to force people to question what it means to be a woman and what it means to be a man. This allows for conversations which deconstruct faulty logic and really examine the question beyond the 13 year old understanding of "Bigger peepee = me more man".

As to the distinction between transgender and transsexual (I have no idea how ism is supposed to modify the word transgender) it is useful in that one indicates medical intervention while the other does not. HRT is not actually banned for children and I would oppose doing so as HRT is used to treat a wide variety of things not all of them related to trans. Unfortunately sex reassignment surgery is not banned either although I would very much like it if it was. While it is much more rare than it used to be sexual reassignment surgery is still preformed on infants who are born intersex. In both cases you are either stupid, ignorant, or lying. I don't care to find out which. The reason why trans children are not given HRT and sex reassignment surgery is because it is important to ensure that the individual is in fact trans and that if they have dysphoria to determine what the right treatment is. Medically dysphoria can present itself in a variety of ways and to different extents. For example top surgery may be all that is required in order to alleviate the dysphoria.

As to your nonsense incoherent statement about the left attempting to distinguish between transgender and transsexual in order to force ideological compliance. How exactly is this supposed to enforce ideological compliance? I love me a good conspiracy theory so do share. Nothing in the official literature of psychology, or sociology, or in leftist literature distinguishes between transgender and transexual. It's a tool to make an arbitrary distinction between trans with dysphoria and trans without dysphoria so that smooth brained individuals such as yourself might grow a few wrinkles.
 
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So as someone who is a gender abolitionist you apparently don't understand the difference between the objective and the strategy used to achieve the objective so allow me to explain it to you. Gender and sex are memetically tied together and dislodging them as it is with dislodging all false beliefs within a society is difficult. Look at how long it took the wider cultures to accept the earth was not flat. People still believe the earth was created in seven days. As to saying the left wing wants to tear down gender norms I wish that were true. Libtards and Terfs like gender norms and want to preserve them. If you mean leftists then yes. Agreed. Deconstructing gender norms however isn't straight forward or easy and it must be done from within the current cultural framework. If it were not for the existence of degenerate reactionaries then things would be much simpler. As it stands however ironically by binary trans individuals existing and gaining wider visibility this begins to force people to question what it means to be a woman and what it means to be a man. This allows for conversations which deconstruct faulty logic and really examine the question beyond the 13 year old understanding of "Bigger peepee = me more man".

As to the distinction between transgender and transsexual (I have no idea how ism is supposed to modify the word transgender) it is useful in that one indicates medical intervention while the other does not. HRT is not actually banned for children and I would oppose doing so as HRT is used to treat a wide variety of things not all of them related to trans. Unfortunately sex reassignment surgery is not banned either although I would very much like it if it was. While it is much more rare than it used to be sexual reassignment surgery is still preformed on infants who are born intersex. In both cases you are either stupid, ignorant, or lying. I don't care to find out which. The reason why trans children are not given HRT and sex reassignment surgery is because it is important to ensure that the individual is in fact trans and that if they have dysphoria to determine what the right treatment is. Medically dysphoria can present itself in a variety of ways and to different extents. For example top surgery may be all that is required in order to alleviate the dysphoria.

As to your nonsense incoherent statement about the left attempting to distinguish between transgender and transsexual in order to force ideological compliance. How exactly is this supposed to enforce ideological compliance? I love me a good conspiracy theory so do share. Nothing in the official literature of psychology, or sociology, or in leftist literature distinguishes between transgender and transexual. It's a tool to make an arbitrary distinction between trans with dysphoria and trans without dysphoria so that smooth brained individuals such as yourself might grow a few wrinkles.
The sheer shameless degeneracy of this post is just wow.

People like you are dangerous.
 

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@DirtbagLeft do all Muslims need to die for progress to be had?
No all Muslims need to be dead for progress to be had.

I mean they are just justifiably upset and downtrodden brown people so no.

That's not what he would say, but is what he thinks.

As to what I think is that people are a product of their environment. Conservatives be they Muslims or Christians are by nature of being conservative moral degenerates. They are both morally degenerate and equally a threat with the exception that Christians are a more immediate threat to me. Both however are members of a death cult that wants the world to end and both uphold evil and repugnant philosophies.

As to the justifiably of their upsetness I don't care. Not I don't care to say, but rather I don't care if they are or are not justified. Their behavior is grotesque and disgusting and I want to see their culture eradicated as much as I want to see Christian cultures eradicated.

In terms of the color of their skin again I don't give a fuck. I know its really hard to believe because skin color is so important to you but it means less than nothing to me.

As to them being downtrodden. Intellectually I care I guess. People are a product of their environment so by analyzing and modifying their environment we can get them to stop doing bad shit. My primary concern is ensuring an environment where some nutjob doesn't get a nuke and try to bring about the end of the world in order to bring their god into the world. That applies to Jews, Christians, and Muslims equally.
 

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The sheer shameless degeneracy of this post is just wow.

People like you are dangerous.
If you actually understood what the word degeneracy meant then I might be offended... Oh wait. No. No I wouldn't. I would however ask you to defend that statement. But we both know you are incapable of doing so which means there is no point in bothering to ask.

"People like you are dangerous"
I don't think I ever denied that. I am very very dangerous to your degenerate culture and the irrational feels based arguments it engenders. The difference between the left and the right is that the right lies. The left on the other hand will lay out exactly what it is doing and why because we don't fear you or your inability to stop us. This is a fight that goes back to before Aristarchus and slowly we have pushed you barbarian hoards farther and farther outside the gates. You would thrust us back into a new darkage if you could but we won't let that happen.
 

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The left on the other hand will lay out exactly what it is doing and why because we don't fear you or your inability to stop us.
But they’ve always failed and failed miserably against heroes like Pinochet and the Spanish Nationalists. Even their biggest win has been overturned and now they have Putin. The neoliberal globalists are the ones winning if anyone is.
 
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If you actually understood what the word degeneracy meant then I might be offended... Oh wait. No. No I wouldn't. I would however ask you to defend that statement. But we both know you are incapable of doing so which means there is no point in bothering to ask.

"People like you are dangerous"
I don't think I ever denied that. I am very very dangerous to your degenerate culture and the irrational feels based arguments it engenders. The difference between the left and the right is that the right lies. The left on the other hand will lay out exactly what it is doing and why because we don't fear you or your inability to stop us. This is a fight that goes back to before Aristarchus and slowly we have pushed you barbarian hoards farther and farther outside the gates. You would thrust us back into a new darkage if you could but we won't let that happen.
What?

The USSR failed. China is no longer communist. Donald Trump is president, and the world hasn't ended.

I want whatever hashish your smoking, it must be really good.

But they’ve always failed and failed miserably against heroes like Pinochet and the Spanish Nationalists. Even their biggest win has been overturned and now they have Putin. The neoliberal globalists are the ones winning if anyone is.
Its a narrative they tell themselves again and again. A false one. But the left is best at lying to itself after all.
 

DirtbagLeft

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What?

The USSR failed. China is no longer communist. Donald Trump is president, and the world hasn't ended.

I want whatever hashish your smoking, it must be really good.
So you are incapable of demonstrating your claim that I am degenerate? Is that what I am supposed to take away from this reply? You reactionary snowflakes with your feels over reals.
 

Senor Hortler

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So you are incapable of demonstrating your claim that I am degenerate? Is that what I am supposed to take away from this reply? You reactionary snowflakes with your feels over reals.
Gender roles are still 100% the norm in most western cultures. You oppose them vehemently and don't seem to even think they should exist. To wish them to no longer exist, or to think that you aren't bound by them is to have lost the moral quality which is considered normal within society. That's a textbook definition of degeneracy.

Lets hear your lefty doublethink version of it though for a laugh.
 

FriedCFour

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So you are incapable of demonstrating your claim that I am degenerate? Is that what I am supposed to take away from this reply? You reactionary snowflakes with your feels over reals.
He's addressing the claim that the left will win, because with these kinds of statements you gotta pick it apart one by one. He's also responding with reels of reals but its really cute when you try and appropriate our memes.
 
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Dirtbag has his own language for everything. I remember being at a Vampire LARP once that this normie girl decided to play in and she was complaining about all of the new words for everything - prince, sire, embrace, harpy, kiss, seneschal, justicars, etc. This must be like what she felt like.

Dirtbagleft, what do you mean by "degenerate"? It must be a lot different than what I think of when I hear the word, because I also think that our modern society has become degenerate. In fact, that is why I homeschool my kids, to protect them from all of the dangerous influences that are dominant in the West's modern anti-culture. Though, this degeneracy that I want to avoid is almost entirely the result of leftists who have come to completely dominate popular culture, entertainment, education, and many of our other powerful institutions.
 

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Dirtbag has his own language for everything. I remember being at a Vampire LARP once that this normie girl decided to play in and she was complaining about all of the new words for everything - prince, sire, embrace, harpy, kiss, seneschal, justicars, etc. This must be like what she felt like.

Dirtbagleft, what do you mean by "degenerate"? It must be a lot different than what I think of when I hear the word, because I also think that our modern society has become degenerate. In fact, that is why I homeschool my kids, to protect them from all of the dangerous influences that are dominant in the West's modern anti-culture. Though, this degeneracy that I want to avoid is almost entirely the result of leftists who have come to completely dominate popular culture, entertainment, education, and many of our other powerful institutions.
Going to public school in the south, I never understood the Left has taken over schools thing. May I ask where you re that not homeschooling your kids is bad?
 

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