Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

Zachowon

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Rant Mode ON: The whole 'Oooh WW2 helmets!' is such a BS argument considering its only now that helmets are coming out of that MIGHT stop rifle rounds while also being in any ways practical and usable. WW2 helmets that can stop incidental shrapnel while being comfortable enough that soldiers will actually wear them is basically 95%+ of the way there compared to any other helmet other than the claims of those newest models that are probably made of compressed $100 bills.

Rant Mode OFF: Yes, that kit they're wearing overall looks like crap and probably performs about as well as it looks...
Actually they can protect against richocets of the bullets and even smaller bullets from pistols, and stuff.

Hell, the ACH can protect very well and that has been around for the majority if the mid to late 2000s to now.
 

Buba

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And speaking of old helmets, WWI Adrian helmet is actually superior protection against blast waves than modern helmets are:
Took a look at the text - quite interesting. I'm curious if this surprisingly good protection against overhead blast effects might not be due to some effect of the mentioned crest/comb, but the ventilation hole underneath it? Maybe that does something scientific to the overpressure wave?
You can see that the comb is raised, with a void underneath:
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BTW - woke choice of photo in the linked text?
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
Took a look at the text - quite interesting. I'm curious if this surprisingly good protection against overhead blast effects might not be due to some effect of the mentioned crest/comb, but the ventilation hole underneath it? Maybe that does something scientific to the overpressure wave?
You can see that the comb is raised, with a void underneath:

Wasn't aware of the void, but yes, it might be that. I assume it would work somewhat like torpedo protection system or spaced armor. It would definitely affect the wave, though I can't say in what way exactly.

BTW - woke choice of photo in the linked text?

Yeah, just saw it.
 

WolfBear

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If Russia seizing the Donbass back in 2014 would have prevented this current war, then I would have been all in favor of this:


Would have ensured that the rest of Ukraine would be pro-Western while having thousands of people or more still be alive. And the Donbass wouldn't have had a Transnistria-like status for eight years.

Of course, Putin could have annexed the Donbass in late February of this year instead of invading all of Ukraine, but he regrettably chose not to and to instead go for the bolder, more riskier, and more deadly option. :(
 

Marduk

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If Russia seizing the Donbass back in 2014 would have prevented this current war, then I would have been all in favor of this:


Would have ensured that the rest of Ukraine would be pro-Western while having thousands of people or more still be alive. And the Donbass wouldn't have had a Transnistria-like status for eight years.

Of course, Putin could have annexed the Donbass in late February of this year instead of invading all of Ukraine, but he regrettably chose not to and to instead go for the bolder, more riskier, and more deadly option. :(
Well it would certainly be better for him than the current risk of losing the whole war...
But he wasn't thinking of that, and since 2014 had his eyes on the big prize, all of Ukraine, to control through a militant separatist proxy getting a veto over what the central government does.
Though doing it in 2014 may have saved Russia the PR disaster in form of 8 years of warlord rule with all the implications over the people Russia supposedly cares about and wants to protect.
 
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WolfBear

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Well it would certainly be better for him than the current risk of losing the whole war...
But he wasn't thinking of that, and since 2014 had his eyes on the big prize, all of Ukraine, to control through a militant separatist proxy getting a veto over what the central government does.
Though doing it in 2014 may have saved Russia the PR disaster in form of 8 years of warlord rule with all the implications over the people Russia supposedly cares about and wants to protect.

Yes, he wanted the Donbass as a tool for controlling all of Ukraine, as you said, but Ukraine was never actually going to agree to that, so the choices after eight years were either giving up on this goal (+/- annexing the Donbass) or outright invading all of Ukraine, which Putin ultimately chose to do.
 

ATP

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@Aldarion Found it!!!!!1111

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This is how the Adrian looks like without the comb! Look at the slit hidden under the comb!
Dunno if it was better - but,certainly look better then other helmets.And,since it was made by french,it was more sexy,too!
Becouse everything made in France MUST be sexy,right ? ;)
 

Husky_Khan

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Four Lion Cubs were born during the War in a breeding facility in Ukraine and orphaned due to the ongoing events. Animal Welfare organizations managed to evacuate them from the country and after a stint being cared for at the Poznan Zoo in Poland, they were brought to the magical land across the sea known as Minnesota to a Wildcat Sanctuary.


Ranging between four and five months years old, they are apparently too young for service in the AFU so it seems unlikely they will return to defend the country of their birth.

 

Marduk

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Seems like the odd casualty figures with badly translated labeling repeated by Milley finally have arrived to the EU admin and had to be explained as such.
So the new official claim is 100k Ukrainian soldiers *dead or injured*, and "over 20k" civilians likewise.
Spinant explained that the estimate voiced by von der Leyen had been taken from external sources and was supposed to refer to the losses in killed and wounded and "was intended to show the brutality of Russia".
 
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