United States 2024: United States Senate Dicussion Thread

[DarthOne]

... Oz is also "No Guns!", so jokes on you there. We voted for the only pro gun candidate available. Why did you vote against gun rights? Why'd you vote for transitioning kids? Why'd you vote for the jab? Those are the better questions you should be asking yourself.

Because there was at least some sort of reasonable chance that Oz might have backed down from that or not gone through with it. And because it was either that, throw away my vote by not voting or voting libertarian.

Which amounts to the same thing in the end: more Democrats getting into seats of power who almost certainly WILL be gun grabbers and WILL push the clot-shot and child transitioning.

 

[Bacle]

Be more specific by “National divorce”??

If you’re advocating secession….not happening. That experiment was tried one already and didn’t end well.

Think less 1865, more Eastern/Western Roman Empire; there are ways it can happen peacefully, if people are willing to admit the 'brotherly bonds' and Constitution have been effectively rendered moot by fuckery from both major parties.

Perhaps even just keeping the current states, but redrawing the boundaries like Eastern Oregon wants to by joining Idaho is possible as well.

A soft secession hopefully a peaceful one caused by our governors and states getting a backbone. it's becoming increasingly clear that conservative America and progressive (IE Marxist America) cannot coexist with each other if it doesn't end peacefully and quite it's going to end loud and bloody. I rather have peacefully and quiet.

in any case, I'm done voting. If the races aren't fixed, then they are left in the hands of the stupid majority. the best thing I can do is keep my head down and be ready to move to greener pastures at a moment's notice.

Reinforcing 'safe' and 'lean' red areas in the next to year is a critical, as is complete re-evaluation of what the Republican party is truly going to stand for or represent.

Leave reagan and Trump in the past, build something new that actually appeals to the modern US electorate.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Think less 1865, more Eastern/Western Roman Empire; there are ways it can happen peacefully, if people are willing to admit the 'brotherly bonds' and Constitution have been effectively rendered moot by fuckery from both major parties.

Perhaps even just keeping the current states, but redrawing the boundaries like Eastern Oregon wants to by joining Idaho is possible as well.
Reinforcing 'safe' and 'lean' red areas in the next to year is a critical, as is complete re-evaluation of what the Republican party is truly going to stand for or represent.

Leave reagan and Trump in the past, build something new that actually appeals to the modern US electorate.

the modern US electorate is what put us in this situation in the first place. Most can't even hold down a job for any significant period of time (Less than a month) and take far more out of society than they will ever put in. Wanting to "Tax the rich" While not paying in a dime.

these people don't deserve the right to control my life and determine my own prosperity. so no boo the masses.

 

[Abhorsen]

That seems very stupid and short sighted. A Repulican senate, even with Oz in it, will not pass a gun control bill. A Democrat senate with Fetterman in it very well might (and in fact it did). Arguing about how throwing your vote away on a doomed candidate is actually the good choice just sounds like trying to wiggle out of responsibility for helping Fetterman win.

First, a republican house would block them. But even then, Oz would still vote for the gun bill, just like a bunch of republican senators already did.

Because there was at least some sort of reasonable chance that Oz might have backed down from that or not gone through with it. And because it was either that, throw away my vote by not voting or voting libertarian.

Which amounts to the same thing in the end: more Democrats getting into seats of power who almost certainly WILL be gun grabbers and WILL push the clot-shot and child transitioning.

No, trust people when they tell you they are awful. I fully trust that Oz would have been on board with it, especially given all the hollywood backchannels.

Oz would have done jack shit to help libertarianism. Fetterman promises the same. Meanwhile, spoiling means that major parties have to take us seriously and listen to our demands.

No, the responsibility for a shit candidate losing lies with the shit candidate and those who nominated him. Do better next time.

 

[DarthOne]

@Abhorsen ’spoiling’ just means the Deep State sees you as a reliable pawn and pisses off everyone else at you.

 

[Bacle]

First, a republican house would block them. But even then, Oz would still vote for the gun bill, just like a bunch of republican senators already did.

No, trust people when they tell you they are awful. I fully trust that Oz would have been on board with it, especially given all the hollywood backchannels.

Oz would have done jack shit to help libertarianism. Fetterman promises the same. Meanwhile, spoiling means that major parties have to take us seriously and listen to our demands.

No, the responsibility for a shit candidate losing lies with the shit candidate and those who nominated him. Do better next time.

@Abhorsen ’spoiling’ just means the Deep State sees you as a reliable pawn and pisses off everyone else at you.

Perhaps the hardcore GOP base needs to fucking wake up to the reality the libertarian vote matters, and they cannot be dismissive of them anymore.

Ironically I do trust our elections more now, in that the numbers breakdown shows a lot of close races are decided by who the libertarians split for, and that is something I can very much believe could occur if the GOP keep's wanting to huff it's own farts all the time.

Preaching to the choir doesn't work when the margins are decided by a third party.

 

[Tiamat]

@Abhorsen ’spoiling’ just means the Deep State sees you as a reliable pawn and pisses off everyone else at you.

May as well consider me a “reliable pawn” then too.

Do I always agree with Abhorsen? Of course not, he’s a Libertarian. 😛. That said, he has a point….the GOP fielded a bunch of weak candidates backed by a narcissistic prick who is STILL whining about the 2020 election as a fraud. No, the GOP needs to ditch Trump and go with DeSantis, and start fielding better candidates, not just expect thr majority will vote Republican because Biden and the Squad are utterly useless.

As for this talk of secession….really folks, are we veering into this same damn tired topic AGAIN??? Tell you what…you all want to preach secession? Go do it. Get together and launch your movement. The rest of us will sit back and watch.

 

[Largo]

Think less 1865, more Eastern/Western Roman Empire; there are ways it can happen peacefully, if people are willing to admit the 'brotherly bonds' and Constitution have been effectively rendered moot by fuckery from both major parties.

Perhaps even just keeping the current states, but redrawing the boundaries like Eastern Oregon wants to by joining Idaho is possible as well.

That.....is not exactly the best example you could have used. To put it mildly.

 

[Abhorsen]

@Abhorsen ’spoiling’ just means the Deep State sees you as a reliable pawn and pisses off everyone else at you.

Lol, reliable pawn? You mean the Republicrats, right?

Look, I know there's not a lot of love for the libertarians right now, and probably especially for me, who's one of the crazy libertarians just barely not an AnCap. But just voting republican (or democrat) means nothing we want done happens. Far better to split the vote and have a message, in gold and black, about why you should have freedom loving people on the ballot. Ultimately, I look at most republicans and all democrats as simply part of the Uniparty, people who will vote for more regulations and laws and spend money and killing while never cutting back.

So I will not show my support for either. I will vote Gold, and I will hope for spoiling when there are no freedom candidates to show the greedy politicians that the only way to power is to promise freedom.

My only problem with the senate races is that I wanted NH to be closer so that it could get spoiled, and I'd prefer an AZ win to highlight why you should go for freedom (the Libertarian got 2% after endorsing the other candidate, it would have been a blood bath without that endorsement).

 

[Battlegrinder]

First, a republican house would block them. But even then, Oz would still vote for the gun bill, just like a bunch of republican senators already did.

And do you think that Bill would have e seen the light of day in a republican senate?

Meanwhile, spoiling means that major parties have to take us seriously and listen to our demands.

Yeah, I'm really inclined to care about what the people who handed the senate over to the Dems think now that they've done that, and certainly have no desire to take this nice little knife they planted in my back and put back in thier heart.

 

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Jones has been disturbingly on point about the elections so far.

Then again Francis E Dec is retroactively prophetical so.

 

[f1onagher]

"The best argument against democracy is a conversation with your average voter."

It's pretty clear that both parties were relying on the short memory of the electorate to win and the Dems were simply better at it. The Republicans ran an old neocon-style campaign where they promised nothing other than not being the Democrats. It's an indictment of McConnel and the rest of the legacy GOP that actually managed these campaigns. Watching Conservative Inc form its anti-Trump messaging in perfect unison before the night even turned has rather thoroughly soured me on the likes of Ben Shapiro.

I remain skeptical as to the legitimacy of any vote count that continues past three or four in the morning, but there's nothing we can do about that at this point unless you happen to live in one of the fishy districts. It's pretty clear that shenanigans aside the Democratic base showed up in a way they rarely do during midterms. I guess the thought of losing the ability to exterminate unwanted children was of particular importance to them.

My advice is to take a chill pill and avoid social media or political discussion sites until the fortification counting is finished. We'll see the aftermath soon enough and know what needs to be done then. Until that time relax, don't attack other voters/groups, and don't meltdown in front of the Bolshies. We'll be fine. Reps are picking up seats and making gains in statewide races. The fiasco in Maricopa county is now too obvious to ignore and win or lose it will likely face some form of reform. And what turned Florida red was not DeSantis, but the dissolution of the Broward county political machine.

Politics is slow and messy and the American tendency to turn it into a Sunday night football game helps no one.

 

[Abhorsen]

And do you think that Bill would have e seen the light of day in a republican senate?

Yes. And it would have passed. That had a bunch of Republican support, not just one or two senators. Trump banned bump stocks. Trump did the Jab and pushed some of the biggest losses of freedom on the American people by encouraging lockdowns. I have very little faith in the GOP politicians, with some notable exceptions.

Yeah, I'm really inclined to care about what the people who handed the senate over to the Dems think now that they've done that, and certainly have no desire to take this nice little knife they planted in my back and put back in thier heart.

Well, then you'll keep getting the knife, and never have any power. Your politicians are rarely different, so why should I give a what foot the boot is on? It's still grinding my face into the dirt, so I might as well raise a middle finger instead of asking daddy government to swap boots for the day.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

It's pretty clear that both parties were relying on the short memory of the electorate to win and the Dems were simply better at it. The Republicans ran an old neocon-style campaign where they promised nothing other than not being the Democrats. It's an indictment of McConnel and the rest of the legacy GOP that actually managed these campaigns.

The GOP still has a nasty Neocon streak. The MAGA crowds’s work is not yet done in expunging it.

That aside, as is much becoming the case throughout the Western World, running on “we’re not the other guys” simply isn’t enough anymore. Everyone is fed up with it and craving some genuine principles and policies.

 

[posh-goofiness]

Yeah, I'm really inclined to care about what the people who handed the senate over to the Dems think now that they've done that, and certainly have no desire to take this nice little knife they planted in my back and put back in thier heart.

Lol, implying Libertarians even had your back in the first place. It's very simple. Libertarians have different criteria for who they vote for. Want the Libertarian vote? Put up candidates that they align with. Don't like it? Tough. We hate the Uniparty system and keep trying to convince you to vote for someone other than them.

 

[Sergeant Foley]

Agreed. I rather would have someone that agrees with me 70 percent of the time than run a zealot and lose.

@49ersfootball just told me the Republicans now have control of the North Carolina Supreme Court (5-2).

 

[Bear Ribs]

And do you think that Bill would have e seen the light of day in a republican senate?



Yeah, I'm really inclined to care about what the people who handed the senate over to the Dems think now that they've done that, and certainly have no desire to take this nice little knife they planted in my back and put back in thier heart.

Man, I'm not fond of Libertarians in general but Republicans aren't simply entitled to their vote any more than Biden's entitled to the black vote, and pretending it's something they're owed rather than something to be earned isn't a winning strategy.

 

[Sergeant Foley]

He deserves the win after he got screwed back in 2020.

How long before the National Republicans lobby him to seek statewide office again?

Whitmer is term limited as Michigan Governor in 2026.

Stabenow will be pressured to retire in 2024 and we know Peters possibly might seek reelection in 2026 unless McDaniel runs against him.

 

[posh-goofiness]

See it's kinda worse than that. It's not that people like @Battlegrinder think they're entitled to our vote, @Bear Ribs it's that they want us to vote like them. Constantly voting against you own interests and then deluding yourself that it was alright just because it was the smallest evil. Disgusting.

 

[Sergeant Foley]

Why is everyone giving in to doom and gloom. Have you look at the most important map. The State Legislature gains.

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How did Michigan Democrats do on trying to flip both chambers of the Michigan State Legislature?