Star Wars Fanfic Ideas, Recommendations, and Discussions Thread

Hlaalu Agent

Nerevar going to let you down
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Yeah, going to agree with earlier discussions that we need more Confederate friendly SW stories. Somehow the people (even if some of them are greedy corpos) fighting against what is rapidly and priorly for many years- slowly- becoming the Empire which is the villain of the OT are somehow the bad guys. I mean what? The people who want to leave a corrupt, inefficient, unfair, exploitative, neglectful, and so on system and who were canonically attacked first are somehow the villains of the piece and not the corrupt regime that is rapidly becoming an authoritarian dictatorship (which is also led by an evil space wizard) and who are using force against people who only wish to seek self-determination. Suuuuure.

So yeah, I'd probably want to see some stories- probably fanfics since the Mouse and LucasFilm seem steadfast in refusing to actually make it nuanced. Really dig into why things are the way they are in the OT...which Legends actually tried to do. One option is a Count Dooku returns to the light and goes legit (like the path from the upcoming HOI mod). Or maybe he was running a long con. Or focus on the people who are the actual grassroots members of the movement...

Another side thought, I wonder how Stormtrooper armour actually would work against actual Shrapnel and not fragmentation, because people conflate them and checking on wikpedia it seems to actually be strong against the latter and not actual Shrapnel which is actually designed to pierce things. Also going to say that Stormtrooper armour being strong against firearms makes little sense, since you know they are largely facing people with Blaster weapons- so it should be heat resistant and not resistant to kinetics (but still resistant to fragmentation)
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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First, a possible explanation/reconciliation of The Dark Side of the Force:

First, we must note that the Dark Side has multiple 'groups/schools/styles' under its banner. Most of the Dark Side practitioners (like the Witches) are of the exploration of The Force variety, just using the Dark Side as the methodology of said exploration. These practitioners simply study and utilize the Dark Side in a sort of 'mad science/magic' sort of way, as long as you don't do shit like, oh, completely break the cycle of life and death.

Second, the most dangerous aspect of the Dark Side is not the passion but negative emotions with said passion. Passion gives you a moderate power boost to force abilities in general but negative emotions even more so. Both in combination is extremely dangerous as it is powerful for it makes the force user act like a druggie looking for his next fix. Sidious is powerful (and dangerous) not because he is a master practitioner of the Dark Side (he's probably in the top five list in terms of practical ability) but because he is able to stay sane despite being, effectively, on extremely copious amounts of Force!Hard Drugs.

What The Force wanted is to completely and utterly annihilate the Banite Sith and basically UNPERSON their entire existence. Period. Why? They broke some seriously high-level 'rules' and what results from these rules being broken is why the Blade of Mortis is still around. Sidious and his predecessors broke those rules and would break even more to ensure that they would win against the Jedi.

Yeah... have fun with that implication.

Explored a bit in the old EU, with the various Darkside sects and even different branches of the Sith decrying Baninites and Plagian Sith as heretics of the highest caliber.

Of course you had Cronal/Blackhole and his cult dedicated to the entropic forces of the universe who were arguably worse than the Sith, but they were small and reclusive enough not to effect things on a large scale until Palps brought some into his fold. Though that brings to mind an idea...

34 ABY- Jakku
Around him there is fire, the junker town on Jakku, built amidst the ruins of the old Empire's last gasp has been razed, the stench of blaster fire and burn flesh and plasteel fills the nostrils of Jedi Knight Poe Dameron. He didn't even sense it, not until the Mandalorian elite came out of hyperspace nearly in atmosphere and began blasting everything along the horizon. Their crimson fighters, modeled after an advanced form of the old B wing fighter types easily cut through what meager picket forces the wasteland of the inner rim could muster. The Jedi outpost here had rallied to its defense, master Bridger quickly marshalling command of the Jedi who managed to engage the Elites in an aerial duel that Poe found to be as beautiful as it was deadly.

He should have been up there, with the exception of Ben Skywalker, he was the orders best Pilot next to master Bridger. But Ezra had the right of it, if the battle turned, he could navigate hyperspace far better than he. Grand Admiral Sloane's mad destruction of the Holonet still plagued them and much of the hyperspace routes that had benefited the Galaxy for tens of thousands of years were now lost and slowly being rediscovered, or inaccessible without microjumps or force users.

It had been up to Poe and his apprentice, Rey and a dozen other academy cadets to do battle with some of the most dangerous fighters the universe had ever known. When Master Bridger was forced to retreat, it had fallen on his kids to turn the tide and save the people of the junk world. The mystery of who these Mandos answered too eluding him as he cut through them, hewing one after another until at last his blade met a Beskar/Song steel Blade that belonged the disgraced Mandalore Phasma.

Hakon

He knew fear in that moment, not for himself but his students.

Hakon was a force user, one of the many who emerged from the chaos of the Emperor's death over Endor. Rumors abounded, he was an Inquisitor of the Empire who embraced the light and went mad, he was a Jedi Knight who survived Order Sixty Six and was consumed by hatred, he was the last living relic of a defunct sect of mad Jedi who had been consumed by Pias Dea doctrine, he was a Bendu come to render judgment on the two force using orders who came to dominate the Galaxy. No one really knew, save that he killed every single living dark sider user who had been affiliated with the Sith and the Emperor. He and a cadre of followers including his sons and daughters had carved a path of slaughter and complete decimation across the unknown regions and then outer rim territories. Coring every single temple, strong hold, alcove, citadel and or repository of knowledge the Sith had ever built. In the chaos of the Galactic civil war he had carved himself out a kingdom in the outer rim, bringing order to a chaotic region of the Galaxy long ignored by all sides.

It seemed he was dedicated to sweeping away everything the Sith touched and twenty years ago his wrath had fallen on Yavin 4, where he laid siege to Master Luke's academy. They drove him off, of course, but it came at a terrible price.

Master Mara Jade Skywalker slew his eldest daughter during the worst of the fighting and in response Hakon impaled her through the heart and cast her body from the top of the ancient temple. Her broken form being clutched in the arms of her son as he wailed in despair still haunted Poe for Ben was a brother to him in all but blood. He left, retreating to the outer rim, vowing that he had no taste for Jedi blood but that he would one day return to complete his mission.

In response to this Luke created Jedi outposts across the galaxy, protecting the holy sites of the Jedi and the ancient and modern dens of darkness left behind by the Sith. Jakku was one such outpost, for it contained the personal archives of the Emperor, the last lord of the Sith. Poe lost consciousness shortly after realizing just who had come, waking what seemed like several hours later. Being dragged through the sands by two Mandalorians and flanked by one of Hakon's force users, an Albino wookie that Poe knew to be a Jedi who had survived the purge and had been tortured by the Emperor's acolytes and used to sport fighting. His pink eyes were as hard as the blow that knocked up out earlier and suddenly panic hit him because he realized he couldn't sense Rey.


His mind returned to the battle the other night, in the chaos the over confident Jakku native had let loose one of her patented shrieks and rushed into battle beating her way through Mandalorians and brought her scavenged saber down onto the armored forearm of a hulking...oh....Hakon cleaved her from her neck to her pelvis, killed her instantly after the initial square off and he remembered now and he fought with all his might to let the anger pass over him like a storm, transitory and fleeting and a sob came unbidden. She was only nineteen, she'd never been off Jakku and Poe promised when he arrived to begin her training three years ago.

"She died well, doing her duty." A deep, accented voice spoke in a rumble that was half a growl forcing Poe's eyes forward at the immense figure cloaked in a fur lined came wearing beskar armor, long gray wild and shaggy hair fell about shoulders that could have belonged to a particularly physically fit hutt (and indeed, the young Hutt beside the seated figure looked small in comparison). Hard gray eyes focused on Poe from a chiseled, scarred face that was framed in an immense beard that was plated with decorative armor and braided in some parts with aurodium and jeweled rings. The fur that lined his cape and adorned his shoulders belonged to a trio of Imperial Hands who had been Cathar and Poe shuddered at the casualness of it. About his mighty brow was a coronet made of beskar and fashioned inside were the multi colored jewels of each force user he had killed which Hakon considered a "worthy challenge".

The amethyst Lightsaber crystal of Mara Jade resting in the centerpiece.

Bastard

Completing this, outfit that belonged in some holodrama about the savage pre Republic era and the force using warlords thereof was a songsteel blade forged no doubt with force alchemy which sat at his side "Starkiller" it was called and Poe could feel the murderous fury of the weapon from his position. "She was nineteen." Poe said weightily.

The giant nodded, but he didn't put down the gigantic bird leg that was in his left hand, not even bothering to look up as he sank his teeth into it. "So was my daughter." He answered.

"Is that what this is about?! Revenge?! You killed her killer, and in doing so broke the heart of our leader and sent him into self impose exile! Was that not enough?!" Poe snapped, earning him a kick. As his eyes focused, the haze of his concussion fading as the force rejuvenated his body, he could make out a tall blue skinned Hutt in armor at his right! To his left stood Phasma, the missing eye from her duel Cara Dune and Bo Katan replaced by a robotic eye that flickered menacingly.

To his surprise, Hakon looked up from his meal, his eyes confused and then he frowned. "No, I was only pointing out that war is the young dying while we talk, or that is how it always was before I came. No, I have never held any rancor for Mara Jade, my daughter faced her in battle both did their duty and both died. There was never a blood debt and I was not mocking your apprentice. She acquitted herself well enough, arrogant though she was and when you are able to stand I intend to say the funeral rites of your order and return her ashes to the force as befits a Knight.."

That shocked all the rage out of Poe, there was a heaviness about the harshness of Hakon's tone and a surprising amount of care and honesty. It was hard to reconcile, one so dark with what he was seeing before him and swallowing he finally managed the restraint to bury his resentment and nodded in thanks. "She was an orphan, the Jedi order was all she had."

"You, were all she had." Hakon nodded his head, a knowing look in his eyes. "I know it well, the pain from both ends boy."

"Then why? Why all this bloodshed! And for what?! Ruins of a fallen maniac!?"

"Why do Jedi stand vigil over the spiritual remains of their fallen enemies?" Hakon queried.

"Because you kill everyone within a hundred kilometer radius of any Sith ruin!" Poe answered firmly. "Why do you vandalize dried scrolls and-" He was cut off by laughter, laughter so deep and loud it sounded like thunder.

"Vandalize? Boy! I have, thrown down their mighty walls, moved every precious jewel, burned every scroll, crushed every holocron, banished every spirit and hollowed out the very foundations of the ground their temples were built upon. I have cleansed the Galaxy of the name Sith, in all but a few places. What begins on Jakku will end with Coruscant turned to dust! But first, I will come to Yavin and finish what I started twenty years ago!"

Horror flickered across Poe's eyes "There was a trillion people living on Coruscant, only a handful left that are tainted by the Sith!"

"That planet is a wound in the force I intend to cleanse and should the Jedi obstruct me, I will mount the heads of your order on my palace walls, gilded in Aurodium...A Monument to the honor of the light." He'd evidently finished with the bird leg for he tossed it aside and gestured a meaty hand.

A young girl, a Mando with raven black hair and tanned skin and sad eyes came forward, her crimson armor glowing in the light of the setting sun.

"Finn, get Knight Dameron cleaned up, see that he is given Rey's ashes then escort him to Yavin so that he may join his brothers and die as befits a Knight."

She gave a wordless bow and Poe found himself sensing a subtle shift in the force.

Sometimes he wondered if Kreia was right about the force being malevolent, for it robbed him of a padawan whom he loved like a sister and handed him a means to change his fate and perhaps the whole order's in another.
 

BlackDragon98

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First, a possible explanation/reconciliation of The Dark Side of the Force:

First, we must note that the Dark Side has multiple 'groups/schools/styles' under its banner. Most of the Dark Side practitioners (like the Witches) are of the exploration of The Force variety, just using the Dark Side as the methodology of said exploration. These practitioners simply study and utilize the Dark Side in a sort of 'mad science/magic' sort of way, as long as you don't do shit like, oh, completely break the cycle of life and death.

Second, the most dangerous aspect of the Dark Side is not the passion but negative emotions with said passion. Passion gives you a moderate power boost to force abilities in general but negative emotions even more so. Both in combination is extremely dangerous as it is powerful for it makes the force user act like a druggie looking for his next fix. Sidious is powerful (and dangerous) not because he is a master practitioner of the Dark Side (he's probably in the top five list in terms of practical ability) but because he is able to stay sane despite being, effectively, on extremely copious amounts of Force!Hard Drugs.
That's why the Jensaarai were perfection.

Jensaarai

What The Force wanted is to completely and utterly annihilate the Banite Sith and basically UNPERSON their entire existence. Period. Why? They broke some seriously high-level 'rules' and what results from these rules being broken is why the Blade of Mortis is still around. Sidious and his predecessors broke those rules and would break even more to ensure that they would win against the Jedi.

Yeah... have fun with that implication.
isn't the Blade of Mortis used as a last ditch one shot kill against Abeloth?

Ok, fanfic idea time:
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Basically, Grogu becomes a Jedi Master but in his timeline, Sidious's return turns the galaxy into a complete and utter clusterfuck, and with the help of Ezra and The Force, Grogu gets transported back into the days of the Old Republic and the Jedi Order - in body and soul I might add.

What Grogu doesn't know is that The Force wants him to finally kill Sidious once and for all. Grogu simply wants to prevent the fall of the Jedi Order and the Old Republic... leading to interesting butterflies (maybe even have Grogu be Anakin's Master ;) ).

Grogu meets Oteg.

Memes ensure.

Yeah, going to agree with earlier discussions that we need more Confederate friendly SW stories. Somehow the people (even if some of them are greedy corpos) fighting against what is rapidly and priorly for many years- slowly- becoming the Empire which is the villain of the OT are somehow the bad guys. I mean what? The people who want to leave a corrupt, inefficient, unfair, exploitative, neglectful, and so on system and who were canonically attacked first are somehow the villains of the piece and not the corrupt regime that is rapidly becoming an authoritarian dictatorship (which is also led by an evil space wizard) and who are using force against people who only wish to seek self-determination. Suuuuure.
I've been working on a (Legends) Imperial Officer SI . . .
Where the SI makes alliances during his career with many former Separatist species and people, using his position as the 3rd son of one of the most powerful shipbuilding/manufacturing industrialists in the Empire.
Like the Valahari, Xi Char, Colicoids, Skakoans, Slusissi, etc.

because the Droideka is over 9000 times better than an E-Web team, AATs can hand AT-ATs and AT-STs their ass, Valahari Vulture droids could kill Jedi in dogfights, among other things

It's partially based on this post on SB (I saw the AH version first but you need an account to see the Ah version)
What if you were transported to Star Wars as an Imperial Officer? (A Star Wars SI) | SpaceBattles Forums

Another side thought, I wonder how Stormtrooper armour actually would work against actual Shrapnel and not fragmentation, because people conflate them and checking on wikpedia it seems to actually be strong against the latter and not actual Shrapnel which is actually designed to pierce things. Also going to say that Stormtrooper armour being strong against firearms makes little sense, since you know they are largely facing people with Blaster weapons- so it should be heat resistant and not resistant to kinetics (but still resistant to fragmentation)
Joints and parts where the body glove is exposed are obvious weaknesses.

Stormtrooper armor was designed against the elements and secondary threats.

Palps didn't anticipate widespread rebellion after he took power, especially since the Reconquest of the Rim campaigns had made the Empire really popular in the early days.

Explored a bit in the old EU, with the various Darkside sects and even different branches of the Sith decrying Baninites and Plagian Sith as heretics of the highest caliber.
Only true Sith left in the galaxy were the Lost Tribe of Sith.

Of course you had Cronal/Blackhole and his cult dedicated to the entropic forces of the universe who were arguably worse than the Sith, but they were small and reclusive enough not to effect things on a large scale until Palps brought some into his fold. Though that brings to mind an idea...
Cronal was by far the worst.

The psychopath even encouraged and took part himself in the repeated rape of his own daughter Sariss.

not to mention the campaign of terror he lead in the inner and mid rim after Endor

Guy was a psycho monster in human skin.

Sariss | Wookieepedia | Fandom
 

Aaron Fox

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Yeah, going to agree with earlier discussions that we need more Confederate friendly SW stories. Somehow the people (even if some of them are greedy corpos) fighting against what is rapidly and priorly for many years- slowly- becoming the Empire which is the villain of the OT are somehow the bad guys. I mean what? The people who want to leave a corrupt, inefficient, unfair, exploitative, neglectful, and so on system and who were canonically attacked first are somehow the villains of the piece and not the corrupt regime that is rapidly becoming an authoritarian dictatorship (which is also led by an evil space wizard) and who are using force against people who only wish to seek self-determination. Suuuuure.

So yeah, I'd probably want to see some stories- probably fanfics since the Mouse and LucasFilm seem steadfast in refusing to actually make it nuanced. Really dig into why things are the way they are in the OT...which Legends actually tried to do. One option is a Count Dooku returns to the light and goes legit (like the path from the upcoming HOI mod). Or maybe he was running a long con. Or focus on the people who are the actual grassroots members of the movement...

Another side thought, I wonder how Stormtrooper armour actually would work against actual Shrapnel and not fragmentation, because people conflate them and checking on wikpedia it seems to actually be strong against the latter and not actual Shrapnel which is actually designed to pierce things. Also going to say that Stormtrooper armour being strong against firearms makes little sense, since you know they are largely facing people with Blaster weapons- so it should be heat resistant and not resistant to kinetics (but still resistant to fragmentation)
In Legends, Rebel Commandos loved using Slugthrowers (aka guns) and there are quite a few groups that use slugthrowers instead of blasters. So, in this case, the armor having properties that make slugthrowers useless wouldn't be that far off.

The sad thing about slugthrowers is that, while easy to use, to get them really powerful means making them very heavy. To give you an example, the basic 'assault rifle' in my setting A New World has the basic weapon assembly -i.e. the action, the barrel, the firing block, the like- to be about 2kg in mass alone. Then you have to add things like the powerpack that powers the weapon (the AR is an Electrothermal Chemical rifle), the heat management system (sending a 17 gram round at 2km/s isn't cool in the slightest, especially if plasma is involved), the recoil system, etc... which gives you a hefty mass. Then you compare this to blasters, which would be a fraction of the cost and far easier to improve in capability compared to slugthrowers. That is at least in the Star Wars galaxy.
 

LindyAF

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I've been working on a (Legends) Imperial Officer SI . . .
Where the SI makes alliances during his career with many former Separatist species and people, using his position as the 3rd son of one of the most powerful shipbuilding/manufacturing industrialists in the Empire.
Like the Valahari, Xi Char, Colicoids, Skakoans, Slusissi, etc.

because the Droideka is over 9000 times better than an E-Web team, AATs can hand AT-ATs and AT-STs their ass, Valahari Vulture droids could kill Jedi in dogfights, among other things

IMO if you're doing a pro-Empire (or a quasi-pro-Empire) fic, which this is unless you're going to have him defect, you'd be better off casting the Trade Federation in maximally villainous light and basically saying "you know, for all the Empire does... at least we stop stuff like the damn Trade Fed from happening" or "obviously Palpatine is evil, but parts of the Empire are necessary to stop the damn Trade Feds from pulling that shit again."

This isn't to say people shouldn't do pro Separatist fics, but you're better off picking one or the other.
 

BlackDragon98

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IMO if you're doing a pro-Empire (or a quasi-pro-Empire) fic, which this is unless you're going to have him defect, you'd be better off casting the Trade Federation in maximally villainous light and basically saying "you know, for all the Empire does... at least we stop stuff like the damn Trade Fed from happening" or "obviously Palpatine is evil, but parts of the Empire are necessary to stop the damn Trade Feds from pulling that shit again."
Obviously.

The Trade Federation and other corrupt corporations will be decried as evil leeches, while the other parts of the Separatists like the Valahari, Colicoids, Kaleesh, Jabiimi, and other species/systems that simply wanted freedom from a corrupt Republic and more free trade without unfair taxation are cast as the tragic heroes that fought against an evil system lead by the war hungry Jedi.

SI is a master of propaganda, which is not exactly that hard to do in the Star Wars Galaxy.

This isn't to say people shouldn't do pro Separatist fics, but you're better off picking one or the other.
SI is the 3rd son of one of the most powerful shipbuilding/manufacturing industrialists in the galaxy under Palp's New Order.

Those former Separatist weapons, droids, and shipbuilding companies have all been folded into his father's megacorporation after the end of the Clone Wars, though their primary loyalty is to the SI rather than his father's main corporation.

Also, the fic doesn't start in the SI's childhood. In the style of A New Hope, my fic (Dauntless is the current working title) jumps straight into the action and starts during the Battle of Endor, though the SI is not involved (well, not until the end, that is).
 

Ash's Boomstick

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One fic idea I had a long time ago I did actually start but never got past a page or two, it was never supposed to be one taken seriously but I was afraid If I did try to go ahead with it then people would and I'd end up with a load of people bitching about how I did it. But I figure you guys might get a kick out of it.

The NRS Lusankya complete with full complement of fighters (no an SSD does not have only 144 craft on board) is travelling to it next target expecting to meet up with the NR fleet en route, commanded by General Wedge Antilles, the Lusankya is forcibly yanked out of hyperspace right into a pitched battle above a very familiar planet.

Thousands of warships surround the orbit of said world, the ship types are also well known, it turns out that the SSD has drooped into orbit of Coruscant during the battle at the beginning of Revenge of the Sith. Given it looks like a very large Star Destroyer and a lot like the immense ships used by Kuat to defend their system. So the Lusankya is under attack and begins shooting back, culminating in several direct hits to the Invisible Hand, destroying it utterly only a matter of a minute before the Jedi would get on board.

Now this attack could have been A) Accidental as it was just an enemy ship or B) Deliberate because someone may have remembered the Hand had Palpy on board, either way both Sith Lords and their droid patsy have been wiped out in a single shot.

This was as far as I got before realising there wasn't really much of a story there for the characters I was using unless they either returned to their own time or lived out their existence in the past either as members of the Republic Fleet or on an isolated world to prevent others getting their technology.
 

BlackDragon98

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Banned - Politics
One fic idea I had a long time ago I did actually start but never got past a page or two, it was never supposed to be one taken seriously but I was afraid If I did try to go ahead with it then people would and I'd end up with a load of people bitching about how I did it. But I figure you guys might get a kick out of it.

The NRS Lusankya complete with full complement of fighters (no an SSD does not have only 144 craft on board) is travelling to it next target expecting to meet up with the NR fleet en route, commanded by General Wedge Antilles, the Lusankya is forcibly yanked out of hyperspace right into a pitched battle above a very familiar planet.
144 (2 full fighter wings of 72) is the bare minimum.

Executor class SSDs could carry thousands of fighters and bombers.

In my fic, I set the number at 40 wings of 72, which totals up to 2880 fighters (the SI's flagship is my fic an Executor class)

And the time travel part isn't crazy either.

In Legends, a Sith battleship from Naga Sadow's era was sabotaged by a Jedi and the hyperdrive ended up sending the ship, Harbinger, over 5000 years into the future to 41.5 ABY (Sadow's era is 5000 BBY).

Maybe you could do the reverse and have an Imperial agent that was hidden aboard sabotage the hyperdrive? (it's a massive ship and I doubt anyone could search out every nook and cranny unless you have thousands of buzz droids. Otherwise it's going to take forever.)

Thousands of warships surround the orbit of said world, the ship types are also well known, it turns out that the SSD has drooped into orbit of Coruscant during the battle at the beginning of Revenge of the Sith. Given it looks like a very large Star Destroyer and a lot like the immense ships used by Kuat to defend their system. So the Lusankya is under attack and begins shooting back, culminating in several direct hits to the Invisible Hand, destroying it utterly only a matter of a minute before the Jedi would get on board.
Makes a lot of sense, considering that the Providence class was often used by Rebels (Seppie starships were used by the Rebels a lot) and they should know it's weak points.

Now this attack could have been A) Accidental as it was just an enemy ship or B) Deliberate because someone may have remembered the Hand had Palpy on board, either way both Sith Lords and their droid patsy have been wiped out in a single shot.
The spirit of Darth Bane does the Luke at Cloud City scream.

This was as far as I got before realising there wasn't really much of a story there for the characters I was using unless they either returned to their own time or lived out their existence in the past either as members of the Republic Fleet or on an isolated world to prevent others getting their technology.
Is this pre-Vong invasion or post-Vong invasion?

Because the NR guys would have loved to have a massive, endless droid army to throw at the Yuuzhan Vong.
 

Hlaalu Agent

Nerevar going to let you down
Founder
I've been working on a (Legends) Imperial Officer SI . . .
Where the SI makes alliances during his career with many former Separatist species and people, using his position as the 3rd son of one of the most powerful shipbuilding/manufacturing industrialists in the Empire.
Like the Valahari, Xi Char, Colicoids, Skakoans, Slusissi, etc.

because the Droideka is over 9000 times better than an E-Web team, AATs can hand AT-ATs and AT-STs their ass, Valahari Vulture droids could kill Jedi in dogfights, among other things

It's partially based on this post on SB (I saw the AH version first but you need an account to see the Ah version)
What if you were transported to Star Wars as an Imperial Officer? (A Star Wars SI) | SpaceBattles Forums

Sounds like you are going for a warlord. Building up strength so you can get the biggest piece once the cookie crumbles... Well from first guess that is what I assume. Personally I'd want to do a CIS officer and fight for truth, justice and liberty. Or if the situation is truly unsalvageable, work to build power...and then go off the reservation once the Clone Wars come to an end. Steal from the playbook of the First Order/Imperial Remnants.

Also thinking about all those Earth in Star Wars stories, and how 99% of the Clone Wars stories always have Earth siding with the Republic. When Earth might actually want to protect its sovereignty and see the Republic for the horrifically corrupt institution it is or see it as a war of aggression on the Republic's party. After all the CIS was in its rights to execute spies, especially ones who murdered civilians...

And Earth might react differently depending on era. So maybe pick an era when Earth might be particularly...prickly. And jealous of their sovereignty. Imagine prior to Gunray's regime that the Trade Federation stumbles upon a rather uninhabited nook of the galaxy and finds Earth, currently in the year 1900. They find a rich, beautiful world, full of unique trade goods, and with a decently militant population and one currently quite amenable to their way of seeing the Galaxy. A new business opportunity, and eventually once polished a new junior partner. And so, with the aid of the Federation Earth slowly improves itself, starting to create higher quality versions of domestic goods for export, providing mercenaries and foreign fighters, cultural goods, and perhaps even some technical insights. Of course the TF would benefit the most, but the Earth would get a decent share, it is an investment after all. And so, ever so subtly the Earth influences the greater galaxy, drawing attention from the fringe in the scientific and archaeological community, tourists, spawning the next greatest hit and so on. And being influenced in turn, with the empires and nations slowly turning towards co-operation now that everyone had room to breathe. The greatest influence would happen when an attentive Terran security officer sacrifices his life in stopping a 'defective' security droid, thus frustrating Sidious's plans for now...

The Galaxy would still unfurl similarly, Sidious would find a way to cause the Naboo Crisis to spiral out of control- though of course the Trade Federation coming out looking better. And across the Outer Rim due to their association with the Trade Federation, the somewhat united polities of Earth would set up legations to foster relations. And with that the Clone Wars would still start, and due to their patron remaining neutral so would the Earth, even if some Terrans would fight what they believed was a just war. But, perhaps by accident or by design (you never know with evil space wizards) one of the Legations is sieged by a pro-republic militia, only to be repulsed after a hard fought battle. Recriminations ensue, tempers flair, Palpatine says "good, good", and the diplomatic situation rapidly goes out of control. And the Republic awakens a very angry honey badger and massive justles its jimmies.

Though those are just my thoughts, I'd figure that is what would make the most sense. It seems I put more thought into the concept than most. Though I think all things being equal Earth would support the CIS, because it would most accord with real life morality. Them fighting for freedom, them being the underdogs and how desperate their coalition actually is would all play to our cultural values, and also the fact that the Republic struck first when peace was still on the table. And I doubt like most stories the CIS would attack a random planet...canonically that is what the Republic did (see the Talz).
 

LindyAF

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This is pretty much what would have happened if Vader hadn’t had to have the suit, since Anakin was already a war hero.
 

Aaron Fox

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Funnily enough, I've been playing with all sorts of ideas, including a 'Traveller-Future' of my alternate timeline that I've been using for my GATE fanfic, where humanity is one of the few species that is capable of using, essentially, science and magic together... which led to things like, oh, humanity being selected leader of a multi-species empire by accident via an ancient convoluted succession law, being used as arbitrators for numerous species, among other shenanigans (and a lot of 'oh man' and 'come on!' from humanity) that has humanity's luck be best described as 'schizophrenic'... and discover a wormhole to the Star Wars galaxy and thus bringing the crazy along with them...
 

Bassoe

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Yeah, going to agree with earlier discussions that we need more Confederate friendly SW stories. Somehow the people (even if some of them are greedy corpos) fighting against what is rapidly and priorly for many years- slowly- becoming the Empire which is the villain of the OT are somehow the bad guys. I mean what? The people who want to leave a corrupt, inefficient, unfair, exploitative, neglectful, and so on system and who were canonically attacked first are somehow the villains of the piece and not the corrupt regime that is rapidly becoming an authoritarian dictatorship (which is also led by an evil space wizard) and who are using force against people who only wish to seek self-determination. Suuuuure.
The problem is that the Confederacy was essentially just a bunch of megacorps thinking that with the automation technologies they possessed, if not for the monopoly of force of Republic law and its jedi enforcers getting in their way, they could build a murderbot army and rule the galaxy. Everything else was just propaganda or possibly useful idiots who'd have been shot or marched off to a slave labor camp by the Separatist army which was comprised entirely of battle droids, all of which had programmed killswitches and loyalty to their corporate masters as soon as their side won.
 

Hlaalu Agent

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The problem is that the Confederacy was essentially just a bunch of megacorps thinking that with the automation technologies they possessed, if not for the monopoly of force of Republic law and its jedi enforcers getting in their way, they could build a murderbot army and rule the galaxy. Everything else was just propaganda or possibly useful idiots who'd have been shot or marched off to a slave labor camp by the Separatist army which was comprised entirely of battle droids, all of which had programmed killswitches and loyalty to their corporate masters as soon as their side won.

No, I am pretty sure you are buying the line sold to you by the inferior Clone Wars. All you are doing is saying both sides are the same, because the Republic pretty much was the Empire in all but name during the PT. I'd rather not be that cynical.

edit: Also remember the supposed good guys are the ones using a slave army to stamp out a secessionist movement, and who actively punish the slaves if they want to be free.
 
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Bassoe

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As otherwise, I could just see him using the Cyborgs as a way to rally the galaxy behind him. Not to mention the ways that Palpatine would abuse that sort of technology to his own ends. Or to put it simply; I didn't want to give Palpatine even more ways to ruin the lives of billions of people.
Death Troopers:
Replace with some other, similar Legends Elite Stormtrooper variant. I’m leaning towards some sort of Dark Trooper...
Wait a minute, weren't the Phase Zero dark troopers involuntary cyborgs? Where'd Palpatine get that technology?
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Emperor Tippy

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Yeah, going to agree with earlier discussions that we need more Confederate friendly SW stories. Somehow the people (even if some of them are greedy corpos) fighting against what is rapidly and priorly for many years- slowly- becoming the Empire which is the villain of the OT are somehow the bad guys. I mean what? The people who want to leave a corrupt, inefficient, unfair, exploitative, neglectful, and so on system and who were canonically attacked first are somehow the villains of the piece and not the corrupt regime that is rapidly becoming an authoritarian dictatorship (which is also led by an evil space wizard) and who are using force against people who only wish to seek self-determination. Suuuuure.

So yeah, I'd probably want to see some stories- probably fanfics since the Mouse and LucasFilm seem steadfast in refusing to actually make it nuanced. Really dig into why things are the way they are in the OT...which Legends actually tried to do. One option is a Count Dooku returns to the light and goes legit (like the path from the upcoming HOI mod). Or maybe he was running a long con. Or focus on the people who are the actual grassroots members of the movement...

Another side thought, I wonder how Stormtrooper armour actually would work against actual Shrapnel and not fragmentation, because people conflate them and checking on wikpedia it seems to actually be strong against the latter and not actual Shrapnel which is actually designed to pierce things. Also going to say that Stormtrooper armour being strong against firearms makes little sense, since you know they are largely facing people with Blaster weapons- so it should be heat resistant and not resistant to kinetics (but still resistant to fragmentation)

The Separatists were worse than the Republic by basically every metric; as sad as that is. Sure, that was largely because Palpatine was running both sides and wanted to make the Separatists the baddies but it's still true.

Dooku can't "return to the light" once the war starts properly. Or to be more precise, him trying plays right into Palpatine's hands.

If the Jedi refuse to take him back then nothing changes, well besides Palpatine having to slot in whomever is his on tap Dooku replacement as Separatist leader.

If the Jedi try to take him back then he activates Order 66 early on the grounds of Jedi treason and if they try to call him Sith, well they are the ones who just took back the leader of the Separatists, the former apprentice of Yoda, the man that the Jedi were calling Sith only days before, and suddenly on his word the Chancellor of the Republic (the politician with the highest approval ratings in the entire Republic incidentally) is the big bad Sith?

If Dooku tries to break with Palpatine/go light but remain as Separatist leader/not return to the Jedi then Palpatine just has him assassinated (or does it himself if he has to) and again replaces him.

By the time the war starts, the Jedi are already screwed and Palpatine has already won. The Jedi's last true chance to fuck over Palpatine would have been to publicly condemn the Grand Army of the Republic as a slave army, publicly refuse to have anything to do with it, and publicly call the Senate slave masters and demand an investigation into just how the Republic happened to have a slave army on hand and ready to do. Of course, that has the risk of backfiring as the Jedi are officially the ones who created that army but whether or not the Jedi knew that at the time *shrug*; and the Jedi Council publicly condemning the whole thing and repudiating whomever was involved in its creation could likely be enough.

Of course, even then Palpatine just reforms the Separatists somewhat and goes for the Separatist victory (or at least stops holding them back so much).

By the time the war starts, Palpatine controls most of the major transstellar corporations, including the Banking Clans and Kuat. He controls at least a third of the Senate. He controls a great many of the core world and critical world governments. He controls the droid armies of the Separatists.

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The really interesting thing is what happens if Anakin wins at Mustaffar or Padme doesn't follow him. Because if Padme dies without it being Anakin's direct fault (at least in his own mind)? After he swore allegiance to Palpatine specifically to save her? A healthy Anakin in that situation would turn on Palpatine immediately and thanks to Palpatine's own PR and the Senate situation at the time he could very well make his own claim to the throne stick.

Hell, just Padme surviving childbirth without Palpatine having to intervene would cause issues. The one person that Palpatine can't really turn on at that time is a healthy Anakin. He isn't the mysterious Darth Vader, Palpatine's personal hit man and problem solver. He is Anakin Skywalker, the Hero With No Fear, the Saviour of the Emperor, the one who saved the Republic from the treasonous Jedi and threw them down. Padme is, again, one of the most beloved people in the galaxy and a bonafide war hero while also appealing to basically every anti-Palpatine faction politically speaking. And she's married to Anakin, the mother of his two children.

The Skywalkers are very much the first family of the Empire. Anakin basically has to be Palpatine's declared Heir, PR alone demands it. Until and unless Palpatine takes a wife, Padme is the First Lady of the Empire and everyone knows that Luke will be Emperor someday.

Moving against the Skywalkers? Palpatine can't survive that in the early days of the Empire, it would see open revolt against him. He has the Force, but Anakin is a Master level Force user in his own right and would absolutely have unlimited access to everything from the Jedi temple along with being able to basically demand that Palpatine fulfill his bargain and teach him the Sith ways. If he tries to move against Padme or the kids, well he would never risk that because if Anakin gets even a whiff of his culpability then its open war between the two of them.

Then you have the other issue. A few whispered words from Padme and suddenly Anakin remembers his anti-slavery stance and that he became a Jedi to free the slaves on Tatooine/from the Hutts. The Empire does have that nice shiny, battle hardened, army and navy on hand. Why not go conquer those deplorable Hutts? Chasing Jedi down? Well Palpatine has his Inquisitors and Hands for that, Anakin has better things to do as head of the military. Padme? "Hey Bail, Mon Motha, thanks for coming over to dinner. It would be a crying shame if I accidentally misplaced this datastick with all of the intel needed to his this pet project of Palpatine's that is over the top evil.", two days later the Rebels assassinate some critical Palpatine supporter or fuck with his plans in a way that benefits Anakin/Padme.
 

BlackDragon98

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On the subject of Anakin winning the Mustafar duel, I remember seeing a youtube vid of the RoTS video game's alternate ending.

Anakin kills Obi-Wan and then kills Sidious when he comes to retrieve him.

Emperor Anakin Skywalker of the Galactic Empire.
 

The Whispering Monk

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The really interesting thing is what happens if Anakin wins at Mustaffar or Padme doesn't follow him. Because if Padme dies without it being Anakin's direct fault (at least in his own mind)? After he swore allegiance to Palpatine specifically to save her? A healthy Anakin in that situation would turn on Palpatine immediately and thanks to Palpatine's own PR and the Senate situation at the time he could very well make his own claim to the throne stick.

Umm...I hate to burst your bubble on all that.

Anakin may have been able to defeat Kenobi, but there's no way he could defeat Darth Sidious. If Yoda couldn't do it, then Anakin ain't pulling that off.

And you're forgetting that Order 66 has already gone out, and Anakin has just slaughtered the Younglings. Any shine he had is GONE.

Even if Padme lives I'm not sure she stays with the Anakin that kills children then goes on to kill his former Master, a man who Anakin saw as a father figure.
 

Emperor Tippy

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Umm...I hate to burst your bubble on all that.

Anakin may have been able to defeat Kenobi, but there's no way he could defeat Darth Sidious. If Yoda couldn't do it, then Anakin ain't pulling that off.
Anakin was more powerful than either Yoda or Palpatine. Whether or not he could actually win a straight fight *shrug*. What really matters is that Palpatine can't politically survive that fight at the time.

And you're forgetting that Order 66 has already gone out, and Anakin has just slaughtered the Younglings. Any shine he had is GONE.
Shine with who. Sure, the Jedi hate his guts but the Jedi are basically dead and Yoda just attempted to assassinate Palpatine in the Senate Chambers; after Windu and several other Jedi Masters tried to assassinate the sitting Chancellor in his own office. Politically speaking, the Jedi are an irrelevance at best. Anakin leading the clones in purging the Temple? Even if Palpatine both had the video on hand and leaked it, it still wouldn't crater his standing with the public.

Anakin publicly turned on the Jedi when they attempted to assassinate Palpatine. Probably because they suspected that Palpatine had found out that the Jedi were orchestrating both sides of the war - Dooku was Yoda's pupil don't you know? Anakin saved the Chancellors life from the assassination and attempted coup. The same Anakin who had been feted as The Hero for the past few years, the same Anakin who had personally killed Count Dooku when Yoda's apprentice attacked Coruscant. The same Anakin who had just killed the rest of the CIS's leadership and shut down all their droid armies.

If Anakin kills Palpatine at the time then its trivial for him to spin it as the Jedi assassinating Palpatine and Anakin then killing the assassin. Palpatine confirmed Anakin as the second highest person in the clones chain of command (after Palpatine himself), which means that Anakin has the entire GAR at his back. Getting himself declared Emperor in that situation? When he is able to get away with using the Force to manipulate Senators directly (the Jedi being gone from Coruscant)? And with Padme at his side to be the velvet glove over his iron fist?

If Anakin doesn't move against Palpatine, all of the above is what essentially forces Palpatine to de jure make Anakin his Heir. Darth Vader got to avoid Imperial politics to a large extent because he was the mysterious hatchet man and actively wanted to avoid the games of court. Anakin, with a living Padme at his side? That's a very different situation in terms of politics, PR, and desires.

Even if Padme lives I'm not sure she stays with the Anakin that kills children then goes on to kill his former Master, a man who Anakin saw as a father figure.
Who knows? In large part it probably depends on just how everything works out.
 

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