United States 2024: United States Senate Dicussion Thread

[Bacle]

Any distinct group of voters has power, it's not like the liberarians are unique in that sense. What makes them unique is that they are A) ideologically distinct, and B) not very numerous, and the latter bit is the issue. Vs trying to reach to, say, normie soccer moms that aren't politically engaged and only pull the lever out of habit, where even getting a small fraction of them to flip will earn tons of votes.

Well, after Dobbs, good luck with that.

The GOP got rid of RvW, rightly and justly; that does not mean it did not have an impact on the GOP's favorability among suburban women.

Edit: Also, libertarians are not a shrinking political group, they are a growing political group, and the hardcore base of the GOP is shrinking, so...

 

[Zachowon]

The GOP is a huge thing.
Do you know what all falls under GOP? Every type of republican.

So saying anything about parts of a die hard GOP isn't really accurate.
You fir the NeoCons. Paleocons. Etc etc

 

[Abhorsen]

Don't lie, you will never vote republican. Ever. You never will.

I have. I've voted R in the past before I was a libertarian and was still figuring out what my politics were (I voted Trump in Iowa in 2016, for example). In the future, I plan on moving to NH, where I will vote a lot of free state republicans in.

As for the idea that Libertarians should vote GOP: It's dumb. Almost none of your candidates help me. I'm not in the GOP because what GOP voters don't seem to realize is that most of your candidates are the same garbage in a different shade. They don't care about you, they just love power.

I will absolutely vote for Republicans who actually stand for something I believe in (Mike Lee, Massie, Rand Paul, DeSantis in FL and maybe in a presidential. I'm hoping for Kari Lake as well as she'll at least fix the ballot bullshit you got going on, and there will be questions about integrity until that's locked down and reliable). But there is no difference to me for a lot of republican/democrat elections, as they both hate liberty.

I will say this: one nice piece of news is the additional confidence in elections where they were run well (FL and Georgia being two big examples). That's positive change you guys caused, and good on you for doing it.

 

[DarthOne]

The thing is, Trump has to much baggage to win in 2024.
And anyone else would have a better chance especially someone like DeSantis

Exactly what the uniparty wishes to astroturf, so they can get a messy primary going.

 

[Zachowon]

Exactly what the uniparty wishes to astroturf, so they can get a messy primary going.

It is only a Uniparty if you keep that mentality.
If DeSantis was patt of it would Florida have told off all the woke shit?

 

[DarthOne]

 

[Duke Nukem]

 

[Duke Nukem]

This election should have been done yesterday.

 

[Vaermina]

Given at a minimum the Wisconsin one is literally explained in the states voting FAQ, I highly suspect you just fell for a Russian Bot post.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

or give him [Trump] better judgement.

I liked his judgement when it came to policy. He was about 9/10 for me. Covid response is the lost point.

 

[Christi]

Libertarians tend to be too idealistic for that. Democrats don’t need to pay them to be spoilers. They do that all by themselves

The night was good not great but good. The only spoiler here was Trump. The Libertarians were going to do what they always did. Trump instead of supporting Republicans attacked DeSantis. Who was supporting conservative politicans while Trump was hold back money and shit talking republicans. DeSantis made Florida, one of the fastest growing states in the union, a Republican stronghold. Where he won 11 percentage point over the democratic candidate in the Miami area.
Hell he handles the media better than Trump.

Let’s be honest, we only lost the Senate because Trump’s actions in Georgia.
If Trump had the most basic amount of sense. After 2020 he would have sat down and been a kingmaker. He could have happily enjoyed the influence he got. He chose to be a idiot.
Let’s say he won re-election. At most he would get one term. Which isn’t enough to do what he wants.


The only spoiler is Trump and I refuse to live in his cult.

 

[DarthOne]

Board of Elections Worker "Told Not to Engage" With Reporter Who Found Unattended Keys on Ballot Box

Meanwhile, in Philadelphia…

 

[Cherico]

We really need to clean up Arizona

 

[Terthna]

Keep backing Trump all you want, won't change the ego or pettiness problems Trump has, or give him better judgement.

The GOP needs to look outside the Party for 2024; the GOP needs DeSantis where he is to build a red bastion in Florida.

Except you and I both know that the GOP establishment will never allow another outsider in to take the reigns of power; they hated Trump from the outset, and worked hand in hand with their supposed enemies in the Democrats to undermine him at every turn. Sadly, it doesn't seem like the results of the midterms is going to diminish their control over the Republican party in any meaningful way.

 

[Vyor]

Hey, Abhorsen.
How can we be sure non of the Libertarian canadites that were spoilers wernt on the pay roll of the Dems?

Quite literally all of them are.

Perhaps the hardcore GOP base needs to fucking wake up to the reality the libertarian vote matters, and they cannot be dismissive of them anymore.

Most libertarians won't vote for republicans or democrats. They are non-factors.

Lol, reliable pawn? You mean the Republicrats, right?

Look, I know there's not a lot of love for the libertarians right now, and probably especially for me, who's one of the crazy libertarians just barely not an AnCap. But just voting republican (or democrat) means nothing we want done happens. Far better to split the vote and have a message, in gold and black, about why you should have freedom loving people on the ballot. Ultimately, I look at most republicans and all democrats as simply part of the Uniparty, people who will vote for more regulations and laws and spend money and killing while never cutting back.

So I will not show my support for either. I will vote Gold, and I will hope for spoiling when there are no freedom candidates to show the greedy politicians that the only way to power is to promise freedom.

My only problem with the senate races is that I wanted NH to be closer so that it could get spoiled, and I'd prefer an AZ win to highlight why you should go for freedom (the Libertarian got 2% after endorsing the other candidate, it would have been a blood bath without that endorsement).

Hey, hey, look who finances the libertarian campaigns: it isn't the wider public.

Lol, implying Libertarians even had your back in the first place. It's very simple. Libertarians have different criteria for who they vote for. Want the Libertarian vote? Put up candidates that they align with. Don't like it? Tough. We hate the Uniparty system and keep trying to convince you to vote for someone other than them.

We are voting out the uniparty. We're doing it internally instead of externally. We kicked out so many uniparty republicans in the primaries that even without flipping the senate the republicans there will still be more useful than they were before.

To be honest, I'm also tired of the constant whining that libertarians should be the ones to compromise, and I can just as easily throw that accusation back in the face of Republicans. How about Republicans be the ones to compromise?

What do you want compromise on? What do you want the republicans to give up?

as they both hate liberty.

Define that, liberty. You keep using the term, but I don#t think you know what it means in context of republican beliefs.

See, you were angry and upset about republicans not understanding your positions, right? You're doing the same thing to them right now.

 

[Prince Ire]

Lol, implying Libertarians even had your back in the first place. It's very simple. Libertarians have different criteria for who they vote for. Want the Libertarian vote? Put up candidates that they align with. Don't like it? Tough. We hate the Uniparty system and keep trying to convince you to vote for someone other than them.

And some of what the libertarians want would cause me to never consider voting for a candidate, so.......

 

[Abhorsen]

Hey, hey, look who finances the libertarian campaigns: it isn't the wider public.

Lol, I know where we get funding. If the dems want to give us money to spread the message of liberty, we'll do so, then if the candidate is pro liberty, fuck them like Marc Victor did by dropping out of the race. All that money ended up probably supporting Masters.

Define that, liberty. You keep using the term, but I don#t think you know what it means in context of republican beliefs.

See, you were angry and upset about republicans not understanding your positions, right? You're doing the same thing to them right now.

I wasn't angry or upset, and I fully believe they understand the majority of libertarian positions. They just either don't believe in them or give lip service to them.

I don't care what it means in the context of republican beliefs. I care how what they want (whatever they might call it) aligns with what I want (basically closer adherence to the NAP, which I call liberty).

Liberty means that people have confidence that others will not hurt them or take their stuff. There are a ton of correlaries, but that's the basic idea.

Republicans do not promise anything near this. They promise to take your stuff to fund armies in Taiwan and Ukraine, the drug war, the surveillance state, Boeing, indoctrination of your kids, etc. (yes, the dems are worse at this, but a huge number of Republicans do the same. If a republican wasn't doing this, I got no issue with them and would vote for them). And they will hurt you if you do any number of things they don't like that don't hurt anyone, such as the drug war.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Extremely tight race in Colorado

 

[Vyor]

Republicans do not promise anything near this. They promise to take your stuff to fund armies in Taiwan and Ukraine, the drug war, the surveillance state, Boeing, indoctrination of your kids, etc. (yes, the dems are worse at this, but a huge number of Republicans do the same. If a republican wasn't doing this, I got no issue with them and would vote for them). And they will hurt you if you do any number of things they don't like that don't hurt anyone, such as the drug war.

America first republicans don't believe in the drug war, nor the surveillance state, Boeing is a fucking company, define indoctrination cause, uh, most republicans are entirely in favor of private and home schooling.

As for Taiwan and Ukraine? Taiwan we have a direct alliance with, a direct military and political alliance. You can't break from that and act like you believe contracts have meaning. Ukraine? We shouldn't sell them outdated and soon to be decommissioned weapons? Since when? Why shouldn't we recoup losses on that?

Extremely tight race in Colorado

Going to be honest, I expected her to lose hard. Boebert I mean.

 

[Sailor.X]

Most moderates I've spoken to whom lean left still think the Republican party is the same as it was in the 90s. They believe it is still totally dominated by the religious right and walstreet cronies.

They seem to be unaware of the internal shifts within the rightwing over the last 20 years.

Well to be fair you can blame Talk Radio. More specifically when they have Friday open lines on various shows. Moderates get to hear from various GOP Voters those who may not be MAGA and are very much like the 90s GOP. That is one reason some Moderates just don't trust the GOP. That and the constant call for Small Government instead of more effective Government.