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Then again where do the trees get their magic?
Which leads me to a broader question-where is the source of magic from in ASOIAF?
The elements of its title? Gods or a God? Some sort of paranatural force?
Which leads me to a broader question-where is the source of magic from in ASOIAF?
The elements of its title? Gods or a God? Some sort of paranatural force?
CarlManvers2019
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I think the Heart Trees are a strange sort of organism who’s thought process doesn’t really differentiate between past/present/future
Basileus_Komnenos
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I have two ASOIAF fics here on the sietch. I'd really some feedback on it.
Let Madness Reign: is an SI fic into Aerys II right before Robert's Rebellion and the Tourney of Harrenhall as the SI struggles to unscrew what cannon Aerys has already mucked up. With the nobles and the King's own son conspiring against him, Aerys's position is tenuous as any wrong move could bring down the whole House of Cards that is his rule.
I Viserys- A Viserys III SI: Is exactly how its sounds- an SI fic into Daenerys' older Brother Viserys III the Beggar King himself. It basically involves the SI trying to survive in Essos and trying to find a way to reclaim his birthright without dying by Dothraki or all the other threats in Essos.
Let Madness Reign: is an SI fic into Aerys II right before Robert's Rebellion and the Tourney of Harrenhall as the SI struggles to unscrew what cannon Aerys has already mucked up. With the nobles and the King's own son conspiring against him, Aerys's position is tenuous as any wrong move could bring down the whole House of Cards that is his rule.
I Viserys- A Viserys III SI: Is exactly how its sounds- an SI fic into Daenerys' older Brother Viserys III the Beggar King himself. It basically involves the SI trying to survive in Essos and trying to find a way to reclaim his birthright without dying by Dothraki or all the other threats in Essos.
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Purple Days (ASOIAF Joffrey Timeloop) (AU)
Blurb: From one day to the other, Joffrey Baratheon wakes up a changed man. Far from the spoiled...
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For anyone following Purple Days-the war for the dawn has begun!
I have followed Purple Days for years now-ever since Sansa entered the story as co protagonist.
And it has been an extremely rewarding experience.
And now we are finally getting the pay off.
It's... it's actually finished? Wow, I never expected to read that.Purple Days (ASOIAF Joffrey Timeloop) (AU)
Blurb: From one day to the other, Joffrey Baratheon wakes up a changed man. Far from the spoiled...
For anyone following Purple Days-the war for the dawn has begun!
I have followed Purple Days for years now-ever since Sansa entered the story as co protagonist.
And it has been an extremely rewarding experience.
And now we are finally getting the pay off.
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Not yet.
Its got the actual War of the Dawn Arc. Which he finally got to. The last chapter was Joffrey presenting evidence of the WWS and Wights. And Westeros going to war.
TBH-Baurus has been inconsistent with the pacing of his updates, so its hard to tell when it will be finished. Probably by the end of this year.
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I wanted to like it but the story just dragged forever. That is a problem that I have in a lot of time loop stories. They just tend to feel long and move to slow. The loops are a bit different but still feel like the chapters are similar and make me lose interest.
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Its sort of meandering in the early chapters, slow in the Yi-Ti arc(from what I've heard), and then picks up in the Bloody Lion arc(which is great), the blackworks loop is awesome, the magic training arc is so so, the oxcross arc fine, and the final arc has been slow but is picking up.
I love PD, and would recommend to anyone asking for ASOIAF fanfiction.
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So speaking of Purple Days-I wanted to discuss a post Joffrey loop scenario.
Chapters 31-33.
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Basically Ned attempts his coup and dies in the throne room, Bran is slain as well attempting to escape the Red Keep.
Robb stark comes down and Joffrey goes to meet him in the Riverlands. Through heavy fighting and strategic acumen-Joffrey prevails and Robb is slain. Alongside Jon and Theon. Catelyn is presumed dead.
However Joffrey dies of his wounds. Little finger has wormed his way to becoming hand and Tyrion has been assassinated.
Basically Joff dies.
The north is subjugated under Bolton rule(though the Riverlands and north are defeated in open battle not canon’s betrayal and perfidy).
Stannis is coming
And so is Renly.
Joffrey is dead with LF in the capital and the Lannister’s victorious in a short decisive campaign in the Riverlands.
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With the Starks defeated early-this means Stannis and Renly must make hard for the capital before Tywin and both Rivermen and Westermen can make for it.
I think this could be an interesting change of pace from canon with these butterflies.
The ironborn have not yet attacked either.
So you have the Lannister’s in ostensibly stronger position but with no Tyrell alliance, LF has the keys to the chickens coup and both Baratheon brothers now have every incentive to attack now.
The ironborn also could raid the western coast with Tywin’s attention turned eastward.
Do Stannis and Renly race to take the capital ahead of each other? What is LF’s play here? If Cersei made him hand-does he put up some sort of defense or crash the Lannister ship and make hay while the barn burns?
Ultimately I think you could see King’s landing falling at least twice-potentially to Stannis or Renly and then to Tywin(possibly). Or one Baratheon brother would take the city first and try to hold it against both the Lannister’s and the other brother.
I could see LF trying to play both ends against the middle-offering to bring the vale into the war, both for Renly and for Tommen. Maybe not outright undermining the Lannister defense, but hedging his bets and looking to change sides if things go bad. If Stannis wins-get out of the city and go hide behind Lysa’s skirts. If Renly wins, say he was undermining the Lannister defense, say he opened the gate(or actually open the gate), if the lannisters win, play the resolute hand who took over after the Imp’s death and held the fort, being richly rewarded in scenario two and three.
Summary of events:
-Starks smashed Northmen and Rivermen bend the knee to Joffrey(who dies of his wounds)
-Tyrion poisoned and LF is hand
-Renly and the Tyrell’s have not attacked
-nor has Stannis
-or the ironborn
-with Tyrion dead and LF in charge, as well as most of the crownlands levies in the Riverlands having fought with Joffrey, the capital is very vulnerable.
@Ganurath thoughts?
Chapters 31-33.
Purple Days (ASOIAF Joffrey Timeloop) (AU)
Blurb: From one day to the other, Joffrey Baratheon wakes up a changed man. Far from the spoiled...
forums.spacebattles.com
Basically Ned attempts his coup and dies in the throne room, Bran is slain as well attempting to escape the Red Keep.
Robb stark comes down and Joffrey goes to meet him in the Riverlands. Through heavy fighting and strategic acumen-Joffrey prevails and Robb is slain. Alongside Jon and Theon. Catelyn is presumed dead.
However Joffrey dies of his wounds. Little finger has wormed his way to becoming hand and Tyrion has been assassinated.
Basically Joff dies.
The north is subjugated under Bolton rule(though the Riverlands and north are defeated in open battle not canon’s betrayal and perfidy).
Stannis is coming
And so is Renly.
Joffrey is dead with LF in the capital and the Lannister’s victorious in a short decisive campaign in the Riverlands.
Purple Days (ASOIAF Joffrey Timeloop) (AU)
Blurb: From one day to the other, Joffrey Baratheon wakes up a changed man. Far from the spoiled...
forums.spacebattles.com
With the Starks defeated early-this means Stannis and Renly must make hard for the capital before Tywin and both Rivermen and Westermen can make for it.
I think this could be an interesting change of pace from canon with these butterflies.
The ironborn have not yet attacked either.
So you have the Lannister’s in ostensibly stronger position but with no Tyrell alliance, LF has the keys to the chickens coup and both Baratheon brothers now have every incentive to attack now.
The ironborn also could raid the western coast with Tywin’s attention turned eastward.
Do Stannis and Renly race to take the capital ahead of each other? What is LF’s play here? If Cersei made him hand-does he put up some sort of defense or crash the Lannister ship and make hay while the barn burns?
Ultimately I think you could see King’s landing falling at least twice-potentially to Stannis or Renly and then to Tywin(possibly). Or one Baratheon brother would take the city first and try to hold it against both the Lannister’s and the other brother.
I could see LF trying to play both ends against the middle-offering to bring the vale into the war, both for Renly and for Tommen. Maybe not outright undermining the Lannister defense, but hedging his bets and looking to change sides if things go bad. If Stannis wins-get out of the city and go hide behind Lysa’s skirts. If Renly wins, say he was undermining the Lannister defense, say he opened the gate(or actually open the gate), if the lannisters win, play the resolute hand who took over after the Imp’s death and held the fort, being richly rewarded in scenario two and three.
Summary of events:
-Starks smashed Northmen and Rivermen bend the knee to Joffrey(who dies of his wounds)
-Tyrion poisoned and LF is hand
-Renly and the Tyrell’s have not attacked
-nor has Stannis
-or the ironborn
-with Tyrion dead and LF in charge, as well as most of the crownlands levies in the Riverlands having fought with Joffrey, the capital is very vulnerable.
@Ganurath thoughts?
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Ganurath
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I wasn't interested in reading Purple Days before. Well, I was, several months ago, but then I actually got to doing it, and that killed my interest like it was Jon Arryn talking to his wife about fostering. Seeking context for the AU you're proposing isn't sufficient cause to do so, but from a glance it doesn't look like the AU you're proposing is something I'd want to read, either.
That said, how the fuck would Littlefinger escape Stannis winning the city?
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I’m not sure what you mean here. Jon Arryn is dead at the beginning of every loop. What killed your interest? Or are using that as a simile?
He has his own people in various places and LF would have contingencies if things went south. In the event of Stannis looking the victor, he’d probably be out the door faster than you can say treason. And leave Cersei to fend for herself.
Praise for PD aside(and I do think it is the best ongoing ASOIAF fanfiction at this time), one thing it does well is develop various alternate Wot5K scenarios. Which can be explored in their own right. Once Joffrey dies. And the loop continues. (And Baurus has given his blessing to continue said loops if any of his readers desire).
What do you not like about it? If you don’t mind my asking?
CarlManvers2019
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I think GRRM read HP Lovecraft's works for inspiration, guy even has "Deep Ones" in his lore
Odds are humans did evolve relatively recently and beings like the Others are aliens or eldritch horrors or their servants and similar
Mankind and many other animals did evolve, but the Planetos was already home to other pre-human civilizations that may have gone to war with one another like HP Lovecraft's "history"
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Its slow in the beginning. Probably until the end of the Yi-Ti arc(which I skipped having hopped on the train around the time Sansa became co protagonist)
Now? At chapter 75? It’s excellent professional level writing. And has been great for the past forty chapters. If not longer.
Of course I can understand why someone wouldn’t want to slog through that long.
All I can say, is that when it ends, there will be a massive loss for ASOIAF fanfics, and a very very high bar to jump. That likely won’t be cleared for a very very very long time.
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The Grey Joy
Early in Robert's Rebellion
Late in coming to the dining hall, Harlon could hear the sound of his half-brothers arguing with their father before he had even seen any of them. News must have arrived about the state of the war, then. Bracing himself for the shouting match, Harlon pushed on a pair of heavy wooden doors, letting the unrestrained noise wash over him as a bracing tide. "What news of the war, then?"
His father grimaced, but Urrigon and Aeron were quickly trying to talk over one another. Both stopped when they realized the other was talking, and Aeron was quicker to resume his words. "The Redwyne fleet has launched for the east!"
"Along with the Reachmen marching on land," Balon picked up where their younger brothers had left off, "I think they're going to lay siege to Storm's End."
"Enough to show loyalty to the dragons, but not enough to actually do anything to stop BAratheon and his allies." Harlon nodded thoughtfully, considering the implications for the Iron Islands. The Reach would be vulnerable in a way it hadn't been in decades. It still left the Westerlands unaccounted for, though, which would be why the Lord Reaper of Pyke was still arguing. Harlon turned his focus to the man in question as he made his way to his seat at the table. "No Lannister action?"
"Not yet, which is why we can't act yet!" Quellon Greyjoy hammered a fist on the table, causing the opposite end to lift slightly before crashing back down. Impressive, given the length of it. Their father must be truly cross. "Harlon, talk some sense into your brothers. It's clear they'll not hear it from me."
Harlon looked over his brothers. Urrigon and Aeron were too young to fight themselves; they just wanted glory and riches for the Iron Islands. Victarion was similar, save that he was old enough to taste that glory personally. Balon, though, was committed to bringing back the Old Way any way he knew how. Any argument would need to be with him, so Harlon looked at him directly. "If we launch as soon as possible, Lannister will deploy his fleet to strike us from behind, or strike our homes while the Iron Fleet is away. Which side he takes in the war isn't relevant; that we're still paying a 'bride price' for the salt wives taken from Fair Isle shows he still holds a grudge."
Balon frowned, but it was a thoughtful one. Even before the war had broken out, the two of them had tried to convince their father to stop making payments to the Lannisters out of the tax on salt wives. Harlon used the silence to get in a mouthful of bacon, but had barely begun chewing when Urrigon interjected. "We can't just do nothing!"
Harlon nodded in agreement, but pointed at his mouthful of food while looking at his father expectantly. Sighing, the elder Greyjoy took up the argument for him. "We aren't going to do nothing, we're just not doing anything yet. We need to see some sign of action from the Lions before we can act."
"We can't just wait, father!" Balon rose from his seat, the scrapping of wood against stone drawing all eyes in the room. Harlon's wife and stepmother had even ceased their quietly snipping at one another to look toward Balon in surprise. Harlon reached for his drink in order to wash down the bacon, hoping to get a word in before Balon said something stupid. Their father was already rising as well. "The opportunity to strike at the Reach is too valuable to ignore!"
"If I say we wait, we wait!" Harlon's eyes drifted to Urrigon and Aeron at that, as he wiped away the drink that had slipped through the scaling of his lower lip. Their father hadn't used that tone since Euron was sent to the Wall. "I will not let the Iron Islands fall to ruin by misrule!"
"Father. Balon." Harlon looked at the two of them expectantly, but waited until they were both looking his way to speak. He needed to get their focus off each other before someone threw a punch, or had a heart attack. "Would you agree that, if we could launch with confidence that the Lannisters wouldn't retaliate, we would?"
Balon nodded immediately, seating himself back down as he did, and after a moment their father nodded as well. "Aye, but no such assurances have been made."
"So, we tell Lord Tywin we're mustering to attack the Reach, and that if he has objections, his written word will be enough to get us to withhold action against the Reach. If he gives us support or silence, we force the Tyrells to withdraw their siege on Storm's End, and take in a bounty in the process. If not..." Harlon grinned, holding up a piece of bacon that he'd punctuate his words by biting into. "We take Hoare's way into the Riverlands."
Predictably, the table exploded into various voices at that, all from his brothers. His father, though, was looking at Harlon with a judging gaze. As Aeron received a refresher on the relevant history, Harlon shifted to face his father fully, swallowing his bacon before speaking. "We can't send all our ships across the land route to the Blue Fork, so we'd still have forces to defend against the Lannisters, and going through Ironman's Bay means they can't hit those we do send from behind. It wouldn't provide the riches that the Reach would, but key support for a rebel victory would see the Iron Islands prosper despite whatever lingering grudge Lord Tywin might hold."
"If he objects, the deception might rekindle his grudge."
Harlon smirked, nodding. "If he objects, he'd be on the losing side of the war. Three Kingdoms are already rising against the dragons, the Riverlands are sure to follow, and the Reach will do the least they can because the Tyrells know they won't hold their seat if they commit to the losing side."
Lord Quellon nodded, then sat back down and looked toward the Piper cow he called a wife. "You know the nobles of the Riverlands better than I, dear. How might Lord Mallister react to Harlon's plan?"
The woman made a show of looking upward in thought, humming in consideration to drive home that her input was going to impact the decision. The woman had never liked Harlon, not after he'd taken the rock wife that he had. "Under most circumstances, I'd say he'd act against the Iron Fleet out of spite. If I recall correctly, though, one of the Mallister boys was in Brandon Stark's party that was arrested in King's Landing."
Harlon nodded, remembering Brandon's retinue from the Tourney at Harrenhal. He'd only attended for the melee, and because his father had insisted upon the Iron Islands being represented. "Jeffory Mallister, the heir to Seagard."
The woman's smile faltered slightly at that, which in turn caused Harlon's Mara to smirk. The greenlander pretended not to notice, though. "I could see him putting aside old grudges, if it might save his heir. If we sent word ahead declaring support for Robert, and promising to do what we could to free Ser Jeffory-"
Harlon's father waved a hand dismissively, cutting off further talk from the woman. Lord Quellon had married the woman to make his efforts to appease the Lannisters less obvious for what they were, and more like the reforms he pretended that they were. The woman let her position get to her head, though. Harlon wondered, in his quieter moments with Mara, whether she might go as far as kinslaying to see Robin inherit ahead of him. Harlon had too many brothers to make it something that could realistically succeed, but the woman didn't hide her hate for Mara's origins as a bastard.
"There's risk of retaliation if Lord Tywin is silent, but it's not the blind leap I've heard so much support for before today. Let's finish breaking our fast, for now. Word will go out for the Iron Fleet to gather at Pyke before the day is done."
Early in Robert's Rebellion
Late in coming to the dining hall, Harlon could hear the sound of his half-brothers arguing with their father before he had even seen any of them. News must have arrived about the state of the war, then. Bracing himself for the shouting match, Harlon pushed on a pair of heavy wooden doors, letting the unrestrained noise wash over him as a bracing tide. "What news of the war, then?"
His father grimaced, but Urrigon and Aeron were quickly trying to talk over one another. Both stopped when they realized the other was talking, and Aeron was quicker to resume his words. "The Redwyne fleet has launched for the east!"
"Along with the Reachmen marching on land," Balon picked up where their younger brothers had left off, "I think they're going to lay siege to Storm's End."
"Enough to show loyalty to the dragons, but not enough to actually do anything to stop BAratheon and his allies." Harlon nodded thoughtfully, considering the implications for the Iron Islands. The Reach would be vulnerable in a way it hadn't been in decades. It still left the Westerlands unaccounted for, though, which would be why the Lord Reaper of Pyke was still arguing. Harlon turned his focus to the man in question as he made his way to his seat at the table. "No Lannister action?"
"Not yet, which is why we can't act yet!" Quellon Greyjoy hammered a fist on the table, causing the opposite end to lift slightly before crashing back down. Impressive, given the length of it. Their father must be truly cross. "Harlon, talk some sense into your brothers. It's clear they'll not hear it from me."
Harlon looked over his brothers. Urrigon and Aeron were too young to fight themselves; they just wanted glory and riches for the Iron Islands. Victarion was similar, save that he was old enough to taste that glory personally. Balon, though, was committed to bringing back the Old Way any way he knew how. Any argument would need to be with him, so Harlon looked at him directly. "If we launch as soon as possible, Lannister will deploy his fleet to strike us from behind, or strike our homes while the Iron Fleet is away. Which side he takes in the war isn't relevant; that we're still paying a 'bride price' for the salt wives taken from Fair Isle shows he still holds a grudge."
Balon frowned, but it was a thoughtful one. Even before the war had broken out, the two of them had tried to convince their father to stop making payments to the Lannisters out of the tax on salt wives. Harlon used the silence to get in a mouthful of bacon, but had barely begun chewing when Urrigon interjected. "We can't just do nothing!"
Harlon nodded in agreement, but pointed at his mouthful of food while looking at his father expectantly. Sighing, the elder Greyjoy took up the argument for him. "We aren't going to do nothing, we're just not doing anything yet. We need to see some sign of action from the Lions before we can act."
"We can't just wait, father!" Balon rose from his seat, the scrapping of wood against stone drawing all eyes in the room. Harlon's wife and stepmother had even ceased their quietly snipping at one another to look toward Balon in surprise. Harlon reached for his drink in order to wash down the bacon, hoping to get a word in before Balon said something stupid. Their father was already rising as well. "The opportunity to strike at the Reach is too valuable to ignore!"
"If I say we wait, we wait!" Harlon's eyes drifted to Urrigon and Aeron at that, as he wiped away the drink that had slipped through the scaling of his lower lip. Their father hadn't used that tone since Euron was sent to the Wall. "I will not let the Iron Islands fall to ruin by misrule!"
"Father. Balon." Harlon looked at the two of them expectantly, but waited until they were both looking his way to speak. He needed to get their focus off each other before someone threw a punch, or had a heart attack. "Would you agree that, if we could launch with confidence that the Lannisters wouldn't retaliate, we would?"
Balon nodded immediately, seating himself back down as he did, and after a moment their father nodded as well. "Aye, but no such assurances have been made."
"So, we tell Lord Tywin we're mustering to attack the Reach, and that if he has objections, his written word will be enough to get us to withhold action against the Reach. If he gives us support or silence, we force the Tyrells to withdraw their siege on Storm's End, and take in a bounty in the process. If not..." Harlon grinned, holding up a piece of bacon that he'd punctuate his words by biting into. "We take Hoare's way into the Riverlands."
Predictably, the table exploded into various voices at that, all from his brothers. His father, though, was looking at Harlon with a judging gaze. As Aeron received a refresher on the relevant history, Harlon shifted to face his father fully, swallowing his bacon before speaking. "We can't send all our ships across the land route to the Blue Fork, so we'd still have forces to defend against the Lannisters, and going through Ironman's Bay means they can't hit those we do send from behind. It wouldn't provide the riches that the Reach would, but key support for a rebel victory would see the Iron Islands prosper despite whatever lingering grudge Lord Tywin might hold."
"If he objects, the deception might rekindle his grudge."
Harlon smirked, nodding. "If he objects, he'd be on the losing side of the war. Three Kingdoms are already rising against the dragons, the Riverlands are sure to follow, and the Reach will do the least they can because the Tyrells know they won't hold their seat if they commit to the losing side."
Lord Quellon nodded, then sat back down and looked toward the Piper cow he called a wife. "You know the nobles of the Riverlands better than I, dear. How might Lord Mallister react to Harlon's plan?"
The woman made a show of looking upward in thought, humming in consideration to drive home that her input was going to impact the decision. The woman had never liked Harlon, not after he'd taken the rock wife that he had. "Under most circumstances, I'd say he'd act against the Iron Fleet out of spite. If I recall correctly, though, one of the Mallister boys was in Brandon Stark's party that was arrested in King's Landing."
Harlon nodded, remembering Brandon's retinue from the Tourney at Harrenhal. He'd only attended for the melee, and because his father had insisted upon the Iron Islands being represented. "Jeffory Mallister, the heir to Seagard."
The woman's smile faltered slightly at that, which in turn caused Harlon's Mara to smirk. The greenlander pretended not to notice, though. "I could see him putting aside old grudges, if it might save his heir. If we sent word ahead declaring support for Robert, and promising to do what we could to free Ser Jeffory-"
Harlon's father waved a hand dismissively, cutting off further talk from the woman. Lord Quellon had married the woman to make his efforts to appease the Lannisters less obvious for what they were, and more like the reforms he pretended that they were. The woman let her position get to her head, though. Harlon wondered, in his quieter moments with Mara, whether she might go as far as kinslaying to see Robin inherit ahead of him. Harlon had too many brothers to make it something that could realistically succeed, but the woman didn't hide her hate for Mara's origins as a bastard.
"There's risk of retaliation if Lord Tywin is silent, but it's not the blind leap I've heard so much support for before today. Let's finish breaking our fast, for now. Word will go out for the Iron Fleet to gather at Pyke before the day is done."
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Are you planning on an ironborn fic?
Ganurath
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I've had the idea in my head for a while now, and am testing the waters for reactions.
...No pun intended.
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Is it the ironborn side with the royalists? Or did I misread it?
Ganurath
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Oh, you misread it. The Ironborn plan is as follows:
1. Gather the Iron Fleet. At the same time, send a message to Tywin telling him "We're attacking the Reach. You got a problem with that?"
2a. If Tywin doesn't express a problem with that, the Iron Fleet sacks the Reach, giving the royalists a bad enough time to break or even prevent the Siege of Storm's End, and get rich in the process.
2b. If Tywin does have a problem with that, which implies a royalist Tywin, the lighter ships of the Iron Fleet would go to Ironman's Bay and get taken over land to the Blue Fork, to support Robert and his allies in the Riverlands, giving the royalists a bad time while the strongest ships of the Iron Fleet defend the Iron Islands against reprisal from Tywin. Not as much loot or glory to be had, but the more direct support of Robert would promise greater political rewards, such as forcing the royalist!Tywin to back off on what concessions he'd been extracting from the Iron Islands due to raiding during the "rule" of Tytos Lannister.