United States 2021 VA, NJ & MD Statewide Thread

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Airedale260

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49ersfootball said:
Ciattarelli is betting on backlash against whoever the Dem nominee is in 2025. If the Dems (God forbid) keeps the White House in 2024, the NJ GOP almost certainly wins back Drumthwacket (Residence of the NJ Governor).
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Probably, unless something drastically stupid happens. This state *is* mindlessly Democrat in several areas...

Mind you I voted for Ciattarelli but even I didn't expect the backlash. I think it's getting to the point where the middle class (which generally was "meh" prior to all this going "Huh. Maybe the Republicans have a point and the problems the state has really ARE due to decades of Democratic mismanagement").

The Whispering Monk said:
So I just found this regarding NJ debt loads....

"The TIA report said that New Jersey “had $31.7 billion available to pay $216.9 billion worth of bills. The outcome was a $185.2 billion shortfall.”"
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Oh, my state is a clusterfuck when it comes to finances. The problem is they have started to run out of gimmicks so now the full brunt of the state's tax and debt burden is asserting itself.

There's a reason we are consistently at or near the top of people LOLNope-ing out of here (usually fighting Alaska for the top spot although Connecticut weighs in for the same reasons we do).

49ersfootball said:
I should warn you that the VA Dems will bounce back in 2025 IF GOP wins back the Presidency in 2024.

I still strongly have United States Senators Tim Kaine (D-VA) & Mark Warner (D-VA) winning reelection in 2024 & 2026 respectively.
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Warner, probably. Kaine...hard to say. If 2024 is a major backlash against Biden (whether he's the candidate or not) he might get wiped out.

I'd also note that "ideological purity" is something that has bitten the GOP in the ass in a couple of areas. One can't expect, say, Ben Sasse to win in a place like Northern Virginia or NYC any more than one can expect AOC to win in Nebraska.

Still, given the right candidate I think Kaine could be knocked out. If the Democrats win in 2024 then there's a good chance the GOP may actually oust Warner in '26.
 
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49ersfootball

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Airedale260 said:
Probably, unless something drastically stupid happens. This state *is* mindlessly Democrat in several areas...

Mind you I voted for Ciattarelli but even I didn't expect the backlash. I think it's getting to the point where the middle class (which generally was "meh" prior to all this going "Huh. Maybe the Republicans have a point and the problems the state has really ARE due to decades of Democratic mismanagement").



Oh, my state is a clusterfuck when it comes to finances. The problem is they have started to run out of gimmicks so now the full brunt of the state's tax and debt burden is asserting itself.

There's a reason we are consistently at or near the top of people LOLNope-ing out of here (usually fighting Alaska for the top spot although Connecticut weighs in for the same reasons we do).



Warner, probably. Kaine...hard to say. If 2024 is a major backlash against Biden (whether he's the candidate or not) he might get wiped out.

I'd also note that "ideological purity" is something that has bitten the GOP in the ass in a couple of areas. One can't expect, say, Ben Sasse to win in a place like Northern Virginia or NYC any more than one can expect AOC to win in Nebraska.

Still, given the right candidate I think Kaine could be knocked out. If the Democrats win in 2024 then there's a good chance the GOP may actually oust Warner in '26.
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Kaine has NEVER lost an election in VA ever plus he's won 5 statewide elections:
*2001: VA Lieutenant Governor
*2005: VA Governor
*2012: United States Senator
*2016: VP Dem nominee
*2018: United States Senator
 
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Airedale260

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49ersfootball said:
Kaine has NEVER lost an election in VA ever plus he's won 5 statewide elections:
*2001: VA Lieutenant Governor
*2005: VA Governor
*2012: United States Senator
*2016: VP Dem nominee
*2018: United States Senator
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2001: Backlash against George W. Bush (advantage: Democrats)

2005: See 2001.

2012: Barack Obama re-elected (slight advantage, Democrats)

2016: Virginia leans blue in presidential election.

2018: Backlash against Donald Trump.

So based on those, it's less "He's really popular" and more "He's moderately popular with the good fortune of being in election cycles favorable to Democrats."
 
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49ersfootball

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Airedale260 said:
2001: Backlash against George W. Bush (advantage: Democrats)

2005: See 2001.

2012: Barack Obama re-elected (slight advantage, Democrats)

2016: Virginia leans blue in presidential election.

2018: Backlash against Donald Trump.

So based on those, it's less "He's really popular" and more "He's moderately popular with the good fortune of being in election cycles favorable to Democrats."
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It also helps when he's the son-in-law of the late VA Governor Linwood Holton (R).
 
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WolfBear

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Airedale260 said:
Probably, unless something drastically stupid happens. This state *is* mindlessly Democrat in several areas...

Mind you I voted for Ciattarelli but even I didn't expect the backlash. I think it's getting to the point where the middle class (which generally was "meh" prior to all this going "Huh. Maybe the Republicans have a point and the problems the state has really ARE due to decades of Democratic mismanagement").



Oh, my state is a clusterfuck when it comes to finances. The problem is they have started to run out of gimmicks so now the full brunt of the state's tax and debt burden is asserting itself.

There's a reason we are consistently at or near the top of people LOLNope-ing out of here (usually fighting Alaska for the top spot although Connecticut weighs in for the same reasons we do).



Warner, probably. Kaine...hard to say. If 2024 is a major backlash against Biden (whether he's the candidate or not) he might get wiped out.

I'd also note that "ideological purity" is something that has bitten the GOP in the ass in a couple of areas. One can't expect, say, Ben Sasse to win in a place like Northern Virginia or NYC any more than one can expect AOC to win in Nebraska.

Still, given the right candidate I think Kaine could be knocked out. If the Democrats win in 2024 then there's a good chance the GOP may actually oust Warner in '26.
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What's interesting is that Chris Christie was able to win in New Jersey in 2009 and 2013 in spite of him being anti-abortion--and in 2013, he won by a giant margin! This was before Bridgegate, of course.

But Yeah, ordinary people probably care much less about things such as abortion and much more about things such as CRT and maybe trans girls in female sports. But especially CRT since it portrays all whites as either evil oppressors or passive accomplices in evil oppression.
 
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WolfBear

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The GOP of 2005 only cared about foreign wars, tax cuts, abortion, same-sex marriage, abstinence-only sex education, teaching intelligent designs in public schools, and the like. The GOP of 2025 will care much more about things such as the Great Replacement, CRT, Wokeness, cancel culture, and non-interventionism (except when it will come to both Iran and Ukraine). I'd say that the GOP of 2025 is an improvement over the GOP of 2005. Let's just hope that the GOP of 2045 will be a significant improvement over the GOP of 2025.
 
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Cherico

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WolfBear said:
The GOP of 2005 only cared about foreign wars, tax cuts, abortion, same-sex marriage, abstinence-only sex education, teaching intelligent designs in public schools, and the like. The GOP of 2025 will care much more about things such as the Great Replacement, CRT, Wokeness, cancel culture, and non-interventionism (except when it will come to both Iran and Ukraine). I'd say that the GOP of 2025 is an improvement over the GOP of 2005. Let's just hope that the GOP of 2045 will be a significant improvement over the GOP of 2025.
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Cancel culture is a problem for you too
 
Tiamat

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I've seen the future...
The new admin is getting to work.


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49ersfootball

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Tiamat said:
The new admin is getting to work.


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Virginia Gov. Youngkin's day-one executive orders include investigating Loudoun County officials, CRT ban

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Virginia's new AG Jason Miyares announces major investigations within hours of taking office

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The Civil Rights Division was bound to get gutted.
 
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