bintananth
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Only one person should have had access to the props.
Alec Baldwin shoots 2 on set of western, 1 dead
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You can do more than one person access, but you have to have a system in place to record what's going on with EVERY piece of hardware so that each person with access can follow what's happened to the inventory.
The problem is not so much getting stuff out of the armory, but it's maintaining positive control once it's outside of that. I'm pretty sure THAT'S where all the screw ups were happening which lead to...whatever happened.
The three people with gun safe access were the armorer, the props master, and the assistant director who appears to have been doubling as an assistant armorer. Props master makes sense since armory is a subdivision of props, while the latter dovetails with news interviews with an armorer who turned down the "Rust" job. Specifically, he said he told them they needed a five-person armory department to properly handle the amount of firearms work they wanted, but the producers wanted to limit armory to just two people with one being a dual-role assistant armorer and assistant director.
I'm guessing that was what they ended up doing with this Halls guy -- he wasn't an AD messing with armory stuff just because he felt like it, he had the dual role even though he should have been blackballed from ANYTHING having to do with firearms after being outright fired from the production of "Freedom's Path" in 2019 after a firearms incident.
Based on what's come out so far, it sounds like the armorer checked and set up the prop guns for the scene, then locked them in the armory safe before they broke for lunch. One of the three people with safe access -- most likely Halls -- then took one of the firearms from the safe to play with during lunch. This person swapped the dummy rounds already loaded in the gun for their own unauthorized live ammunition, then replaced the dummy rounds before putting the guns back in the safe. . . except when they did so, they left at least one live round in the gun instead of all dummies.
That's apparently how a live round got into a "cold" gun. It wasn't a safety violation for the armorer to not recheck the gun because as far as she knew, it had been secured in the safe the entire time.
The dumbass journalist whose probably been stalking him didn't even know the name of the victim or acted like he didn't when he asked his question. Complete tool.
bintananth
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And he said less than my daughters do when they're hauled in front of me by my wife and my wife is not doing that unless they really fucked up because my twin sis is a professional and handles the "here's how you do it" part of the birds and bees.
To be fair, any sensible person in his position wouldn't talk to the media.
bintananth
behind a desk
Friendly Reminder: Cease and desist on trolling.
When my children make mistakes "daddy" (i.e.: me) isn't told about them unless "mommy" (i.e.: my wife) thinks I need to say "hi" in a less than friendly manner.
Dude, why is nearly every post you make contain a reference or story of your family, sometimes completely unrelated to the topic.
As for what Baldwin said, its an ongoing investigation and he did the right thing; he has literally been ordered by the Santa Fe sheriff to not comment on the incident.
when you are being investigated even no expecially if you are innocent the first thing you need to do is shut the hell up.
Because you can seriously fuck up a case by doing so.
Oh, really? Good. The more he fucks up, the more likely his prison-stay becomes.
Possible but if that happens my money is on a presidential pardon, I mean that litterally I have a 20 riding on that outcome.
stephen the barbarian
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iirc he's already tweeted a bunch of shit, so too little, too late
Bigking321
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There's no way he gets in trouble. The left loves him. He's a big activist.
Now he might get hit by a ton of civil lawsuits but that's a different issue.
Now he might get hit by a ton of civil lawsuits but that's a different issue.
socialists dont have friends they have tools they havent discarded yet.
Jeff Thomas
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Can I steal that? With attribution?
the armorer on set was the daughter of a long time industry professional (nepotism?) and she was reportedly cussed out by Nick Cage on the set of another movie a few months prior to the incident for her incredibly unsafe practices which caused him to walk off set.
Now the woman claims she "has no idea how live rounds appeared in their ammo supply" and proceeds to blame the producer.
Isn't the armorer supposed to be the only one with access to the armory? Aren't they supposed to keep track of the ammo supply?
Big sus here.
Now the woman claims she "has no idea how live rounds appeared in their ammo supply" and proceeds to blame the producer.
Isn't the armorer supposed to be the only one with access to the armory? Aren't they supposed to keep track of the ammo supply?
Big sus here.
Got source for the stuff about Cage?
As well, wasn't she one of the one who left due to the Union strike, thus wouldn't even have been on set when this happened, and the guns were handled by non-union replacements in the lead up to the incident.
Her dad is long retired and she did not get the job through him, so no, not nepotism. This was a matter of the producers being greedy, cheap, and stubborn; multiple experienced armorers that they tried to hire turned them down because they wanted too much work for too small a staff. Instead, they hired someone who wasn't so experienced and agreed to try doing it their way.
It wasn't super unsafe. She was test firing "too close to the set" for Mr. Cage's taste and he claimed it was hurting his hearing. He stormed off and complained about it, but note that she *wasn't* fired.
The assistant director involved in the incident is the one who actually handled the firearm and falsely declared it "cold", *plus* he's the one who has an actual history of unsafe gun handling practices up to and including being fired on the spot for an incident in 2019 that in fact sounds very similar to this one -- he declared a prop firearm "cold" when it was in fact hot, leading to a crew member being shot and injured.
That's industry best practice, but at the end of the day, the armorer is an employee and the producers are the ones who call the shots, especially with someone who *isn't* enough of an established name to make a walkoff stick.