Babylon 5 crossover recs and ideas.

[Spartan303]

Although after a certain point in the SG timeline IMHO, SG crossovers with B5 become less interesting because of the massive power disparity.

I think you might like this one. Its more of a character driven story.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8718318/1/The-crossing-of-all-borders

One idea I had for a B5 crossover was that the Centuari found the 12 Colonies of Kobol instead of Earth. As a result, the first cylon war kicks off as the Centuari are getting involved politically with the colonies. Thus, the first war ends not with a ceasefire, but with the cylons grabbing whatever ships they can and running for deep space where the Centuari can't follow, and the colonials don't have the resources to pursue.

Then, when the Dilgar war kicks off decades later, you have a human polity that has weaker ships with a different type of FTL instead of interceptors as their precursor tech. Most of their B5 tech would be Centauri knockoffs, so energy weapons yes, artificail gravity no. So the humans would take a lot more damage in the Dilgar war, and would probably end more in an armistice than a victory.

When the colonials finally get around to doing deep space exploration, turns out the cylons are still out there, now as a Minbari protectorate, and the colonial attack on the cylons is what kicks off the Colonial/Minbari or second Cylon war, depending on your perspective. Needless to say, it goes poorly for the humans, but the Minbari once more stop before the 12 colonies are fully destroyed.

I like the idea of the Centauri meeting the Colonials but not with Earth getting the Shaft and losing out. But I could see the Centauri pursuing a relationship with them independent of Earth.

Speaking of. I think you might like this one.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11507698/1/My-Enemy-s-Enemy-is-my-What

 

[Agent23]

I think you might like this one. Its more of a character driven story.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8718318/1/The-crossing-of-all-borders

Eh, I like to have some space combat, and stomping the Boneheads never gets old.
Besides, I was the stompfic thread's champion when a few of the pretentious prick reetards started raging about it back in the day.

But stompfics should be short and end once Bonehead Prime is blown to bits.

Which reminds me, I have a few ideas:

1) A crossover between Lexxx and Babylon 5, for the sheer insanity of it. In that universe IMHO most human civilizations were de facto Old One and above levels of firepower.

2) We've never had enough HH/anything crossovers, so a few Manticoran ships getting transported to the B5 Verse would be fun.

3) ISOT Tagon's Toughs to B5 circa the E-M war.

 

[Aaron Fox]

Homeworld technology, especially its sensors, is, frankly, ridiculously bullshit.

Railgun kinetic weapons may sound crude in comparison to the pew-pew DEW's of Babylon 5, but these railguns were capable of piercing armour plating and the decking of ships (even fighter craft!) that could survive fusion missiles to the face and an "uncontrolled, dynamic atmospheric entry" (crashing) onto a planet.

Those minbari fighters? They'd get slaughtered en-masse by Multigun Corvettes. Hell, I think the basic Scout would do it, let alone the Interceptors.

Assault Frigates would be a nightmare to minbari cruisers -- the latter are so delicate that if one of their gravimetric drive fins are damaged, the ship is basically crippled.

Not really. The drive fins are relatively unarmored. Minbari aren't stupid (or the Centauri, who skimp on armor as much as possible for more speed). Conservative, yes, stupid, no.

Also, please note that Shadow weapons aren't DEWs in the traditional sense; they're matter disruptors (specifically, the manipulation of the nuclear forces), and Minbari armor is capable of taking three strikes of the slicers (the main gun of a Battlecrab) before it goes into the internals and blows the Sharlin up.

To everyone outside the 3rd Space Aliens and Vorlons? That's a feat without comparison.

I believe the reason within the setting is that Minbari ships are completely optimized to counter the energy weapons of the Shadows and their thrals. They can at the very least survive one full power shot from a spider ship unless it hits the reactors. Unfortunately their armor is very susceptible to kinetic impactors.

No, the thing with B5 is that kinetic weapons are available... it's just 1) they're slower than the 'significant portions of or literal light speed' that the various DEWs can achieve, 2) rely on ammunition, 3) are generally armor piercing anyway, and 4) are power hogs (there is a version of the Nova class that has something on the order of 36 human railguns... and it made it an absolute pain in the ass to power all those guns, note that an Artemis class frigate subclass was fitted with two, but it overtaxed the power plant of the poor thing and turned an excellent ship into an outright lemon). Minbari armor is just as good against them as DEWs.

Remember, Minbari Sharlin class ships take three hits of Shadow Slicers to die.

A Homeworld ship, on the other hand, probably kicks B5 humanity out of the top spot for fusion engines (humans in B5 are really good at fusion reactors, fusion engines, fusion warheads, and missiles to name a few).

Would you have a link to those stories by chance?

I'll have to dig for the SotS one, as it's incredibly old (we're talking a literal decade) and unfinished.

You are quite right about the end of the series, I like to think that seasons 3 and 4 are Roslin's dying fever dream while on New Caprica, it makes it easier to stomach.

Well, to be honest, everyone in the fleet was at the literal end of their mental ropes by that point, and it isn't like they can maintain ships that are in serious need of an overhaul in a top-rate shipyard at best or outright need of scrapping at worst...

 

[Ash's Boomstick]

Well, to be honest, everyone in the fleet was at the literal end of their mental ropes by that point, and it isn't like they can maintain ships that are in serious need of an overhaul in a top-rate shipyard at best or outright need of scrapping at worst...

They didn't need to, what they also didn't need to to get rid of every scrap of tech and start again. That idiot action probably killed a good percentage of what was left of the colonial refugee survivors by that point, Apollo should have been shot for his actions there. At the least they could have left the ships in orbit of the moon or further out in the Solar System in case something was needed, also did they ask everyone if they thought it was a good idea or was it carte blanche by the old man?

 

[Aaron Fox]

They didn't need to, what they also didn't need to to get rid of every scrap of tech and start again. That idiot action probably killed a good percentage of what was left of the colonial refugee survivors by that point, Apollo should have been shot for his actions there. At the least they could have left the ships in orbit of the moon or further out in the Solar System in case something was needed, also did they ask everyone if they thought it was a good idea or was it carte blanche by the old man?

Sadly, they didn't have much to work with in the first place. Also, it is less 'start completely from scratch' and more 'scavenge everything they could' which wasn't much...

... but this is getting into a derail.

 

[Ash's Boomstick]

Sadly, they didn't have much to work with in the first place. Also, it is less 'start completely from scratch' and more 'scavenge everything they could' which wasn't much...

... but this is getting into a derail.

Start an nBSG deconstruction thread?

Ok actually back on topic, I have had more than a few B5 fic ideas that petered out as I guess a few of us have. How about people post the ideas they threw away and maybe let others pick up?

 

[Agent23]

Start an nBSG deconstruction thread?

Ok actually back on topic, I have had more than a few B5 fic ideas that petered out as I guess a few of us have. How about people post the ideas they threw away and maybe let others pick up?

How do you deconstruct what is already a deconstruction?

I am pretty sure RDM wanted an anti-Trek/darker and edgier and more plausible scifi.
I think it, Farscape and Lexxx were prime examples of that.

Which reminds me, I think AlbertG was writing a fairly interesting Farscape/Babylon 5 crossover, but it fell by the wayside or something, probably because he is busy with ATV.

Also, there was another fairly decent Farscape/Babylon 5 crossover I found once upon a time on fanfiction.net, by an Ian K iirc.

Pretty character-driven and somewhat sappy, with character development reminiscent of a Hornblower novel and written before the last season and miniseries that finished off Farscape, but it was pretty decent non the less.

 

[Ash's Boomstick]

How do you deconstruct what is already a deconstruction?

I am pretty sure RDM wanted an anti-Trek/darker and edgier and more plausible scifi.
I think it, Farscape and Lexxx were prime examples of that.

Which reminds me, I think AlbertG was writing a fairly interesting Farscape/Babylon 5 crossover, but it fell by the wayside or something, probably because he is busy with ATV.

Also, there was another fairly decent Farscape/Babylon 5 crossover I found once upon a time on fanfiction.net, by an Ian K iirc.

Pretty character-driven and somewhat sappy, with character development reminiscent of a Hornblower novel and written before the last season and miniseries that finished off Farscape, but it was pretty decent non the less.

Yes I remember the Ian K one, it wasn't bad at all.

As for deconstruction I meant more actually taking it apart and looking it over piece by piece, what went wrong and why.

 

[Agent23]

Yes I remember the Ian K one, it wasn't bad at all.

Found it, it is part of a 5 book series:

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/638933/1/Farscape-Babylon-Book-One-Alas-Babylon


He also had a pretty fun crossover between JAG and Farscape, btw:

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/754296/1/The-Visitors-aka-JAGScape

As for deconstruction I meant more actually taking it apart and looking it over piece by piece, what went wrong and why.

Well, IMHO Galactica was always something that shows what went wrong with Trek, VOY in particular.

In any case, back on topic, I think that a crossover between Babylon 5 and X-COM could be fun.In the bonehead-cracking manner.

And of course having a crossover with The Expanse can be loads of fun, with the Cold War between Mars and Earth spreading into the galaxy.

 

[Spartan303]

Had an idea of Earth Alliance Earth, just before the Battle of the Line, gets ISOT'd to the BTech universe into the Periphery. Similar to the GDI idea, but there is no way to make that one without Tiberium spreading everywhere.

As for the EA, no one knows how or why it happened. Unfortunately everything outside of Sol didn't make it, so Earth is now confined to its solar system again. They begin by rebuilding the beacon network as they slowly begin expanding outward. Earth needs to replace its badly depleted fleet and so begins building the Omega class once they repair and refit their remaining Hyperions and Novas. Earth finds that there are at least 3 dozen worlds, most of them fairly habitable and lacking any claim and with small to almost non existent human presence, they simply just move in and claim them and begin colonization and development of them.

Ordinarily such naked colonialism would be frowned upon, but these people have virtually nothing left after dealing with pirates and raiders for centuries after being abandoned by the Inner Sphere.

So Earth is expanding, rebuilding and eventually meets the Oberon confederation and the Hanseatic League and establish trade with them. Through them they learn of the Inner Sphere and the fall of the Star League and the Succession wars. And through the League and the Confederation Comstar learns of the Alliance.

The story would be Alliance focused as they build up and forge relations, though they're hesitant to approach any of the Inner Sphere powers while still in such a weakened state. Eventually they make a big discovery that is something they cant ignore, but unfortunately for them, its something the Clans have been looking for too, which sets the stage for a conflict with one of them, Jade Falcon and possibly Snow Raven.

 

[Aaron Fox]

Found the SotS/B5 fic: The Avalon Incident. Made well before the reveals of SotS2 (i.e., what the Suul-ka really are and just who The Black really is). Very old, to be honest. Thanks to SotS2, we know just how sizeable local space is (it's roughly 50 lightyears in diameter)...

Also, SotS2 leans more heavily on the Traveller references, with some Robotech references as well (top-tier antimatter missile warheads and reactors references to 'Reflex' warheads and reactors, respectively).

Adding SotS2 content would make the matchup even more lopsided, though.

 

[Doomsought]

Unfortunately the Avalon incident ends stopped updating just as soon as it started getting into the rising action.

 

[AJW]

I have thought about doing a fic where the Earth Alliance stumbles across the 12 colonies several months before the outbreak of the Second Cylon War. Both branches of humanity would naturally be quite surprised to encounter each other but at the same time are eager to talk.

Of course the Cylons would hate it since EA life scanners can tell the difference between a human and a Cylon.

 

[Kevral]

I have thought about doing a fic where the Earth Alliance stumbles across the 12 colonies several months before the outbreak of the Second Cylon War. Both branches of humanity would naturally be quite surprised to encounter each other but at the same time are eager to talk.

Of course the Cylons would hate it since EA life scanners can tell the difference between a human and a Cylon.

Sounds interesting.
What time period would it be for the EA?
It's be interesting to see the Cylons see an Omega and initially before taking a proper look laugh it off because it has centrifugal gravity.
Oh and viper pilots reactions to the best fighter ever - the star fury

 

[DarthOne]

I confess, more than once I've toyed with the idea of IOST'ing a Shadow world or two into Starcraft. Though I would add that if I wrote this story I'd be mostly ignoring the Starcraft 2 games and storyline. Because I think they're a damn disgrace.


Another idea I had a while back would involve throwing in some Advance Omega Destoyers (aka Shadow Omegas) into Halo.

Battle of Circinius IV Force add: Omega-Xs (Halo/Babylon 5)

The UNSC forces over the planet Circinius IV receive some very unusual reinforcements in the form of five Earthforce Advanced Omega Destroyers (Babylon 5 franchise). The Advanced Omegas and UNSC force will cooperate with each other against the Covenant attackers and attempt to drive off or...

www.frozenincarbonite.org

 

[AJW]

Sounds interesting.
What time period would it be for the EA?
It's be interesting to see the Cylons see an Omega and initially before taking a proper look laugh it off because it has centrifugal gravity.
Oh and viper pilots reactions to the best fighter ever - the star fury

I was thinking after the Earth-Minbari War but before the beginning of season one of Babylon 5 in other words in the ten year period between the end of the war and the commissioning of Babylon 5.

Both the Cylons and the Colonials would likely scoff somewhat at an Omega-class destroyer since it uses centrifugal gravity and doesn't generate its own artificial gravity field like their ships do - using something called loray field generators - at least until they actually see its immense firepower. After all in a fic setting were not limited by the VFX budget of the show so I can show things like the forward plasma mortars firing not to mention the lateral missile tubes.

 

[Ash's Boomstick]

I was thinking after the Earth-Minbari War but before the beginning of season one of Babylon 5 in other words in the ten year period between the end of the war and the commissioning of Babylon 5.

Both the Cylons and the Colonials would likely scoff somewhat at an Omega-class destroyer since it uses centrifugal gravity and doesn't generate its own artificial gravity field like their ships do - using something called loray field generators - at least until they actually see its immense firepower. After all in a fic setting were not limited by the VFX budget of the show so I can show things like the forward plasma mortars firing not to mention the lateral missile tubes.

Thats a lot of firepower and even though it had a spinning section, its still a big ship, almost as long as the Pegasus and still quite massive if not bulky like the Battlestars. Then of course imagine a Cylon ship unleashing its missiles and all of them quite easily picked off by Interceptor or Starfury fire. Both have shown on screen they are more capable than the Galactica's flak batteries in intercepting multiple missiles/shots.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

And then those main batteries hitting a Base Star at range...

 

[Ash's Boomstick]

And then those main batteries hitting a Base Star at range...

It slices, it dices. it make french fries.

 

[Kevral]

I was thinking after the Earth-Minbari War but before the beginning of season one of Babylon 5 in other words in the ten year period between the end of the war and the commissioning of Babylon 5.

Both the Cylons and the Colonials would likely scoff somewhat at an Omega-class destroyer since it uses centrifugal gravity and doesn't generate its own artificial gravity field like their ships do - using something called loray field generators - at least until they actually see its immense firepower. After all in a fic setting were not limited by the VFX budget of the show so I can show things like the forward plasma mortars firing not to mention the lateral missile tubes.

It'd be interesting as well as the EA would have a reverse Centauri issue - Centauri discovering Earth and claiming to be related when they're not and Earth discovering the colonies but actually being related (presumably).

Would an explorer make initial contact/discovery?

Once the Cylons find out how would that affect 'the plan'? As this isn't Earth's first rodeo so to speak and so soon after the war I can see them being very cautious with everything. This however I can see leading to Cavil saying this is a gift from God (not that he believes). It gives us Cylons a chance to rid the galaxy of all humanity even the colonies backwards cousins with their primitive ships