Israel versus Palestine: 2021 Edition

GoldRanger

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@GoldRanger how loud were the missiles?
I could easily hear the Iron Dome missiles from within the building, sounded just luke movie SFX of missiles.

The explosions themselves were louder. Some were quiet enough that I could confuse them with a neighbor dropping something heavy on the floor, others much louder, so that they rattled the windows just a little bit.
 

Zachowon

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Like I said, Iran will be gettting invovled.
IIRC Hezbollah is Iranian funded
 

Arch Dornan

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I could easily hear the Iron Dome missiles from within the building, sounded just luke movie SFX of missiles.

The explosions themselves were louder. Some were quiet enough that I could confuse them with a neighbor dropping something heavy on the floor, others much louder, so that they rattled the windows just a little bit.
If I was there as a tourist it would be the closest I'd actually get to experience what getting bombed the shit out of was like.
 

PsihoKekec

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Like I said, Iran will be gettting invovled.
IIRC Hezbollah is Iranian funded
Both Hezbollah and Hamas receive funds and weapon from Iran, albeit assistance to Hamas was curtailed once it started supporting Syrian rebels.
Hezbollah is in a bind here, they have to do at least token action, as they can't let the Sunni Hamas reap all the glory, but on the other hand, given the precarious situation in Lebanon, inviting heavy handed Israeli response just might start the chain reaction that could crash their economic empire.
 
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GoldRanger

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I wouldn't go that far. You can gather intel in a various amount of ways. From traditional spies and turncoats to access to advance drones or satellite equipment that can monitor movement. Hell, even hacking into cell phones and smart phones. If you can tag a known terrorist and you also tag the areas he tends to visit the most, you have an idea. Not to mention any sort of technological solution that the Israelis might have come up with to locate the tunnels.



It may not be enough though, depending on the goal. Israel seems more willing than before to simply occupy Palestinian regions, but that would mean urban warfare, which would be costly and might burn up what little political capital the Israeli PM has left. And it seems he is intent on gaining political capital from this, not losing it.

That isn't great for the situation though. Word has it that Hamas impart launched this attack to boost their ratings for their own coming elections. Losing this fight would be a political disaster within the Palestinian regions and they'd lose out to their rivals. Therefore, they're going to want to keep launching rockets until it gets to the point that they can either declare some kind of victory (even if it's a pyric one) or until doing so only furthers to weaken Hamas.

It doesn't matter how badly they lose, Hamas will manufacture a victory if necessary. They are the ones pressuring Egypt to convince Israel to a ceasefire, Israel is the one refusing.

Moreover, Hamas has fake Facebook accounts of Israelis with bad Google translate Hebrew crying that they want to leave Israel because of the rocket attacks, which is a trick intended to convince their own people that they attacks are having a significant effect on Israel. They're also trying to spread rumors that Israel is hiding the real extent of casualties from the rocket attacks (in reality it's impossible to cover up in a country like Israel).

As long as Hamas has one guy left at the end posing with the victory sign for the camera among the Gazan ruins, they'll declare victory.

In reality though, they have virtually stopped launching into the Tel Aviv area entirely (It's been days since the last one, and the last ones were smaller than the huge opening volley on the first day), and even their fire on the border towns near Gaza has been greatly reduced. Either the IDF managed to significantly degrade their launch abilities, or they're saving their limited stock of long-range rockets for a "victory volley" right before a ceasefire takes effect. Likely both.

The same goes for the Israeli government. Because the harder Hamas hits them, the harder they hit back in order to support their own weakening position within Israel.

Not true. It seems that this time Israel is operating on a schedule intentionally detached from Hamas operations. This is meant to prevent being dragged around by Hamas initiative. There's a gradual day to day escalation of Israeli airstrikes that do not depend on the power and aim of Palestinian volleys.
 

GoldRanger

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And now the idiots in Hezbollah may be joining in the fun.

All 6 of their rockets fell inside Lebanese territory. It's probably intentional. They'd want to show the Palestinians that they support them, but at the same time they see what's going on in Gaza and are getting flashbacks of 2006. With Lebanon's economy in the shitter, Hezbollah is probably afraid of dragging it into a war with Israel, since the population is unlikely to thank them for the destruction that would ensue. They're unlikely to go beyond symbolic gestures, for now.
 

GoldRanger

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Picture perfectly encapsulating the crisis in the Middle East. Palestinian missiles flying every which way on the left, Iron Dome fixated on defending against them from the right.


It's the other way around, actually.

Palestinian rockets flying in a straightforward ballistic trajectory on the right (think shotgun blast. You can't control where exactly each pellet hits), while on the left, Israeli Iron Dome rockets are flying in complex computer-calculated trajectories, maneuvering to catch the incoming volley (think soccer goalie).
 

GoldRanger

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This is taken from unofficial sources so you can take it with a grain of salt if you want. These are the instruction Hamas published for journalists operating in Gaza:

  • Do not film roof knocking (warning shots) on buildings.
  • Always film damage on buildings adjacent to the ones that the IDF strikes.
  • Never film rockets that are fired from rooftops.
  • During funerals do not film bodies that are draped in flags of the armed factions in Gaza.
All these instructions are designed to engineer an impression that the IDF is indiscriminately bombing civilians in Gaza.

I will repeat that all this is unconfirmed, for now, by official sources. I chose to bring it up anyway since the material coming from the source that published this is usually spot on, from my personal experience.


Alleged screenshot of the original in Arabic.
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Husky_Khan

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House Democrats led by House Foreign Affairs Chair Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.) ultimately decided against telling President Biden to delay a $735 million dollar arms sale to Israel.

Politico said:
A spokesperson for the committee said Meeks wanted to “create an opportunity for members to engage in a candid conversation with the administration about the arms sale,” adding that a letter is “no longer necessary” given the White House’s engagement.

But Democratic sources briefed on the meeting took issue with Meeks' reasoning, contending that the intent of the letter was not to simply secure a meeting or a briefing from the administration. Democratic lawmakers who wanted to protest the sale believed that its timing sent the wrong message when the Biden administration has resisted an aggressive push for a cease-fire.

 

Sir 1000

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I don't have a clue who to root for, but i do hope it escalates. Neither of them would blink an eye at dead American whites.
 

Zachowon

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I don't have a clue who to root for, but i do hope it escalates. Neither of them would blink an eye at dead American whites.
No, but the US population will want us to pull out the second we set foot there.
Either by calling us child killers or that we are facing yet another never ending war
 

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