Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

History Learner

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"One piece of evidence says that now Ukraine are over 100,000 casualties. Therefore due to retroactive magic, I was right to claim they were at 120,000 casualties months ago."

Said piece of evidence being straight from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, with access to all of the intelligence of the United States. It also follows months of released intelligence reports to the news media, statements by the Ukrainians themselves and other data, such as the Ukrainians back at the time saying their casualties were already over 100,000 which is what Marduk was arguing with me over back then:

The number of Ukrainians who have died since Russia invaded Ukraine in February likely stands in the tens of thousands, according to Ukraine's defense minister, who said he "hopes" the figure is below 100,000.​

Cope and seethe lmao, because nothing will take back me being correct on this.
 

Marduk

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Or we can say he definitely has it memorized,
No we can't. You can, and i can say that you can't read his mind.
given he cited the number as part of the rationale for starting peace talks and the use of the "probably" is entirely because he can't given the real data directly, as you said? Nice try with this effort at an unfalsifiable argument, Marduk, but you simply just can't match me.
And added a "probably". So he throws around a loose number in a civilian meeting according to the need of whatever agenda he got paid to push, got it.

If you're going to call someone else a walking joke, at least have the bare minimum in intelligence to actually not cite the same definition twice, when the entire crux of your argument was that serial production was not the same as mass production. I know you're dumb as fuck, but c'mon.
My argument is that you have claimed that F-35 is not in serial production because it's not meeting production goals and stuck by that idiotic statement for our whole exchange, even though it clearly is in serial production.
Fuck off with your silly retroactive change of topic.
Please continue to seethe that i have posted not one but two consistent sources for why you are wrong.
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Hopefully not before I see T-90s in Warsaw
Sorry, you're late for that one.
This is such a funny cope because you started this interaction and then you always pull the "you're not worth my time" play until the next time you suddenly "forget" I'm not worth your time, and engage me again. It's honestly hilarious, given the last several times we interacted you said the same thing and yet, here we are again with me leaving you impotent with your rage. Cope and Seethe, dear, because I utterly enjoy seeing it.
Again, learn to fucking read, because you are confusing time with rage. Guess i shouldn't waste either on you, because your idiocy is hopeless.
 

History Learner

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Again learn to fucking read, because you are confusing time with rage. Guess i shouldn't waste either on you, because your idiocy is hopeless.

I did read lmao, you're the dumb fuck who put rage, not time:
Again, i have to remind your sclerotic ass that you are not worthy of my rage. Just deep contempt for your character and mental capabilities.

Nowhere in here did you even put the word "time". You're so mentally addled you don't even remember what you posted like 15 minutes ago; I live so rent free in your mind I can get you to rage to the point of short term memory loss and I absolutely love doing that to you.

Would you like me to respond or are you going to pull the same pussy move again when I call your bluff? Or you do you want go seethe in the corner as usual when I win?
 

Marduk

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I did read lmao, you're the dumb fuck who put rage, not time:
Yes, because i'm obviously wasting my time on you here, not rage.
What are you, an edgy preschooler? Would explain your behavior and intelligence.
Nowhere in here did you put time, you're so mentally addled you don't even remember what you posted like 15 minutes ago. I live so rent free in your mind I can get you to rage to the point of short term memory loss and I absolutely love doing that to you.
Let's get some things straight. You aren't reading this text in my brain. You are reading it on an internet forum that i happen to be a staff member of, in a thread that is of interest to me, and which you are polluting with your distilled idiocy.
On which you are still posting only because flaming is not banned by the way.
 

History Learner

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Yes, because i'm obviously wasting my time on you here, not rage.
What are you, an edgy preschooler? Would explain your behavior and intelligence.

So I'm a waste of your time, and yet you are here still responding to me? Cope harder lol.

Let's get some things straight. You aren't reading this text in my brain. You are reading it on an internet forum that i happen to be a staff member of, in a thread that is of interest to me, and which you are polluting with your distilled idiocy.

That would imply that you produce sufficient intelligent thoughts for one to read, which remains to be demonstrated. As I've said to you before: seethe harder.
 

Megadeath

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Said piece of evidence being straight from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, with access to all of the intelligence of the United States. It also follows months of released intelligence reports to the news media, statements by the Ukrainians themselves and other data, such as the Ukrainians back at the time saying their casualties were already over 100,000 which is what Marduk was arguing with me over back then:

The number of Ukrainians who have died since Russia invaded Ukraine in February likely stands in the tens of thousands, according to Ukraine's defense minister, who said he "hopes" the figure is below 100,000.​

Cope and seethe lmao, because nothing will take back me being correct on this.
Lol, yep. Totally seething here. Have fun believing whatever you like, and enjoy slurping the semen soaked shit from putin's taint with all your russian ass kissing. 💋
 

History Learner

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Lol, yep. Totally seething here. Have fun believing whatever you like, and enjoy slurping the semen soaked shit from putin's taint with all your russian ass kissing. 💋

> Proceeds to seethe, exactly as I said he would

I am once again begging the Pro Ukrainians to not engage in blatant Homoeroticism, normal people are not interested in your BDSM fetishes lol.
 

Zachowon

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General Milley if he actually was worried about us running out of stuff.
Wouldn't announce it to the world unless it was to gain money for more and have an over abundance.
We won't run out.

The US isn't buying supplies from Iran or North Korea to send to Ukraine. Russia is.

There is literally nothing Russia has that beats the west.

And wanna talk about serial production?
What about the SU 57?
Or the J 20?
What about the T14?
Unlike the Russians the US can and is recovering its stocks.
The exact amount if stuff we have is classified and Milley knows it. HE CANT SAY IT. Because that is something he can lose his position for saying and end up in a lot of shit.
We take OPSEC and COMSEC serious
 

History Learner

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General Milley if he actually was worried about us running out of stuff.
Wouldn't announce it to the world unless it was to gain money for more and have an over abundance.

Well it's a good thing Milley didn't actually say that, right?

We won't run out.

You keep saying that, but refrain from providing any evidence to back it up despite months of reporting, including from USNI and the Pentagon's own assessments of the industrial base.

The US isn't buying supplies from Iran or North Korea to send to Ukraine. Russia is.

Russia isn't buying tanks from Slovenia or artillery shells from South Korea, the United States is.

There is literally nothing Russia has that beats the west.

Except their missile fleet, including the fact they got a Hypersonic into production while we just had our first successful test with a prototype.

And wanna talk about serial production?
What about the SU 57?
Or the J 20?
What about the T14?
Unlike the Russians the US can and is recovering its stocks.
The exact amount if stuff we have is classified and Milley knows it. HE CANT SAY IT. Because that is something he can lose his position for saying and end up in a lot of shit.

Except our stocks are depleted, as per reporting for months, and to which you have yet to offer any evidence in counter. I have Fiscal Procurement numbers for this year in artillery shells and the U.S. Army's official listing of it's artillery stocks, Pre-Ukraine War. Absolutely no sign of growing stocks, rather the opposite, for one prominent example.

We take OPSEC and COMSEC serious

And yet, here you are breaking that by saying we actually have full stocks, or at least you claim.
 

Zachowon

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Well it's a good thing Milley didn't actually say that, right?



You keep saying that, but refrain from providing any evidence to back it up despite months of reporting, including from USNI and the Pentagon's own assessments of the industrial base.



Russia isn't buying tanks from Slovenia or artillery shells from South Korea, the United States is.



Except their missile fleet, including the fact they got a Hypersonic into production while we just had our first successful test with a prototype.



Except our stocks are depleted, as per reporting for months, and to which you have yet to offer any evidence in counter. I have Fiscal Procurement numbers for this year in artillery shells and the U.S. Army's official listing of it's artillery stocks, Pre-Ukraine War. Absolutely no sign of growing stocks, rather the opposite, for one prominent example.



And yet, here you are breaking that by saying we actually have full stocks, or at least you claim.
I never said full stocks.
I never gave any information on what our stocks are at.
We will never actually know until war breaks out.
You will never truly know the stocks of Russia or Ukraine either.
 

History Learner

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I never said full stocks.
I never gave any information on what our stocks are at.
We will never actually know until war breaks out.
You will never truly know the stocks of Russia or Ukraine either.

Or, we can look at the publicly available data the U.S. Army puts out:





And then, remembering we supplied about one million shells to Ukraine this year, we can look at procurement data this year:

 

WolfBear

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Hence why I said it excluded Crimea and LDPR at the start of the conflict. The other three million exist in the portions of Ukraine occupied and still held since the start of the war, which includes urban areas like Melitopol and Severodonetsk.

I'm surprised that this number is that high, to be honest. Do you have a source for this?

And can Ukraine start drafting women if necessary like Israel already does?
 

History Learner

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I'm surprised that this number is that high, to be honest. Do you have a source for this?

Best guess off Pre-War population data and what we know about refugee status. Zaporizhia is a good example; the city and its environs are about 900,000 while the Oblast at large is ~1.7 million, meaning about half the population is under Russian control

And can Ukraine start drafting women if necessary like Israel already does?

They're letting women in, but they're having the same issues as the Germans in WWII; with the men at the front, they need women on the farms or factories. Sending both to the front rather quickly collapses civilian infrastructure.
 

History Learner

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Procurement is diffrent.

Different from stockpile? Sure, but given we know the average life of a shell is 20 years, we can find out how many the U.S. used in its conflicts and for training the last 22 years, we know how much they procured every year in this timeframe, we can thus figure out the existing stockpile. Shells don't magically appear in depots.

And 2020 was before the war.

Yes, hence why I also posted 2022 procurement data. Less than 100,000 shells procured, vs 1 million sent to Ukraine. What does that math look like?
 

WolfBear

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Best guess off Pre-War population data and what we know about refugee status. Zaporizhia is a good example; the city and its environs are about 900,000 while the Oblast at large is ~1.7 million, meaning about half the population is under Russian control



They're letting women in, but they're having the same issues as the Germans in WWII; with the men at the front, they need women on the farms or factories. Sending both to the front rather quickly collapses civilian infrastructure.

Interesting. Anyway, if Russia will kill all of the young Ukrainian men in battle (God forbid! Seriously!), then the women, children, and seniors would simply relocate en masse to Poland, et cetera, so Russia won't get all that many extra people, especially productive ones. It will get more Lebensraum but it already has enough of that, so ...

In such a scenario, Ukrainian women will have to reproduce with the help of Polish, et cetera sperm donors.
 

History Learner

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Interesting. Anyway, if Russia will kill all of the young Ukrainian men in battle (God forbid! Seriously!), then the women, children, and seniors would simply relocate en masse to Poland, et cetera, so Russia won't get all that many extra people, especially productive ones. It will get more Lebensraum but it already has enough of that, so ...

In such a scenario, Ukrainian women will have to reproduce with the help of Polish, et cetera sperm donors.

Russian strategic goal is the buffer space of Ukraine, given their position on the North European plain and the desire to anchor their borders on the natural barrier of the Dnieper or, ideally, the Carpathians. Likewise, control of the Ukrainian coastline grants Russia the dominant position in the Black Sea.

As for the Ukrainian women thing, that's....rather dark to consider.
 

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