Religion Being Winsome and Nice Won’t Cut It Anymore, Christian

[King Arts]

No.

"Interfaith" events are a fucking joke.

I’m sorry this is nonsense. This is why I roll my eyes at Protestants. Jews and Muslims are able to work together in Europe when their interests align like kosher/halal food when Europeans try to restrict it because of animal cruelty. And they hate each other. The solution is simple have Bishops meet with rabbis and Imams and see if an alliance can be drawn up we won’t attack each other and work to politically defend our interests. Don’t compromise on our faith but if they want our votes to legalize things like circumcised or their food stuff ok. See what they want, give them our demands and work out a deal. It’s a crazy day when I’m agreeing with Bacle.

 

[posh-goofiness]

No. Because what you're suggesting is still giving up on matters of faith. You can pretend otherwise, but even your examples of potential concessions in a compromise are things that are rooted in their faith, not ours amd they will give us nothing in return.

We've had nearly 50+ years of this interfaith, enemy-of-my-enemy type shit and its been an utter disaster. Every damn time, it turns around and bites us in the dick.

Cooperation on an "interfaith" basis is simple convenience on very narrow issues. At all other times, they are still enemies.

 

[Marduk]

I’m sorry this is nonsense. This is why I roll my eyes at Protestants. Jews and Muslims are able to work together in Europe when their interests align like kosher/halal food when Europeans try to restrict it because of animal cruelty. And they hate each other. The solution is simple have Bishops meet with rabbis and Imams and see if an alliance can be drawn up we won’t attack each other and work to politically defend our interests. Don’t compromise on our faith but if they want our votes to legalize things like circumcised or their food stuff ok. See what they want, give them our demands and work out a deal. It’s a crazy day when I’m agreeing with Bacle.

The leftist establishment is unwilling to tell either Jews or Muslims to get fucked, at least not openly, if they petition for something. Protestants though...

 

[Cherico]

The leftist establishment is unwilling to tell either Jews or Muslims to get fucked, at least not openly, if they petition for something. Protestants though...

Going to slightly disagree, the leftist establishment is very welling to use jews as sheilds but has zero problems telling them to get fucked when nessary.

Muslims are currently being used as a weapon against the majority power but I think both sides of that deal know one side is going to eventually stab the other in the back to come up supreme.

 

[King Arts]

No. Because what you're suggesting is still giving up on matters of faith. You can pretend otherwise, but even your examples of potential concessions in a compromise are things that are rooted in their faith, not ours amd they will give us nothing in return.

We've had nearly 50+ years of this interfaith, enemy-of-my-enemy type shit and its been an utter disaster. Every damn time, it turns around and bites us in the dick.

Cooperation on an "interfaith" basis is simple convenience on very narrow issues. At all other times, they are still enemies.

What are you talking about. What kind of weird protestant cult are you in? Like give us concrete examples on how agreeing to be against the government putting restrictions on kosher or halal food is a compromise on things that are rooted in our faith. As Christians we don't give a shit about the exact method of slaughter about animals we should not be fucking allying with PETA.

What I was saying is we should be willing to compromise on political issues, they don't even matter all that much anymore anyway. Because these nations aren't ours anymore. So yes we can agree with them to stop supporting neo cons and their interventions or whatever. Beyond that I'm not sure, what do we want from them?

Also you complain about allying and not getting anything, the problem is you haven't allied with anyone. That's the problem with you protestants each small town church does it's own thing. I said BISHOPS the leaders of the Church the actual smart people go out there and decide what we want and make deals with the Muslims and Jews. If you don't have a Church hierarchy you aren't a church you don't have people who you can trust to make decisions and then give orders so things are done well. Like hell I'm not saying be like the Catholics but even Jews and Muslims have some organization.

The leftist establishment is unwilling to tell either Jews or Muslims to get fucked, at least not openly, if they petition for something. Protestants though...

I mean it is a thing.

Belgian lawmakers ditch bill to ban kosher and halal slaughter in Brussels

Local parliament votes to scrap proposal, keeping Belgium's capital as the only part of the country where ritual slaughter is still legal

www.timesofisrael.com

Also I don't care about protestants it's the fact they are going against all Christians that is the problem.

 

[ATP]

Going to slightly disagree, the leftist establishment is very welling to use jews as sheilds but has zero problems telling them to get fucked when nessary.

Muslims are currently being used as a weapon against the majority power but I think both sides of that deal know one side is going to eventually stab the other in the back to come up supreme.

Indeed.Muslims are supported by current establishment,so they do not have reasons to support christians.Both sides want us dead after all.
And jews still have their holy cows position,unless attacker are muslims.So,they do not have reasons to seek cooperation,too.

It is only sane catholics and sane protestants now .Not enough to bother making any coalition.

 

[Cherico]

Indeed.Muslims are supported by current establishment,so they do not have reasons to support christians.Both sides want us dead after all.
And jews still have their holy cows position,unless attacker are muslims.So,they do not have reasons to seek cooperation,too.

It is only sane catholics and sane protestants now .Not enough to bother making any coalition.

There is a whole lot of anti semitism on the left I mean a lot.

They dont talk about it but its there and its bad.

 

[The Original Sixth]

I'd recommend that Christians probably start also doing more interfaith events; lots of other religions out there have the same target on their back when it comes to trannies, and may be able to give a heads up if something fucky might be about to happen.

No, because that's not really growing your brand.

What Christians need to do is create more holidays that draw in crowds. The reason why religion in the US is fading isn't that it's outdated, but because these churches aren't focal points. Congress removed a pastor's fundamental right to express political opinions to castrate them politically, then they started providing charity through state programs, which castrated them socially. Throw in competition with media, sports, and other events and no one has time for churches anymore.

What churches need to do is throw large celebrations that DRAW people in. Fun celebrations, not "bow your head and love God for 3 hours". I'm talking about parades, festivals, and shows. Somethings kids will be interested in going to. Holidays which will celebrate the more obscure aspects of Christianity, such as angels or saints. Something that lets people dress up in costumes and blow off work.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

No, because that's not really growing your brand.

What Christians need to do is create more holidays that draw in crowds. The reason why religion in the US is fading isn't that it's outdated, but because these churches aren't focal points. Congress removed a pastor's fundamental right to express political opinions to castrate them politically, then they started providing charity through state programs, which castrated them socially. Throw in competition with media, sports, and other events and no one has time for churches anymore.

What churches need to do is throw large celebrations that DRAW people in. Fun celebrations, not "bow your head and love God for 3 hours". I'm talking about parades, festivals, and shows. Somethings kids will be interested in going to. Holidays which will celebrate the more obscure aspects of Christianity, such as angels or saints. Something that lets people dress up in costumes and blow off work.

No, what Christians need to do is go out from their safe spaces and into the world to bring the Jesus' works to all. Not with judgment, not with confrontation, but with open minds and open hearts. They need to spend their time helping others deal with life, not with money, but with action, kindness and faith.

 

[The Original Sixth]

No, what Christians need to do is go out from their safe spaces and into the world to bring the Jesus' works to all. Not with judgment, not with confrontation, but with open minds and open hearts. They need to spend their time helping others deal with life, not with money, but with action, kindness and faith.

People get that useless shit from their phones. What people crave right now is community. Creating holidays and celebrations that allow people to mingle is the best first step forward.

 

[Cherico]

People get that useless shit from their phones. What people crave right now is community. Creating holidays and celebrations that allow people to mingle is the best first step forward.

You can't have both?

 

[Marduk]

No, because that's not really growing your brand.

What Christians need to do is create more holidays that draw in crowds. The reason why religion in the US is fading isn't that it's outdated, but because these churches aren't focal points. Congress removed a pastor's fundamental right to express political opinions to castrate them politically, then they started providing charity through state programs, which castrated them socially. Throw in competition with media, sports, and other events and no one has time for churches anymore.

What churches need to do is throw large celebrations that DRAW people in. Fun celebrations, not "bow your head and love God for 3 hours". I'm talking about parades, festivals, and shows. Somethings kids will be interested in going to. Holidays which will celebrate the more obscure aspects of Christianity, such as angels or saints. Something that lets people dress up in costumes and blow off work.

You are onto something here, it's something i've thought of independently, but i would not focus on holidays specifically, those would be an addition to a longer list, because let's be realistic, out-competing "media, sports and other events" in this regard is not something easily done.
It's an issue i would call "community role of the church", and look at history to see what relevance to local communities it had (and in some less developed societies of Christian and other religions still does), and the idea would be to restore some of the same, perhaps even some of new similar areas.

A look at the competition also works. Why is it that even in western cities, a good chunk of mosques are merely a section of an "Islamic culture center" or something like that, fulfilling a lot more roles than being merely a place of worship?

 

[DarthOne]

You can't have both?

This. Also the self worship they get from their phones and social media isn’t what people need. It’s not healthy for them.

 

[DarthOne]

No, because that's not really growing your brand.

What Christians need to do is create more holidays that draw in crowds. The reason why religion in the US is fading isn't that it's outdated, but because these churches aren't focal points. Congress removed a pastor's fundamental right to express political opinions to castrate them politically, then they started providing charity through state programs, which castrated them socially. Throw in competition with media, sports, and other events and no one has time for churches anymore.

What churches need to do is throw large celebrations that DRAW people in. Fun celebrations, not "bow your head and love God for 3 hours". I'm talking about parades, festivals, and shows. Somethings kids will be interested in going to. Holidays which will celebrate the more obscure aspects of Christianity, such as angels or saints. Something that lets people dress up in costumes and blow off work.

I would suggest removing those restrictions on the pastors. And it’s not as if the state programs won’t be in for a rough time in the coming years. It’s more then likely the government will be forced to downsize them or something else (looks at the USA’s absurdly large military, the taxpayer money sent to NATO and send overseas as danegild to other nations) to keep them working at anything close to what they are now.

Which I think is a good thing: it’ll suck, sure. But the removal of this system will force society to coarse correct towards the old days and encourage people to have kids to take care of them in their old age. Basically things will hopefully go back to the way they are, not just with the church but with society as a whole.

Likewise I think the media will be less of a competitor; both due to the rise of tools that decentralize the need for creativity but also because as noted above the age of ‘easy money’ is coming to an end.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

People get that useless shit from their phones. What people crave right now is community.

No, they don't. That's the point. I'm not talking about random interactions. I'm talking about being present in someone else's life and providing a sense of the very community you're talking about. Welcome all to Christ's community.

 

[King Arts]

No, because that's not really growing your brand.

What Christians need to do is create more holidays that draw in crowds. The reason why religion in the US is fading isn't that it's outdated, but because these churches aren't focal points. Congress removed a pastor's fundamental right to express political opinions to castrate them politically, then they started providing charity through state programs, which castrated them socially. Throw in competition with media, sports, and other events and no one has time for churches anymore.

What churches need to do is throw large celebrations that DRAW people in. Fun celebrations, not "bow your head and love God for 3 hours". I'm talking about parades, festivals, and shows. Somethings kids will be interested in going to. Holidays which will celebrate the more obscure aspects of Christianity, such as angels or saints. Something that lets people dress up in costumes and blow off work.

The traditional church’s Catholics and orthodox have this in the books they just need to start celebrating them more openly, and let others know about it.

 

[The Original Sixth]

The traditional church’s Catholics and orthodox have this in the books they just need to start celebrating them more openly, and let others know about it.

Basically. Start showing festivals with more monstrous angels or the more ghoulish aspect of Christianity.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attra...Museum_and_Crypt_of_Capuchins-Rome_Lazio.html

Start showing demons, devils, shades, and all that stuff. Draw people in with festivals. The problem isn't that people aren't willing to believe, it's that Christianity has taken on a very sanitized image and has been repeatedly under attack by atheists wishing to discredit the faith.

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Basically, the Church and the religion in general need to inject some macabre into the faith.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I think the restoration of the Saints days and feasts is a wonderful idea. It doesn't just help people connect with a Christian heritage, but it gives them much needed days off work.

 

[ATP]

There is a whole lot of anti semitism on the left I mean a lot.

They dont talk about it but its there and its bad.

And always were.But,they would not act on it till they destroy their main enemy - Christians.And jews would not help christians till they would be persecuted - but then it would be too late.

P.S Happy Easter !

 

[Cherico]

And always were.But,they would not act on it till they destroy their main enemy - Christians.And jews would not help christians till they would be persecuted - but then it would be too late.

P.S Happy Easter !

Meh I can Passover it