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You've already been given the exact numbers from public records, there is nothing secret or hidden about them. That you can't be arsed to verify public information is not my problem, it's a you problem.

Actually, Agent, she was comparing developmental aircraft, not over entire lifespan of program. AKA Apples to Apples. Right now the F-15 is arguably the greatest combat aircraft to have ever flown, yet it had a very troubled development of its own which saw critics demanding the program's...

I will neither confirm nor deny that it was the December 1990 issue.

Pretty much, yeah. I actually just found the... magazine... one of the articles was reprinted in, it was also in the NYT Magazine and Time, but the one I have is... Playboy 8-)

To get a good analysis of F-35 development you have to realize that it is actually 3 separate base airframes rolled into a single program. The most troublesome of them being the F-35B. By comparison, it took over thirty years for the AV-8 series to become combat capable, and arguably it was...

Same with every single Soviet system. I remember back in the runup to Desert Storm there were constant articles about how the F-15 was useless, the Abrams was trash, every single bit of kit in the US inventory was garbage, etc etc etc. Those people are the same ones trashing the F-35 today.

Boeing Clipper>Short Sunderland fite me

I will once again point out to people that the evidence for the A-10's superior survivability vis-a-vis the F-16 in IAD environments has been posted earlier in the thread, despite @Aaron Fox regularly ignoring it and simply repeating his tired old talking points ad infinitum. In combat...

Lazerpig is generally an idiot, and so are you in this case. The A-10 was considered exceptionally effective, so much so that the Fighter Mafia panicked and tried to suppress all reports about it in their eternal quest to kill it off. Frankly, you've had the data about the A-10 thrown at you...

This isn't Lockheed, this is Northrup Grumman. It has NOT flown yet, they've said this over and over again, what was rolled out was the first prototype which will start flight testing next year. Which they also said over and over again.

Plus those tubes can be used to fire MOSS decoys in the event that you need to break contact, because Lord Admiral Murphy always has a say in things, and just when you decide that you no longer require X is when it becomes critical to have X

Your understanding, as usual, is grossly deficient.

No, the US refrains from attacking peer opponents directly because of two words. Nuclear fucking weapons

*rolls eyes* Prove it. I have presented the data, that your precious fast-movers were more vulnerable and took heavier losses at all levels of permissive environments than the A-10, that the A-10 was more efficient, more effective, and more useful than all but the heavy bombers in the same...

The GAU-8 is firing a ballisticly superior round at almost three times the velocity as the BK 3.7 mounted on the JU-87G. Even the shell masses are comparable despite the larger diameter of the german round. The weapon readily penetrated over 200mm of effective armor thickness (a 110mm RHA...

*rolls eyes* You claim that the 'training manuals' say that, yet in actual testing against actual vehicles the GAU-8 did *just fine*, plus the A-10 at no point needed to be modified, upgraded, etc etc etc for guided munitions, it came with Maverick from the start. You have absolutely no...

That's because the A-10 suffered far lower losses than the F-16 or any other platform, including early in the conflict, and this was despite the A-10's ROE effectively preventing them from using their planned tactics. Again, whenever IADS fails to annihilate A-10s like the fast mover mafia...

To Aaron, if the A-10 is successful in a conflict this automatically proves that the IADS facing them was incompetent. When the same IADS shoots down one of his precious fast movers or a stealth platform it is super competent and proves that we need to get rid of the A-10.

We again see Aaron being utterly clueless, a mindless promoter of the fast mover mafia, and endlessly arguing in bad faith. Have you ever bothered to read the actual design specs, Aaron? The main weapon for the A-10 was always the Maverick missile, the GAU-8 was the secondary weapon system for...

I take it you've never been privileged to be at an A-10 flyover. I have, you don't hear them until they pass over. Those engines are mounted in such a way that most of the noise is radiated up and behind, and they aren't very loud to begin with. If they manage to further suppress the IIR...