raharris1973
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Was it just the original post language that got you banned, or a later vignette about one of the particular universes?
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Everybody was sharing details about what their ideal universe would be like. I mentioned that in my world racial based discrimination was totally unknown, and then somebody asked what the status of homosexuals rights was in my universe.Was it just the original post language that got you banned, or a later vignette about one of the particular universes?
I said that it was about 1940s-1950s level. Homosexuality, and all other deviant sexualities, are considered mental disorders, and medical science in my ideal world has devised many effective treatments that can restore people's sexual desires to normalcy.
I was very polite about it, and said that everybody should be entitled to have their ideal world the way they want it. I certainly didn't complain about all the people saying they wanted a world with no religion, or a world with no capitalism, even though I find such worlds both ridiculous and terrifying.
So,they are as fucked as SB now.Everybody was sharing details about what their ideal universe would be like. I mentioned that in my world racial based discrimination was totally unknown, and then somebody asked what the status of homosexuals rights was in my universe.
I said that it was about 1940s-1950s level. Homosexuality, and all other deviant sexualities, are considered mental disorders, and medical science in my ideal world has devised many effective treatments that can restore people's sexual desires to normalcy.
I was very polite about it, and said that everybody should be entitled to have their ideal world the way they want it. I certainly didn't complain about all the people saying they wanted a world with no religion, or a world with no capitalism, even though I find such worlds both ridiculous and terrifying.
johnreiter
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Describing what my world would look like would take awhile (I've though about it a lot). For a start, here is what science would be like in my world.
PHYSICS/MATHEMATICS
Non-Euclidean geometry was invented by Euclid himself in the classical era, and not lost, because his book Geometry of a Sphere survived into the Middle Ages. Also, physics advanced a bit more quickly, since Isaac Newton did not lose his early work when Cambridge was evacuated due to the great plague of London. Pierre de Fermat also lived to write down the proof for his last theorem. Einstein won the Great Debate in my world, and Quantum Physics is only a fringe theory. Einsteinian Physics was finally replaced by Holistic Physics, developed by Prof. Nathaniel Reiter and Dr. Philo Mace, in 2008. The Reiter-Mace Equations conclusively proved gravity was a particle, not a wave, and redefined our understanding of math and physics, creating a new, integrated view of the universe that explained things both macroscopic and subatomic. Science in this world not as politicized or dogmatic, and accepts the existence of God and the supernatural.
The Teleforce technology of Nikola Tesla and Harry Grindell Matthews was perfected and released to the world. Instead of using batteries, most devices that are not regularly plugged in draw their electrical energy from the power plant through the air. Since missiles became obsolete, teleforce rays are the ultimate weapon, and only the USA has them. America guarantees never to use them, unless another country starts developing WMDs. Anti-gravity was first pioneered in the 1920s by Edward Leedskalnin and Thomas Townsend Brown, It was perfected for mass production in the 1990s independently by Ning Li, Timir Datta, and Eugene Podkletnov, and is now found in many different placed in society (though not in flying cars, for many practical reasons), The first forcefield generator was developed in 2018, and the first stardrive capable of reaching the speed of light in 2019.
ENGINEERING
Engineering in my world prioritizes making things long lasting and user-friendly rather than versatile. Instead of creating complex devices which can do many things, but take an expert to fix and need to be replaced regularly, devices in my world last for years and year, and are designed to be idiot-proof and very easy for an average person to maintenance, though they are usually simple and have only a couple of functions. Engineers in my world work on the principle that all machines will inevitably fail, and so all parts of the machine should be easily accessed and replaceable. Most systems are designed to be monitor by humans, with very few automatic safeties and controls, and very little under computer control. Engineers work on the assumption that computers will make more mistakes than humans, and can never be fully trusted. Automatic safety devices in general (like truck engines that switch off if you get out of the vehicle) mostly do not exist. Automation is heavily restricted by law, to protect people's jobs. Doctors still use physical charts, and automatic checkouts are much fewer. Florescent light never caught on, and most lights are still incandescent.
I'll mention transportation here. The Great Trolley Car buy out of the 1940s did not happen, and Victor Gruen's walkable cities movement took off in the 1950s. Modern cities look much like Disney's conception of the future from Tommorrowland or Epcot. Most people travel by anti-gravity elevated trains, subways, or other public transport, or they walk, because nearly everything you can need is within walking distance. Cars exist, but are still toys for the rich, and look very much like cars from the 1920s and 30s (except with built-in GPS). Electric cars were never invented. For long journeys, people usually travel by steam train, by ship, or by dirigible. Airplanes exist, but mostly for the military. Passenger planes do exist, but only as luxuries for the rich (as such, they are nicer and more spacious). In the country, trucks are common, but most people still ride and use horses.
SPACE SCIENCE
The space race never ended, only getting scaled up and up and up. In the present day, there are multiple space stations, permanent bases on the Moon and on Titan, mining bases in the asteroid belt, and colonies on Mars and Venus (both of which are habitable in my universe, as they were originally believed to be). Expeditions have been sent to both Europa and Uranus. Construction is underway on a permanent base on Ganymede to study Jupiter. With the discovery of light speed travel, an expedition has recently been sent on an eight year round trip to Alpha Centauri. Orbital satellite laser weapons have rendered missile warfare obsolete, Pluto is still a planet, and Ceres is a planet as well.
MEDICINE/GENETICS
Because there is no artificial division between magic and science, many methods of medical treatment dismissed IOTL are practiced here. Demonologists, for example, have the same status as neurologists. Geriatric medicine is less advanced, since it is considered socially improper to live into extreme infirmity. Most people are expected to die in their 80s. In contrast, there is a strong emphasis in this world on having children, and keeping the children as healthy as possible. As a result, obstetrics and children's medicine are more advanced due to more funding. Homosexuality, and all other forms of deviant sexuality, are classified as mental disorders, and there are numerous highly effective treatments to help people return to their normal sexual orientation. Transgender surgery is non-existent, and would be considered malpractice. Abortion is totally illegal in any case where there is any chance that the child can be born alive, no matter how small or the risk to the mother. Biowarfare research has been totally forbidden for decades, and any such development is punished ruthlessly. As a result, many diseases such as Covid and AIDS do not exist at all. STDs have been nearly eliminated. Large tax deductions are available for those who donate blood and organs, and so there is an abundance for doctors to use.
Because Macro-Evolution is well-known to be a myth, genetic research is much more advanced. Gene mapping has led to the creation of a universal anti-biotic which no bacteria can become immune to. It is sold over the counter in any drug store. Genetically-engineered microbe colonies have been created which feed on Plaque, and make teeth brushing unnecessary. Genetically-engineered crops and farm animals are even more productive than IOTL. Tailored retro-viruses have even being created to remove bad genes from embryos, totally eliminating most genetic disorders. Eugenics is still a well-respected science, and as a result of this and genetic modification, most people are healthy and good looking. Allergies are much rarer.
Of course, to be fair, it helps that society in my world is generally much healthier. All recreational drugs, including marijuana, tobacco, and alcohol are illegal and have been stamped out. Nearly all children are involved in boy and girls groups that include wilderness survival and hand-to-hand combat training, and schools provide healthier food and more physical activity. Mental health is also much better for a wide variety of reasons, mostly coming from the absence of the liberal left in society and the fact that most people are very religious.
COMPUTER SCIENCE
Generally speaking, computer science in my world is about 20 years behind OTL. This is because I learned how to use computers as a teenager, and I have resented nearly ever update made to Firefox and Microsoft since then. Also, the touchscreen and touchpad were never invented. Laptop computers come with built-in mouse and power-cord, and are larger. Keyboard designs favor large bulky keys that are widely spaced to keep people from pressing the wrong key accidently. All phones are flip phones, and the only functions they have besides calling are camera and flashlight. Texting does not exist, nor does most social media. DVDs are only just beginning to replace VHS tapes, but they are all scratch-proof. Digital animation is still developing, and most animation is still hand-drawn. There are no cyber-tvs.
On the positive side, research is ongoing into intelligent computers which can answer questions and fill requests (similar to OTL Alexa or Google Home, but they are still in development ITTL since they are not smart enough yet). Research is also working on the creation of microscopic robots to monitor people's health. While the technology is currently more advanced than OTL, it is being help up due to concerns about effects on people's health, and possible privacy issues.
ARCHEOLOGY/PALEONTOLOGY
Creationism and the young earth are universally accepted by the scientific community, while evolution and the big bang are looked on the same way as flat earth theory. It is fully accepted that the Earth was created in the 4010 BC (not BCE, that dating system does not exist) and that dinosaurs were contemporary with humans, dying out for the most part after the global flood due to climate changes. Some lingered all the way to the middle ages, becoming the origin of dragon legends. Dinosaurs also accept to be reptiles. The existence of unicorns and giants are also well-established, and many experts believe mermaid stories may also have roots in real history. Historians take more the approach of Herodotus instead of Thucydides, reporting all the different version of historic events and letting the reader judge which one makes the most sense to them instead of only reporting the version they agree with. Oral legends are also treated as history unless directly contradicted by archeology. A tablet was discovered with text in both Indus Valley script and cuneiform, which has allowed that language to be translated. The Voynich Manuscript has also been translated. Mantheo's King List and Aristotle's treatise on comedy have not been lost. Rudyard Lynch is regarded as one of the world's greatest historians in the present day.
ENERGY RESEARCH
Although people do respect the environment (there are national parks, nearly nobody litters, and actually endangered species are protected) environmentalism is far less powerful, and there are far fewer restrictions on the use of fossil fuels like oil and coal. Because of this, wind power and geothermal power are much less developed technologies, and hydroelectric power is less common as well (there is no hydroelectric dam on the Nile or Niagara Falls, but Hoover Dam still exists). In contrast, the home solar industry is booming due to less government legislation, and nuclear reactors are more advanced and more common. In fact, the Earth is currently experiencing an energy glut instead on an energy crisis, meaning there is little interest in developing energy-saving technology. Recently, in 2019, the world's first fusion reactor was successfully demonstrated, and work is actively underway on trying to mass produce it. Man-made global warming is well-known to be a myth in my world, and technologies to reduce carbon footprint are also much less advanced due to there being no interest in developing them.
PHYSICS/MATHEMATICS
Non-Euclidean geometry was invented by Euclid himself in the classical era, and not lost, because his book Geometry of a Sphere survived into the Middle Ages. Also, physics advanced a bit more quickly, since Isaac Newton did not lose his early work when Cambridge was evacuated due to the great plague of London. Pierre de Fermat also lived to write down the proof for his last theorem. Einstein won the Great Debate in my world, and Quantum Physics is only a fringe theory. Einsteinian Physics was finally replaced by Holistic Physics, developed by Prof. Nathaniel Reiter and Dr. Philo Mace, in 2008. The Reiter-Mace Equations conclusively proved gravity was a particle, not a wave, and redefined our understanding of math and physics, creating a new, integrated view of the universe that explained things both macroscopic and subatomic. Science in this world not as politicized or dogmatic, and accepts the existence of God and the supernatural.
The Teleforce technology of Nikola Tesla and Harry Grindell Matthews was perfected and released to the world. Instead of using batteries, most devices that are not regularly plugged in draw their electrical energy from the power plant through the air. Since missiles became obsolete, teleforce rays are the ultimate weapon, and only the USA has them. America guarantees never to use them, unless another country starts developing WMDs. Anti-gravity was first pioneered in the 1920s by Edward Leedskalnin and Thomas Townsend Brown, It was perfected for mass production in the 1990s independently by Ning Li, Timir Datta, and Eugene Podkletnov, and is now found in many different placed in society (though not in flying cars, for many practical reasons), The first forcefield generator was developed in 2018, and the first stardrive capable of reaching the speed of light in 2019.
ENGINEERING
Engineering in my world prioritizes making things long lasting and user-friendly rather than versatile. Instead of creating complex devices which can do many things, but take an expert to fix and need to be replaced regularly, devices in my world last for years and year, and are designed to be idiot-proof and very easy for an average person to maintenance, though they are usually simple and have only a couple of functions. Engineers in my world work on the principle that all machines will inevitably fail, and so all parts of the machine should be easily accessed and replaceable. Most systems are designed to be monitor by humans, with very few automatic safeties and controls, and very little under computer control. Engineers work on the assumption that computers will make more mistakes than humans, and can never be fully trusted. Automatic safety devices in general (like truck engines that switch off if you get out of the vehicle) mostly do not exist. Automation is heavily restricted by law, to protect people's jobs. Doctors still use physical charts, and automatic checkouts are much fewer. Florescent light never caught on, and most lights are still incandescent.
I'll mention transportation here. The Great Trolley Car buy out of the 1940s did not happen, and Victor Gruen's walkable cities movement took off in the 1950s. Modern cities look much like Disney's conception of the future from Tommorrowland or Epcot. Most people travel by anti-gravity elevated trains, subways, or other public transport, or they walk, because nearly everything you can need is within walking distance. Cars exist, but are still toys for the rich, and look very much like cars from the 1920s and 30s (except with built-in GPS). Electric cars were never invented. For long journeys, people usually travel by steam train, by ship, or by dirigible. Airplanes exist, but mostly for the military. Passenger planes do exist, but only as luxuries for the rich (as such, they are nicer and more spacious). In the country, trucks are common, but most people still ride and use horses.
SPACE SCIENCE
The space race never ended, only getting scaled up and up and up. In the present day, there are multiple space stations, permanent bases on the Moon and on Titan, mining bases in the asteroid belt, and colonies on Mars and Venus (both of which are habitable in my universe, as they were originally believed to be). Expeditions have been sent to both Europa and Uranus. Construction is underway on a permanent base on Ganymede to study Jupiter. With the discovery of light speed travel, an expedition has recently been sent on an eight year round trip to Alpha Centauri. Orbital satellite laser weapons have rendered missile warfare obsolete, Pluto is still a planet, and Ceres is a planet as well.
MEDICINE/GENETICS
Because there is no artificial division between magic and science, many methods of medical treatment dismissed IOTL are practiced here. Demonologists, for example, have the same status as neurologists. Geriatric medicine is less advanced, since it is considered socially improper to live into extreme infirmity. Most people are expected to die in their 80s. In contrast, there is a strong emphasis in this world on having children, and keeping the children as healthy as possible. As a result, obstetrics and children's medicine are more advanced due to more funding. Homosexuality, and all other forms of deviant sexuality, are classified as mental disorders, and there are numerous highly effective treatments to help people return to their normal sexual orientation. Transgender surgery is non-existent, and would be considered malpractice. Abortion is totally illegal in any case where there is any chance that the child can be born alive, no matter how small or the risk to the mother. Biowarfare research has been totally forbidden for decades, and any such development is punished ruthlessly. As a result, many diseases such as Covid and AIDS do not exist at all. STDs have been nearly eliminated. Large tax deductions are available for those who donate blood and organs, and so there is an abundance for doctors to use.
Because Macro-Evolution is well-known to be a myth, genetic research is much more advanced. Gene mapping has led to the creation of a universal anti-biotic which no bacteria can become immune to. It is sold over the counter in any drug store. Genetically-engineered microbe colonies have been created which feed on Plaque, and make teeth brushing unnecessary. Genetically-engineered crops and farm animals are even more productive than IOTL. Tailored retro-viruses have even being created to remove bad genes from embryos, totally eliminating most genetic disorders. Eugenics is still a well-respected science, and as a result of this and genetic modification, most people are healthy and good looking. Allergies are much rarer.
Of course, to be fair, it helps that society in my world is generally much healthier. All recreational drugs, including marijuana, tobacco, and alcohol are illegal and have been stamped out. Nearly all children are involved in boy and girls groups that include wilderness survival and hand-to-hand combat training, and schools provide healthier food and more physical activity. Mental health is also much better for a wide variety of reasons, mostly coming from the absence of the liberal left in society and the fact that most people are very religious.
COMPUTER SCIENCE
Generally speaking, computer science in my world is about 20 years behind OTL. This is because I learned how to use computers as a teenager, and I have resented nearly ever update made to Firefox and Microsoft since then. Also, the touchscreen and touchpad were never invented. Laptop computers come with built-in mouse and power-cord, and are larger. Keyboard designs favor large bulky keys that are widely spaced to keep people from pressing the wrong key accidently. All phones are flip phones, and the only functions they have besides calling are camera and flashlight. Texting does not exist, nor does most social media. DVDs are only just beginning to replace VHS tapes, but they are all scratch-proof. Digital animation is still developing, and most animation is still hand-drawn. There are no cyber-tvs.
On the positive side, research is ongoing into intelligent computers which can answer questions and fill requests (similar to OTL Alexa or Google Home, but they are still in development ITTL since they are not smart enough yet). Research is also working on the creation of microscopic robots to monitor people's health. While the technology is currently more advanced than OTL, it is being help up due to concerns about effects on people's health, and possible privacy issues.
ARCHEOLOGY/PALEONTOLOGY
Creationism and the young earth are universally accepted by the scientific community, while evolution and the big bang are looked on the same way as flat earth theory. It is fully accepted that the Earth was created in the 4010 BC (not BCE, that dating system does not exist) and that dinosaurs were contemporary with humans, dying out for the most part after the global flood due to climate changes. Some lingered all the way to the middle ages, becoming the origin of dragon legends. Dinosaurs also accept to be reptiles. The existence of unicorns and giants are also well-established, and many experts believe mermaid stories may also have roots in real history. Historians take more the approach of Herodotus instead of Thucydides, reporting all the different version of historic events and letting the reader judge which one makes the most sense to them instead of only reporting the version they agree with. Oral legends are also treated as history unless directly contradicted by archeology. A tablet was discovered with text in both Indus Valley script and cuneiform, which has allowed that language to be translated. The Voynich Manuscript has also been translated. Mantheo's King List and Aristotle's treatise on comedy have not been lost. Rudyard Lynch is regarded as one of the world's greatest historians in the present day.
ENERGY RESEARCH
Although people do respect the environment (there are national parks, nearly nobody litters, and actually endangered species are protected) environmentalism is far less powerful, and there are far fewer restrictions on the use of fossil fuels like oil and coal. Because of this, wind power and geothermal power are much less developed technologies, and hydroelectric power is less common as well (there is no hydroelectric dam on the Nile or Niagara Falls, but Hoover Dam still exists). In contrast, the home solar industry is booming due to less government legislation, and nuclear reactors are more advanced and more common. In fact, the Earth is currently experiencing an energy glut instead on an energy crisis, meaning there is little interest in developing energy-saving technology. Recently, in 2019, the world's first fusion reactor was successfully demonstrated, and work is actively underway on trying to mass produce it. Man-made global warming is well-known to be a myth in my world, and technologies to reduce carbon footprint are also much less advanced due to there being no interest in developing them.
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johnreiter
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In my world, the environments of Mars and Venus are as they were originally hypothesized to be in the 19th century. Mars is a cold, arid world like the steppe, with ruins left by an ancient civilization (giant canals, pyramids, and a giant face). Venus is a hot, humid jungle world filled with primordial creatures. I chose this because I think it is cooler than reality. Having humans on those worlds (other than colonists) does not fit my metal schemaCould you made Venus and mars not only habitable,but also with humans? or,even better, fae?
However, If that what you would like in your world, go right ahead. There's nothing really wrong with it.
Definitely. The majority opinion of scholars on my world is that the fae did and do exist, though they are probably spiritual creatures rather than physical ones.Could fae still live on Earth?
johnreiter
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What about your world ATP? What would Poland be like in your ideal reality?I like it more then OTL.
Let see...we have idiot neopogans beliving in powerpuff Lechia who existed from 3000 years,defeated Alexander the great and Ceazar, and then...vanished becouse of bad catholics.And bad catholics removed all signs of their reign,too !What about your world ATP? What would Poland be like in your ideal reality?
But,we had also myths about Sarmatian ancestors.I would made them true - but,Sarmatians servings in roman army who become christians and run to our territories in,let sat,100 AD.
Thanks to their traditions,we would remain best calvary ever !
Then,contact popes and WRE when it still existed,take monks and technology, and create powerfull state when WRE fall.
When cisterian monks come,welcome them and start science with them/they did it in OTL/
Take over all western and southern slavic lands - which mean basically OTL Poland,Hungary, Czech,Croatia,Slovenia, most of Austria,part of germany.
Do not let hungarian conqer anything,only hire them as calvary.
Help reclaim Jerusalem,and keep it.
When England invade Ireland in 1175,help them and made alliance with High King.
When mongols come,we would have,except best calvary/winged hussarls would arleady exist/ , many castles and muskets.
Beat them ,and take Russia,later Siberia.
When Ottomans turks come,kick them out,take Balkans including Constantinopole.Take Anatolia,too./Jerusalem is still ours/
Then, take Americas instead of Spain,Australia, develop science more....and now,we would have Space Poland fighting alien bugs !
With Chrystianitas made out of almost entire world except China and arabs,lead by King of Poland.
johnreiter
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After much thought, I suspect that, on average, more world would be behind OTL than ahead, though If people disagree, I'd love to hear it.
Most worlds would be similar to OTL. Most people have some technologies they hate and think the world would be better off without, and others that could be better. On balance, everything evens out.
Here are the reasons I think people might wish to live in a more technologically advanced world:
1. People who fantasize about living in a Jetsons like world where technology can do anything, and/or people who genuinely believe that more advanced technology will solve all the world's problems and let them live in a Utopia.
2. Sci-fi fans who think it would be awesome to live in a world like their favorite sci-fi franchise
3. People who feel that if everyone agreed with their ideology, technology would be generally better across the board
Contrawise, here are the reasons why I think people might wish for a world were technology is less advanced:
1. Older people who wish the world was like it was when they were in their 20s or 30s. This is when your neural pathways finish developing, and learning becomes more difficult. Most people consider the global paradime when they were this age to be "normal" and everything after that to be strange a newfangled.
2. Religious sects like the Amish who might wish for worlds that stopped progressing in the 18th century
3. Survivalists, back-to-nature people, and radical environmentalists who feel that the world would be better if we were still stone age hunter-gatherers.
4. Many Amerindians and Africans (and some Asians) who think the world would be better if the Europeans never advanced enough to colonize other lands, and their native cultures could continue to the present day unchanged.
5. Historic enthusiasts who idealize different times in history and/or blame modern technology for the problems in the world today (most of these people I think would wish for worlds that were technologically medieval, though some might wish for worlds stuck in the classical era or the long 19th century. Almost nobody would wish to live in a world still in the bronze age, except maybe some radical Ancient Egypt fans)
Most worlds would be similar to OTL. Most people have some technologies they hate and think the world would be better off without, and others that could be better. On balance, everything evens out.
Here are the reasons I think people might wish to live in a more technologically advanced world:
1. People who fantasize about living in a Jetsons like world where technology can do anything, and/or people who genuinely believe that more advanced technology will solve all the world's problems and let them live in a Utopia.
2. Sci-fi fans who think it would be awesome to live in a world like their favorite sci-fi franchise
3. People who feel that if everyone agreed with their ideology, technology would be generally better across the board
Contrawise, here are the reasons why I think people might wish for a world were technology is less advanced:
1. Older people who wish the world was like it was when they were in their 20s or 30s. This is when your neural pathways finish developing, and learning becomes more difficult. Most people consider the global paradime when they were this age to be "normal" and everything after that to be strange a newfangled.
2. Religious sects like the Amish who might wish for worlds that stopped progressing in the 18th century
3. Survivalists, back-to-nature people, and radical environmentalists who feel that the world would be better if we were still stone age hunter-gatherers.
4. Many Amerindians and Africans (and some Asians) who think the world would be better if the Europeans never advanced enough to colonize other lands, and their native cultures could continue to the present day unchanged.
5. Historic enthusiasts who idealize different times in history and/or blame modern technology for the problems in the world today (most of these people I think would wish for worlds that were technologically medieval, though some might wish for worlds stuck in the classical era or the long 19th century. Almost nobody would wish to live in a world still in the bronze age, except maybe some radical Ancient Egypt fans)
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johnreiter
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After much though, this is what the geopolitical situation of my world would look like.
NORTH AMERICA
Quebec (including Newfoundland) is an independent nation. The rest of Canada, plus Greenland, Cuba, northern Mexico, the Yucatan, Nicaragua and Belize are part of the United States.
Mexico is still under the Second Mexican Empire
the Black Republic of Haiti never collapsed into the First Haitian Empire, and lasted to the present. Haiti annexed the Dominican Republic in the 1870s, and now controls all of Hispaniola
instead of the Panama Canal, this world has the Nicaraguan Canal. the isthmus of Panama is still part of Columbia, and is still a sparsely populated jungle.
SOUTH AMERICA
Columbia, Venezuela, and Ecuador are still part of the Republic of Gran Columbia, which survived to the present
Suriname is part of Guyana
Bolivia never lost their seacoast to Chile
Brazil is still under the Empire of Brazil, with the capital at Rio de Janeiro (Brasília was never built)
AFRICA
South Africa is split East to West, with the white dominated Republic of the Cape in the west, and the black dominated Republic of Iriphabuliki in the east. Lesotho is part of Iriphabuliki
Burundi, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Kenya, Rwanda, the Comoros, South Sudan, Tanzania and Uganda have merged into the East African Federation
the Ogaden and Haud territories still belong to Somalia
Ethiopia is still under the Ethiopian Empire, and still owns Eritrea
Egypt still owns North Sudan, and is still under the Kingdom of Egypt
Nigeria is split between Muslim North Nigeria and Christian South Nigeria
the Tuareg state of Azawad exists, mostly in OTL northern Mali
the rest of Mali has merged with Burkina Faso and Niger to form the Sahel Confederacy
Liberia is a US territory
THE MIDDLE EAST
Arabia was unified by the Kingdom of Hejaz instead of the House of Saud. instead of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, today it is the Caliphate of Arabia, and never embraced Wahabi Islam
Iraq is still under the Kingdom of Iraq
the British kept their promise to Prince Faisal and established the Arab Kingdom of Syria, which lasted to the present day
the borders of Israel and Palestine are still laid out according to the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, and Israel has lost every war they have waged to try and change those borders
Kurdistan exists, covering parts of Syria, Iraq, Iran, and about a quarter of Turkey
Greece owns Thrace and the Bosporus, and has it's capital at Constantinople
Turkey is still under the Ottoman Empire, and has it's capital at Ankara
ASIA/OCEANA
Pakistan own the Kashmir region
Afghanistan is still under the Kingdom of Afghanistan
the Dravidian regions of southern India are split off as the Republic of Dravida Nadu
Nepal is still a kingdom
the Rakhine state of Myanmar is part of Bangladesh
Myanmar is still called Burma
Thailand is still called Siam
Vietnam is split between the Empire of Vietnam in the south (ruled by the heirs of Bảo Đại) and the Republic of Vietnam in the north (modeled off the USA)
Indonesia is split into several different nations
the Sulu Sultanate is still separate from the Philippines
East Timor owns the entire island of Timor and is just called Timor
Papua New Guinea owns the entire island of New Guinea and is just called New Guinea.
Hawaii and Samoa were never annexed, and have merged with Tonga to form the Polynesian Confederation
Tibet is still and independent nation under the rule of the Dalai Lama
Chinese Turkestan is an independent nation split off from China, called the Republic of Turkestan
the rest of China is split between the Republic of China in the south (including Taiwan) and the Empire of China in the north
South Korea conquered North Korea, and the Korean peninsula is united under the Republic of Korea
EUROPE
Russia is still under the Empire of Russia, a parliamentary monarchy
Finland owns the whole Karelia region
Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania and the Baltic States are all part of Russia
there is no European Union, but all of Eastern Europe is unite din an anti-Russian alliance, led by Poland, as hegemon of Eastern Europe
Austria owns Catholic southern Germany and the Sudetenland, and is till under the Habsburg emperors
Liechtenstein is part of Switzerland
Luxembourg is part of Germany
France is still under the Kingdom of France
Belgium does not exist. Flanders is part of the Netherlands, and Wallonia is part of France
Italy is split between the Kingdom of Italy in the south, and the Republic of Italy (which includes Corsica) in the north
Rome is an independent city state under the Pope
Scotland is and independent nation, and the UK does not exist (it is just the Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland)
NORTH AMERICA
Quebec (including Newfoundland) is an independent nation. The rest of Canada, plus Greenland, Cuba, northern Mexico, the Yucatan, Nicaragua and Belize are part of the United States.
Mexico is still under the Second Mexican Empire
the Black Republic of Haiti never collapsed into the First Haitian Empire, and lasted to the present. Haiti annexed the Dominican Republic in the 1870s, and now controls all of Hispaniola
instead of the Panama Canal, this world has the Nicaraguan Canal. the isthmus of Panama is still part of Columbia, and is still a sparsely populated jungle.
SOUTH AMERICA
Columbia, Venezuela, and Ecuador are still part of the Republic of Gran Columbia, which survived to the present
Suriname is part of Guyana
Bolivia never lost their seacoast to Chile
Brazil is still under the Empire of Brazil, with the capital at Rio de Janeiro (Brasília was never built)
AFRICA
South Africa is split East to West, with the white dominated Republic of the Cape in the west, and the black dominated Republic of Iriphabuliki in the east. Lesotho is part of Iriphabuliki
Burundi, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Kenya, Rwanda, the Comoros, South Sudan, Tanzania and Uganda have merged into the East African Federation
the Ogaden and Haud territories still belong to Somalia
Ethiopia is still under the Ethiopian Empire, and still owns Eritrea
Egypt still owns North Sudan, and is still under the Kingdom of Egypt
Nigeria is split between Muslim North Nigeria and Christian South Nigeria
the Tuareg state of Azawad exists, mostly in OTL northern Mali
the rest of Mali has merged with Burkina Faso and Niger to form the Sahel Confederacy
Liberia is a US territory
THE MIDDLE EAST
Arabia was unified by the Kingdom of Hejaz instead of the House of Saud. instead of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, today it is the Caliphate of Arabia, and never embraced Wahabi Islam
Iraq is still under the Kingdom of Iraq
the British kept their promise to Prince Faisal and established the Arab Kingdom of Syria, which lasted to the present day
the borders of Israel and Palestine are still laid out according to the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, and Israel has lost every war they have waged to try and change those borders
Kurdistan exists, covering parts of Syria, Iraq, Iran, and about a quarter of Turkey
Greece owns Thrace and the Bosporus, and has it's capital at Constantinople
Turkey is still under the Ottoman Empire, and has it's capital at Ankara
ASIA/OCEANA
Pakistan own the Kashmir region
Afghanistan is still under the Kingdom of Afghanistan
the Dravidian regions of southern India are split off as the Republic of Dravida Nadu
Nepal is still a kingdom
the Rakhine state of Myanmar is part of Bangladesh
Myanmar is still called Burma
Thailand is still called Siam
Vietnam is split between the Empire of Vietnam in the south (ruled by the heirs of Bảo Đại) and the Republic of Vietnam in the north (modeled off the USA)
Indonesia is split into several different nations
the Sulu Sultanate is still separate from the Philippines
East Timor owns the entire island of Timor and is just called Timor
Papua New Guinea owns the entire island of New Guinea and is just called New Guinea.
Hawaii and Samoa were never annexed, and have merged with Tonga to form the Polynesian Confederation
Tibet is still and independent nation under the rule of the Dalai Lama
Chinese Turkestan is an independent nation split off from China, called the Republic of Turkestan
the rest of China is split between the Republic of China in the south (including Taiwan) and the Empire of China in the north
South Korea conquered North Korea, and the Korean peninsula is united under the Republic of Korea
EUROPE
Russia is still under the Empire of Russia, a parliamentary monarchy
Finland owns the whole Karelia region
Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania and the Baltic States are all part of Russia
there is no European Union, but all of Eastern Europe is unite din an anti-Russian alliance, led by Poland, as hegemon of Eastern Europe
Austria owns Catholic southern Germany and the Sudetenland, and is till under the Habsburg emperors
Liechtenstein is part of Switzerland
Luxembourg is part of Germany
France is still under the Kingdom of France
Belgium does not exist. Flanders is part of the Netherlands, and Wallonia is part of France
Italy is split between the Kingdom of Italy in the south, and the Republic of Italy (which includes Corsica) in the north
Rome is an independent city state under the Pope
Scotland is and independent nation, and the UK does not exist (it is just the Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland)
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johnreiter
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Merry Easter to you as well!I like it.Germany united by protestants ALWAYS mean problems.Just like ANY Republic in France.
Not mention united China....
P.S Merry Easter !
BTW, I made sure to mention that part about Poland since you are so good about reading my threads
johnreiter
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I was amused to discover that my post from the Multiverse of 10 Billion Worlds thread on alternatehistroy.com has now been mentioned on the Most Cringeworthy Alternate Histories thread on SV. I honestly am surprised at the number of people who commented on it (even if they only wanted to mock and demonize it). Apparently, my ideal world is regarded over there as some sort of radical alt-right neo-nazi anti-science fantasy. I'm speechless
BTW, I also note with pleased surprise that the original thread on alternatehistory.com is now up to 25 pages, and is still very popular a year after I was banned. I may have been banned for it, but it's still the most popular thread I ever made by far.
BTW, I also note with pleased surprise that the original thread on alternatehistory.com is now up to 25 pages, and is still very popular a year after I was banned. I may have been banned for it, but it's still the most popular thread I ever made by far.
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Well,if you want counter to tsar,you need strong Poland and no prussia,becouse they would ally with them.Merry Easter to you as well
BTW, I made sure to mention that part about Poland since you are so good about reading my threads
Althought strong Habsburgs who would become also Kings of Poland would work,too.
It is SV for you.They banned me for supporting german crimes in post where i condemned them.I was amused to discover that my post from the Multiverse of 10 Billion Worlds thread on alternatehistroy.com has now been mentioned on the Most Cringeworthy Alternate Histories thread on Sufficient Velocity. I honestly am surprised at the number of people who commented on it (even if they only wanted to mock and demonize it). Apparently, my ideal world is regarded over there as some sort of radical alt-right neo-nazi anti-science fantasy. I'm speechless
BTW, I also note with pleased surprise that the original thread on alternatehistory.com is now up to 25 pages, and is still very popular a year after I was banned. I may have been banned for it, but it's still the most popular thread I ever made by far.
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