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49ersfootball

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What If Scenario: NJ Governor Jim McGreevey (D) wins reelection in a bigger landslide victory in 2005 & wins the Presidency in 2008.

Then the big corruption scandals & sex scandals blow up during the 2010 Midterms. What are the ramifications of these scandals ?
 

Zyobot

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'ASB Scenario: LBJ Nukes Vietnam'.

Granted, as I recall, it was originally Goldwater who threatened to deploy nukes in the '64 race. So, imagine the irony of LBJ still airing the Daisy ad and winning in a landslide… only to go back on his word and nuke Vietnam himself. :devilish:
 

bullethead

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WWII What If:
The thermobaric bomb is invented not long before the nuclear bomb's deployment... but instead of getting canned like a lot of other weapons projects, Curtis LeMay keeps it alive and champions it as a conventional alternative to nukes, leading to MacArthur deploying them in the Korean War...
 

ATP

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WWII What If:
The thermobaric bomb is invented not long before the nuclear bomb's deployment... but instead of getting canned like a lot of other weapons projects, Curtis LeMay keeps it alive and champions it as a conventional alternative to nukes, leading to MacArthur deploying them in the Korean War...
Germans certainly worked on it,so maybe? but,let assume that MacArthur burned chineese - we could have bigger South Korea now,and mini North which would be probably taken by China now.

Aside from that - no differences.
 

bullethead

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Aside from that - no differences.
I dunno, IIRC, LeMay is the military until at least early Vietnam, so there's a non-zero chance he sells people on bombing the jungles of Vietnam into looking like the surface of the moon to take out the VC.
 

Buba

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I dunno, IIRC, LeMay is the military until at least early Vietnam, so there's a non-zero chance he sells people on bombing the jungles of Vietnam into looking like the surface of the moon to take out the VC.
Also, very ecological - think of the aeration of the soil.
 

49ersfootball

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WWII What If:
The thermobaric bomb is invented not long before the nuclear bomb's deployment... but instead of getting canned like a lot of other weapons projects, Curtis LeMay keeps it alive and champions it as a conventional alternative to nukes, leading to MacArthur deploying them in the Korean War...
Could this lead to a successful victory in the Korean War for the US & Co., ? If so, does Truman get so triggered by MacArthur's triumphant success & still fires him ?
 

bullethead

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IIRC, Truman's problem was MacArthur wanting to nuke the Chinese, so having thermobarics and letting MacArthur blast the Chinese probably doesn't lead to that firing.
 

PsihoKekec

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Truman had more problems with MacArthur than just his nuke enthusiasm. He was insubordinate and publicly so. Plus he loved to blame the problems of his own making on everyone else, including Truman.
 

Doomsought

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Scenario 1:. Either the denazification program backfires horrifically, because germans gotta german and do crimes against humanity for the sake of denazification, which leads to a resurgence of neonazis.

Scenario 2: A muslim-neonazi alliance. Nazis party officials flee to the middle east instead of South America, where they are do a government in exile arrangement, and fund continental neo-nazi operations from a safe haven.
 

PsihoKekec

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The problem is that German population was worn out from six years of grinding war, for continuous insurgency you need a fairly broad support base and they don't have that anymore, best they can hope is an uptick in attacks early on and then activity gradually dies down as their men are hunted down.

Where to Middle East will they go? In 1945 the ME was still controlled by colonial powers and even after their independence, while they liked to take nazi experts, they wouldn't like the kind of nazis that would bring too much negative attention to them and after WWII any kind of nazi government in exile will get a lot of negative attention. Regimes that wold be willing to support international terrorism were not yet in power.
Not to mention that many of of ME nations were courting Soviet support and Soviets would not be thrilled about the said nations supporting nazi terrorists in their slice of Germany.

I reckon the best chance for some kind of resistance springing up in Germany (but not right after war) is implementation of Morgenthau plan as it would result in resentful population and large diaspora supporting them and it would likely result in several competing resistance groups as many would blame nazis for bringing the woe upon them, while others would take the stance that nazis were right afterall. Once the cold war heats up, KGB would support leftist resistance groups in West Germany, while CIA would support rightist resistance groups in East Germany.
 
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ATP

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I dunno, IIRC, LeMay is the military until at least early Vietnam, so there's a non-zero chance he sells people on bombing the jungles of Vietnam into looking like the surface of the moon to take out the VC.
Or,after loosing korea,soviets simply do not start anything in Vietnam.You knew,it could change History for real - USA here not only win korean war,but also not lost Vietnam war,becouse it never happened.
No PolPot,too.

Less commie victims - and,more importantly,hippies would not destroy USA here.
 

Blasterbot

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Or,after loosing korea,soviets simply do not start anything in Vietnam.You knew,it could change History for real - USA here not only win korean war,but also not lost Vietnam war,becouse it never happened.
No PolPot,too.

Less commie victims - and,more importantly,hippies would not destroy USA here.
Nam was more of an issue since France was leaving a "friendly" dictator in charge their. communists took advantage of that to spread their ideology among those dissatisfied with such a regime. France then dragged USA into the war and then bailed on us part way through. I think if your goal was containing Communism you would need to either ensure that China doesn't go red or prevent the soviet union itself from forming during WW1.
 
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ATP

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Nam was more of an issue since France was leaving a "friendly" dictator in charge their. communists took advantage of that to spread their ideology among those dissatisfied with such a regime. France then dragged USA into the war and then bailed on us part way through. I think if your goal was containing Communism you would need to either ensure that China doesn't go red or prevent the soviet union itself from forming during WW1.
That,sadly,only part of story.Emperor Bao keep Vietnam in good order - but CIA removed him.
Then,there was president who was decent - so CIA helped murder him.
And leave country to corrupted idiots,who fall to commies.

To be honest,without CIA "help" there would be no united commie Vietnam there.
I really wonder,if they were only stupid,or soviet agent.
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
'Charles Dickinson Kills Andrew Jackson In Their Duel Instead'.

See here for context. Even IOTL, Dickinson still shot Jackson in the chest before he could retaliate, so not hard to imagine some ATL where Jackson actually does die from his wounds.
 

ATP

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'Charles Dickinson Kills Andrew Jackson In Their Duel Instead'.

See here for context. Even IOTL, Dickinson still shot Jackson in the chest before he could retaliate, so not hard to imagine some ATL where Jackson actually does die from his wounds.
Somebody else would robb Mexico? unless their idiot general die,too.
 

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