Alexander Dugin on the Great Reset

[*THASF*]

Globalism and faith in supranational institutions is the work of greedy old cowards who abhor strength and the great contest of nations and seek to build a "paradise" of writhing, empty hedonism that is populated by a gray morass of utterly interchangeable consumer-serfs who pay rentier-lords for the privilege of living.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Globalism and faith in supranational institutions is the work of greedy old cowards who abhor strength and the great contest of nations and seek to build a "paradise" of writhing, empty hedonism that is populated by a gray morass of utterly interchangeable consumer-serfs who pay rentier-lords for the privilege of living.

Eat your bugs.
Drink your soy.
Live in your pod.
Watch your porn.

 

[Bassoe]

i just read book by Ewa Kurek "Rosjii rozumem nie pojmiesz?" - my translation - "Russia could not be comprehend ?"

And i undarstandt how Dugin get his theory now.Basically:

1.Russia do not belong to West,when Saint Augustine create theory about free will,but East when Saint Gregor of Nazianze belived in mystic.
As a result,now if polish farmer leave patatoes on field and frost destroy them,he would be blame himself.Russian peasant -fate.

2.Byzantines created Hesychasm,when entire world should be changed by prayers,/Filoteus Kokkinos/,russians turned it into theory of 3th Rome,also Filoteus/1511/ where entire world should be conqered by them to save it from satan.
Both Russia and tsars become saint.And stop being christian - no state could be saint in christianity.
That is how Iwan the terrible could be still Saint tsar genociding his own people - becouse his state becouse one big sect

3.Peter the great made church part of state,and as a result in 1839 De Coustine saw,that they arleady do not belived in God,but tsar and his empire.There were no more real religion,but state.But - tey do not want entire world anymore.

4.Thus commies could easily destroy church - becouse it was arleady dead.And they still belived in tsar and Empire,but red,not white.And they wonted entire world again.

5.And now Dugin belive that western Antichrist should be taken over by Russia for its own good,becouse russians who are orthodox-communist would save them.But,he again want only Europe.

This might be overthinking it. The issue isn't 'Russia is trying to take over the American Empire's NATO vassal states in Europe' but 'the American Empire wants to use American plebeians as cannon fodder to defend said vassals'. Because the 'American Empire' is less the empire of the American people, dedicated to the prosperity of the American people and more the empire of the plutocrats, who only care about the American people insofar as they pay the empire's taxes and die in the empire's wars. Now, after decades of pointless warfare, during which American plebeians have been dying for no benefit to themselves, on behalf of a system which has made itself extremely clear it hates them, and any surviving veterans are screwed by the system they fought for, shockingly, American plebeians aren't interested in a military career and would probably turn their guns upon their leaders if the draft was reinstituted and the choice between 'being shot at by foreigners vs not being shot at by anyone' became 'being shot at by foreigners or being shot at by the assholes trying to make you be shot at by foreigners'.

Yeah, the American Empire is in trouble. That's a big problem for the Imperial leadership. But since I'm not one of said leadership, nor do I benefit from the same things they do, and they've spent decades screwing me and mine over so I have zero sympathy left, that's not my problem.

 

[ATP]

This might be overthinking it. The issue isn't 'Russia is trying to take over the American Empire's NATO vassal states in Europe' but 'the American Empire wants to use American plebeians as cannon fodder to defend said vassals'. Because the 'American Empire' is less the empire of the American people, dedicated to the prosperity of the American people and more the empire of the plutocrats, who only care about the American people insofar as they pay the empire's taxes and die in the empire's wars. Now, after decades of pointless warfare, during which American plebeians have been dying for no benefit to themselves, on behalf of a system which has made itself extremely clear it hates them, and any surviving veterans are screwed by the system they fought for, shockingly, American plebeians aren't interested in a military career and would probably turn their guns upon their leaders if the draft was reinstituted and the choice between 'being shot at by foreigners vs not being shot at by anyone' became 'being shot at by foreigners or being shot at by the assholes trying to make you be shot at by foreigners'.

Yeah, the American Empire is in trouble. That's a big problem for the Imperial leadership. But since I'm not one of said leadership, nor do I benefit from the same things they do, and they've spent decades screwing me and mine over so I have zero sympathy left, that's not my problem.

Well,Wall Street elect their presidents from 1897 and use USA as their puppets,true...but THAT NOT CHANGE FACT,that most of russians are nutjobs who loved tsar beating them as long as he made empire.And those tsar belie,that should conqer world to help people.Dugin want only Europe,but his predecessors belived that Russia/soviet should take over entire Earth.

So,even if you gave us to Putin,he probably still be trying to take over USA.For their own good,of course.

 

[Bassoe]

So,even if you gave us to Putin, he probably still be trying to take over USA.

Counterargument.

 

[Scottty]

Dugin isn't actually a Christian but some kind of weird syncretic neopagan. Early 20th cent. New Age stuff, basically theosophical argleblargle when you get down to it.

Yeah, the nonsense he talks about Protestants for example. I got the impression that he doesn't really give a hoot about the real doctrinal issues, but values "traditional religion" for its social stability, or something.

There are better alternatives to the globalist agenda than sitting there wishing the Middle Ages could have gone on forever.

 

[Navarro]

Yeah, the nonsense he talks about Protestants for example. I got the impression that he doesn't really give a hoot about the real doctrinal issues, but values "traditional religion" for its social stability, or something.

Exactly. A decent amount of self-proclaimed reactionaries are/were of this type, professing traditional religious views in public and bizarre esoteric nonsense in private.

There are better alternatives to the globalist agenda than sitting there wishing the Middle Ages and Stalinism could have gone on forever

FTFY. Dugin sees the end of the Stalin era as the greatest disaster Russia ever experienced and where things really started out going wrong.

 

[ATP]

Counterargument.

Soviets still planned WW3 ,MAD or not MAD.Only reason that they do not started that? Reagan showed him,that he knew where their secrets bunkers are,so they would die,too - not only their slaves.
Becouse,from the times of russian tsars,all people in Russia/soviet except tsar are slaves.
So,MAD would not stop new KGB tsar,if he belive that USA do not knew where his bunker is.All to save the world,he would be happy to rule over ashes.
There were free russians/farmers and elites/ but Lenin&Stalin genocided them all.

P.S @Navarro is right - Dugin is worshipping Stalin,who averagely genocided more people in one week of his rule then combined spanish and papak Inquisitions during 600 years of their existency.

 

[Bassoe]

Soviets still planned WW3 ,MAD or not MAD.Only reason that they do not started that? Reagan showed him,that he knew where their secrets bunkers are,so they would die,too - not only their slaves.
Becouse,from the times of russian tsars,all people in Russia/soviet except tsar are slaves.
So,MAD would not stop new KGB tsar,if he belive that USA do not knew where his bunker is.All to save the world,he would be happy to rule over ashes.
There were free russians/farmers and elites/ but Lenin&Stalin genocided them all.

P.S @Navarro is right - Dugin is worshipping Stalin,who averagely genocided more people in one week of his rule then combined spanish and papak Inquisitions during 600 years of their existency.

The corporatists are openly trying to take over the world and enslave everyone and all things considered, I rate their chances of success much higher than Putin's, insofar as their rivals don't have nuclear MAD deterrence to prevent them from acting. All things considered, I think judging them as the greater threat than a second-world country with a rusting arsenal of leftovers from the soviet union which they can't use without causing a firsthand demonstration of the Great Filter is a perfectly reasonable attitude to take.

 

[ATP]

The corporatists are openly trying to take over the world and enslave everyone and all things considered, I rate their chances of success much higher than Putin's, insofar as their rivals don't have nuclear MAD deterrence to prevent them from acting. All things considered, I think judging them as the greater threat than a second-world country with a rusting arsenal of leftovers from the soviet union which they can't use without causing a firsthand demonstration of the Great Filter is a perfectly reasonable attitude to take.

Even if that was true,slaver Putin is not viable option for saving world from other slavers.