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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    Yup. Bad enough to get sued to shit if no political shenanigans shield the culprits, not bad enough to vindicate all the doomers and conspiracy theorists who were talking about 30\60\80\99% killshot, who in turn get used by media as the strawman to discredit the more reasonable dissenters from...
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    While out of the whole Israel, if they wanted to arrange a black op to sink an American ship for reasons and not get caught, they would find some people who aren't idiots with obsolete gear to do it at least somewhat competently.
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    Yup, so we know why there were leftover torps of this model after WW2 now.
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    Wrong... http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTIT_List.php#45_cm_%2817.7%22%29_W_200%2F450_x_5.75
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    Yes. Unguided torpedoes... It's why WW2 submarines generally didn't fire above 2-3km, and often preferred to get much closer than that, even though the torpedoes had much more maximum range. Sure, a spread fired against a convoy at such range could make sense, but against a single ship, waste of...
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    Shitty unguided WW2 torpedos being inaccurate AT 6KM RANGE is not a miracle, it is expected.
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    As we saw, not one of this size, with just one hit. Israel had proper anti ship weapons to use on the aircraft. Plain 500kg or 1000kg SAP or even GP bombs would do. But instead attacked it with friggin napalm and light rockets, shit that will not sink a decently sized ship, period. But the...
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    After all the other ridiculous stuff from the air. Which were WW2 Italian torpedos, decades old at the time. And no, one of them did hit. The rest missed because Liberty dodged, no evasive action was recorded, it's just because the torpedos were slow and hard to aim WW2 relics. Still not...
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    The article explains that completely. There is no "they", 60's Israel had no hivemind or even some RTS\sci fi style unified battle command system, or even modern military comms. It was WW2 style one based on voice radio, written reports and paper maps. While Air Force realized first that it's an...
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    Which is a big hole in the conspiracy theories. If it was some super secret black op to get USA into the war or something, it would be made to sink, or at least it would be attacked with decent anti ship weapons likely to make it happen, rather than randomly scrounged up navy and air force...
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    Read the article. It explains why and how it happened with more detail than usual shitposter points.
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    So the same as the shit you link, except minus the details and actually knowing what you're talking about. Plausible deniability on part of you repeating random bullshit you saw on the internet. You have no rational argument against what was said in that article and we both know it. No, i...
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    Well then, why the fuck didn't they sink it? Why did they not use weapons that actually sink ships instead of harassing it with ground attack weapons like cannons, light rockets and friggin napalm??? https://tboverse.com/viewtopic.php?p=853 This is a write up of the incident by a pro naval...
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    If you think China didn't know what research their premier biolab staffed with their military connected scientists was working on and was not ok with that, i have a bridge to sell you. Don't excuse the CCP, it's ridiculous. We all know why they invite western companies to do stuff in their...
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/25/timeline-how-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-suddenly-became-credible/ Well Tom Cotton is one rather pro-establishment GOP congresscritter who was not discounting the lab theory from the beginning and got kinda famous for it, and there are more. From...
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    Do you even know the specific lobbies involved, motivations, who pushed for what, and if it's even the same people who made the decision to bullshit around it that have also made the decision to change the official line now?
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    >them There are many lobbies in the establishment, trust me, some certainly are still against it. Does it *have* to be a virtuous act, rather than purely pragmatic one? So, the problem is in no way with the people who wanted it out, and have finally gotten their way. The problem is that the...
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    Kinda, part of it. The current US leadership is not famous for its competence, so it's easy to imagine there was a lot of running around like headless chickens and their plate was already full with immediate problems, nevermind with all the more and less malicious interventions by China lobby...
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    Or conversely, perhaps because it was particularly inconvenient for them to cross this Rubicon back then? Considering the chaotic nature of supply lines back then, wouldn't that make a lot more sense?
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    China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

    "support more war" This isn't about "muh war", this isn't about US pet peeves, internal narratives and social movements, stop navel gazing for a moment and listen. This is ass backwards analysis of the chain of events. No one thinks like this. There are no muh war Khornate like leaders in the...
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