Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

Tiamat

I've seen the future...
Are sailors being drawn to tanks? Holy shit, what a mess.
At the same time below in the answers it is explained that it was taken from.... Navy ammunition depot.
Yes, a fucking logistics sailor was put into a tank.
In a situation where they need logisticians.
Is this supposed to be the world's second army?
The best part is that it wasn't a Russian but a Tatar, and where he was found there were plenty of corpses from his unit.

Jesus, it’s like Germany in 1945 when they were pressing Kreigsmarine sailors into infantry roles.
 

Jormungandr

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To be fair there actually was a lot of genuine support for a unification of Austria with Germany and it was mostly France and Britain who were bitchy about that.
Even if the public wanted it, it was still more or less a "you can vote for yes or yes" situation (the original document actually had yes in big letters, while no was basically smaller and tucked away to the side. Not exactly subtle, heh).
 

WolfBear

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The 1st Guards Tank Army is Russia's Elite Army Formation, dedicated to protecting Moscow itself from Western Nazi Aggression. Sad.

If only Russia deployed it's best formations into Ukraine.

It's still not too late for this lol! Elite Russian troops are still very welcome to play the HIMARS lottery even right now! :D
 

ATP

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Germans did give us some tanks back when they had tanks to spare, those 1 euro Leopard 2's weren't so cheap in the long run.
Now they don't even have any left to give. Spain had some... third hand ones but in such bad state that they had to go for factory repairs, they are scheduled to go to Slovakia, while Slovakia gave Ukraine its modernized T-72's that Ukraine can use right away.

Logistics. Can Ukraine send a few divisions of engineers and technicians to learn to use these for months, and then deal with their massive logistical needs? F-16 for example is infamous for getting engine damage if there is debris on runways.
There is talk of Ukrainians training for F-16's now that it's pretty assured that they will last for said months, so that may get somewhere.
As for tanks, moving the 70 ton M1's around Ukraine's already crappy and now often war damaged infrastructure is going to be a bitch. People even whine that it's a problem in Poland. What Ukraine could use more is a big Bradley shipment to help them form mechanized infantry not based on shitty BMP-1's. But there the problem is that USA has hardly any spare Bradleys, they use almost all they have.

1.We still could get older Abrams.Enough for fighting soviets.When now we had maybe 450 tanks left.
If Moscov decide to attack,we would have problems.

And - i simply do not trust ANY Democrat president.They wanted sell part of Ukraine to Putin before war,why not sell Poland,too?

2.Abrams - then Ukraine would lost roads,but win
F.16 - then send older F.15.
Bradleys - you have point.

P.S i hear conspiracy theory about Dugina death - she supposed to get task of delivering money to Le Pen for elections,and somehow fucked it.So,she was KGB target,not her father.
 

Marduk

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1.We still could get older Abrams.Enough for fighting soviets.When now we had maybe 450 tanks left.
If Moscov decide to attack,we would have problems.
Moscow has nothing to attack with right now, and we will have new Abrams by the time that changes. No point in spending big millions on training whole divisions of tankers for old tank for 1 year because of your paranoia just to have to train them for new tank again.
2.Abrams - then Ukraine would lost roads,but win
Well all the other vehicles still need the roads. Also retraining maintenance staff is an issue.
So far they are doing ok in tanks, the main issue was always artillery and ammo for it, and western countries are sending just enough tubes to optimally use the unfortunately low amounts of ammo they can spare.
F.16 - then send older F.15.
How many old F-15's you think they have? Besides the F-15C is not very multirole, not compatible with newest, long ranged AMRAAM variants, and Russian airforce hardly flies anymore anyway, so it wouldn't be worth much in the end.

P.S i hear conspiracy theory about Dugina death - she supposed to get task of delivering money to Le Pen for elections,and somehow fucked it.So,she was KGB target,not her father.
The rumors i've heard are that she didn't fuck it *somehow*, she fucked it specifically by making too much of the money "disappear" during the transfer.
 

ATP

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Moscow has nothing to attack with right now, and we will have new Abrams by the time that changes. No point in spending big millions on training whole divisions of tankers for old tank for 1 year because of your paranoia just to have to train them for new tank again.

Well all the other vehicles still need the roads. Also retraining maintenance staff is an issue.
So far they are doing ok in tanks, the main issue was always artillery and ammo for it, and western countries are sending just enough tubes to optimally use the unfortunately low amounts of ammo they can spare.

How many old F-15's you think they have? Besides the F-15C is not very multirole, not compatible with newest, long ranged AMRAAM variants, and Russian airforce hardly flies anymore anyway, so it wouldn't be worth much in the end.


The rumors i've heard are that she didn't fuck it *somehow*, she fucked it specifically by making too much of the money "disappear" during the transfer.

1.I am paranoid,but am i paranoid enough? KGB is still GB,and Biden is still democrat who wanted sell part of Ukraine before war.
2.True about ammo,but soviets had nothing capable of killing Abrams.
3.Then send A-10 and F.15 as cover.
4.If true,she should be smarter.I would not steal from Putin even if i was Dugin son.
 

WolfBear

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1.I am paranoid,but am i paranoid enough? KGB is still GB,and Biden is still democrat who wanted sell part of Ukraine before war.

Biden simply said that a minor incursion would mean minor sanctions, which actually does make sense since Biden wanted to deter Putin from a large-scale invasion of Ukraine. Imposing heavy sanctions for minor incursions might have made a larger invasion much more likely. But of course once the larger invasion occurred anyway, Biden imposed extremely heavy sanctions.

It's similar to Germany: One could say that Nord Stream 2 was a foolish albeit well-meaning effort to get Putin to behave in Ukraine by still maintaining some economic ties with him. As in, the logic went along these lines: "Vlad, don't do anything stupid, crazy, and/or aggressive in Ukraine, or else we'll cut our remaining economic ties with you, which are still quite substantial!"
 

Marduk

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1.I am paranoid,but am i paranoid enough? KGB is still GB,and Biden is still democrat who wanted sell part of Ukraine before war.
Perhaps. But Russia doesn't have a spare second army to seriously invade Poland with. If they had one, they would be sending it to Ukraine few months ago.
2.True about ammo,but soviets had nothing capable of killing Abrams.
It's hard to destroy completely, but artillery and side shots can still knock it out well enough.
3.Then send A-10 and F.15 as cover.
The rumors are that F-16's and A-10's are in the cards. Training is ongoing, but no decisions. Same as with tanks, the lag could be with availability of technicians. It's worse than with tanks, the maintenance staff for F-16's can take years to train, as opposed to months for tanks, and with cruise missile strikes and the politics USA can't send private contractors as in Iraq or Afghanistan.
 

WolfBear

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87% of Ukrainians do not miss the USSR. Only 11% of Ukrainians still miss the USSR.


The full-scale Russian aggression against Ukraine has significantly affected the perceptions of ideological issues, especially those related to the “shared” Soviet history. The results of many years of observations in Ukraine and Russia confirmed the shift of public opinion in opposite directions regarding the historical past. An example of this is the rate of nostalgia for the collapse of the USSR: in Russia, it has mostly been increasing over the past ten years (since 2010, this indicator increased from 55% to 63%), while in Ukraine, it decreased (from 46% in 2010 to 11% in 2022). As a result, Ukrainian national heroes and symbols have begun replacing once significant and imposed by Soviet propaganda historical figures. Thus, as of the end of April 2022, the lowest level of nostalgia for the collapse of the USSR over the history of observations was recorded in Ukraine (11%). The vast majority of the respondents – 87% – do not miss the USSR.
 

WolfBear

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Rather, Goebels took from them.
Russians have had lying to themselves in their little finger for a very long time, the USSR only strengthened this tendency.

Good thing that only 1 in 11 Ukrainians still misses the USSR right now, then! This figure was 1 in 2 Ukrainians a decade ago.

When do you guys think that Ukraine's next census is going to be held? It was planned for 2023 but will very likely be delayed as a result of the current war.






Ukraine has not held any censuses since 2001:


This is actually a pattern similar to the Russian Empire, which held its first and only census in 1897 and then planned a new one for 1915 only to have it be cancelled due to World War I, with no new full census being held until 1926.
 

Sailor.X

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So they are putting the Screws on Putin?

Very Good. Maybe we can get someone who doesn't invade other countries and can maintain whatever remains of Russia's sphere through more sensible means. Ideally we can get Russia out of the Ukraine and avoid a power vacuum in the region,
The Russian people will have a lot of soul searching to do. Putin has made the West and Ukraine specifically despise Russia. It is the kind of hate that takes 2 to 3 Generations to correct. Russia's best bet is to unfuck the way they do things on a societal level and stop being so damned paranoid. Maybe in the Late 2070s they can get a 3rd chance on the world stage. But they have a lot of work to do to get there. Back in 1991 we gave them the benefit of the doubt freely. Now they will have to earn it.
 

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