United States 2nd Amendment Legal Cases and Law Discussion

ShadowArxxy · May 1, 2021

bullethead said:
Surprised no one took it to the Supreme Court, although the 9th Circuit's thing is apparently "grab a full en banc panel to kill any 3 judge en banc pro-gun ruling."

Nitpick: A three judge ruling is by definition not en banc. En banc is a discretionary appeal internal to the circuit, and is an interesting tradition because neither the prosecution nor the defense can actually make an appeal to it -- it has to be initiated by one of the judges on the circuit.

stephen the barbarian said:
a win in illinois, the foid card has been stuck down (for now at least)
link to the judges opinion

It's a pretty limited win, but a good one nonetheless.

bullethead · May 4, 2021

Supreme Court passed on this bump stock case, but since there's a better one from the Sixth Circuit that targets Chevron Deference, this one getting dropped isn't a surprise:

Supreme Court won't take Maryland bump stock ban case

The Supreme Court is declining to take up a challenge to Maryland’s ban on bump stocks and other devices that make guns fire faster.

apnews.com

Typhonis · May 5, 2021

You know...Gun Control reminds me of the scene from Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix. Where Umbridge tells the students that they don't need to protect themselves they can call an Auror to do it for them.

Coincidence? I mean telling us that the police will protect us and that we don't need weapons to do so. Yet what did 2020 show us?

LordsFire · May 5, 2021

Typhonis said:
You know...Gun Control reminds me of the scene from Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix. Where Umbridge tells the students that they don't need to protect themselves they can call an Auror to do it for them.

Coincidence? I mean telling us that the police will protect us and that we don't need weapons to do so. Yet what did 2020 show us?

Harry Potter is one of the most hilariously pro-2A stories out there. The parallel isn't even subtle, the only reason most leftist HP fans aren't already aware of it is because of how ideologically blind they are.

Typhonis · May 5, 2021

LordsFire said:
Harry Potter is one of the most hilariously pro-2A stories out there. The parallel isn't even subtle, the only reason most leftist HP fans aren't already aware of it is because of how ideologically blind they are.

Funny thing is Rowling is British.

LordsFire · May 5, 2021

Typhonis said:
Funny thing is Rowling is British.

I know!

Also, the completely draconian gun control laws in the UK are a product of the late 90's. When she started writing, it was still reasonably possible for a private citizen to own a gun without being a criminal.

Doomsought · May 5, 2021

It was also around the time that the UK had a boner for prosecuting self defense.

LindyAF · May 5, 2021

Doomsought said:
It was also around the time that the UK had a boner for prosecuting self defense.

I mean they still do.

ShadowArxxy · May 5, 2021

LordsFire said:
Also, the completely draconian gun control laws in the UK are a product of the late 90's.

Point of clarification: the Firearms Act of 1968 is still the primary UK gun control law to this day, but the 1988 and 1997 amendments were what upped it to a near-total ban.

Urabrask Revealed · May 5, 2021

LordsFire said:
I know!

Also, the completely draconian gun control laws in the UK are a product of the late 90's. When she started writing, it was still reasonably possible for a private citizen to own a gun without being a criminal.

Doomsought said:
It was also around the time that the UK had a boner for prosecuting self defense.

ShadowArxxy said:
Point of clarification: the Firearms Act of 1968 is still the primary UK gun control law to this day, but the 1988 and 1997 amendments were what upped it to a near-total ban.

The saddest thing is, apparently it wasn't always this way. There used to be a time when it was expected of Britain's citizens to be armed and trained.

Doomsought · May 5, 2021

Urabrask Revealed said:
The saddest thing is, apparently it wasn't always this way. There used to be a time when it was expected of Britain's citizens to be armed and trained.

WWI happened, and all of the aristocracy didn't want armed service men assigning the blame for a pointless war where it rightly belonged.

Cherico · May 5, 2021

Doomsought said:
WWI happened, and all of the aristocracy didn't want armed service men assigning the blame for a pointless war where it rightly belonged.

world war one basically ruined everything didnt it?

S'task · May 5, 2021

Cherico said:
world war one basically ruined everything didnt it?

One can make a strong case for that, for Europe at least. That said, a lot of what has ailed Western society developed earlier than that, Marxism predates it, and the US Progressive movement of the early 20th century that basically fucked everything up happened quite independently of (and began before) WW1.

But basically if it wasn't WW1 that messed it up, it was the early 20th century Progressive Movement and Woodrow Wilson...

Knowledgeispower · May 5, 2021

Why Wilson isn't considered one of if not the worst presidents of all time beats me.

Doomsought · May 5, 2021

S'task said:
But basically if it wasn't WW1 that messed it up, it was the early 20th century Progressive Movement and Woodrow Wilson...

If it wasn't for him, the US might have sided with Germany as we should have.

Cherico · May 5, 2021

Knowledgeispower said:
Why Wilson isn't considered one of if not the worst presidents of all time beats me.

He's actually finally starting to get the reputation he deserves.

Knowledgeispower · May 5, 2021

Cherico said:
He's actually finally starting to get the reputation he deserves.

He probably should have had it by the end of the 30s

Knowledgeispower · May 5, 2021

Doomsought said:
If it wasn't for him, the US might have sided with Germany as we should have.

Or at the very least remained neutral and told everyone that if they wanted to trade with them there would be no interference with American merchant shipping

Emperor Tippy · May 5, 2021

The WW1/Wilson discussion belongs in a separate thread, not having to do with 2A/Gun rights/gun related legal issues.

bullethead · May 17, 2021

Here's a good win against gun seizures:

The Supreme Court unanimously rules in favor of a Rhode Island man who said police violated his Fourth Amendment rights when they entered his home and temporarily seized his guns after his wife reported that he may be suicidal. Here's Caniglia v. Strom.

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