Black Hammer: A Sietch for the Colonized

Husky_Khan

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Have any of you heard about this yet? Apparently some people (who run a very trollish Twitter account where they call Anne Frank a colonizer for example) are trying to create some mountain colony "Hammer City" which only allows those of the "Colonized" races to live in.



They got GOOD mountain valley soil, and uhhh lakes and rivers and stuff so... halfway on their way to subsistence farming. If you wish to support this noble cause they do have a GoFundMe and can donate also via the CashApp!

Anyways... the only reason I heard about this is because of this story... I guess they have membership tiers?



Sadly while the membership isn't "Colonized" exclusive, it still doesn't confer a pass on White people to use the word 'Nigger' even if you buy the 'Mao Tier' of membership. Sad.
 

Bear Ribs

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Yeah, I've been reading up on them a bit. Looks like another scam though. I will say it's theoretically possible for them to pull off some successful communism at the scale they're working with. Conventional wisdom is that you need a min. 5-10 acres to support a single human, depending on the growing season. Colorado mountains having a growing season about ten minutes long before winter sets in, we can safely assume it's closer to 10. That means they only have enough land to sustain 20 people at most, which is a small enough group for communal living to actually work. As I've said before, communism does work if the group is extremely small and starts out with everybody dedicated enough, it's when it gets past the size of an extended family that it goes haywire.

I do like their plans for the place.

  • No cops, no rent, no Coronavirus, and no white people
Apparently Coronavirus is just going to respect their wishes and not infect anybody in Hammer City. Seems legit.

Their constitution is all over the place though. They don't seem to get that you want your laws or legal framework there rather than just power slogans. To be fair there's some rules there but a lot of feel-good stuff that has no meaning, such as a law that the national government is only allowed to interfere in local governments (How many layers they need for 200 acres, I'm not sure) if said government thinks it's for the benefit of the people. In real terms that pretty much means the national government rules anything forever any time it wants. I do rather like article 26, in their bills of rights, which legally obligates you to publicly criticize and then report anybody who isn't sufficiently "with the program." Article 21 can never be amended but all it says is that laboring is a duty and honor so... it's one of their feelgood pap lines.
 

prinCZess

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Conventional wisdom is that you need a min. 5-10 acres to support a single human, depending on the growing season. Colorado mountains having a growing season about ten minutes long before winter sets in, we can safely assume it's closer to 10.
Even then, unless they're right-quick establishing a great deal of greenhouse growth and bulldozing ravines and stuff to make for flat terraces to plant across and prevent rain-escape and erosion with heaps of fertilizer usage (which contradicts their stated goal of sustainability and such)...Might want to raise that exponentially for one person even still because Colorado mountains are not known for high-quality soil...Particularly when its high desert terrain at "10,000 feet above sea level".

Judging by photos, they're in scrub-brush and tree territory. Trying to raise grains, or fruits, or vegetables is going to be...challenging, to put it lightly. Natives used lands like that for pass-through hunting in summer months, not permanent settlement. Because in the winters you get...Well, the Donner Party experienced the style of winter such areas get. Yards-deep snows are hard to live in. If they were camping or summer-habitating it might make sense, but their goals are stated to be a city so...

All that said, I'm pretty sure this is a grift. The inflammatory social-media shit ('Anne Frank was a yt colonizer'), the lack of any details on anything (where the supposed land is, proof that the land is theirs as opposed to a park they went camping in), the sheer, unabashed idiocy of what 'plan' there is (discounting everything above...making earthbag homes from the rocky-ass ground they've got is going to be another toughie, it's just...layers of city-person who read an article on mother earth news but doesn't actually know anything...)

There's a handful of folks getting a bunch of money. They might have bought themselves a big batch of Colorado mountain-land that'd make for fun summer camping it seems. I wouldn't believe much else of anything they claim.
If they aren't grifters and CAN manage to live on the land, I will be legitimately impressed.
Hopefully nobody dies in the attempt if they aren't grifters.
 

Bacle

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So looking further around the web, if looks like the location is likely somewhere in western CO.

200 acres of scrub land out there could be a lot of places, if this is legit and not a scam.
 

Bear Ribs

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Naw, clearly not a grift, look at these land liberators:

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Chiefs Coyotl, Anco, and Savvy

Do these look like city grifters rather than experienced farmers who know how to coax an abundance out of the rocky mountains?

Going off their posts, up until the beginning of this year they were trying buy some some place called Turtle Island in Florida, but they've decided that Florida is too overrun with COVID. This is a bit odd given that Colorado's only slightly behind Florida (9,004 vs. 10,474). I think an alternate theory is that Florida Man found them too crazy for his tastes and booted them out.
 

Bacle

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Green houses; CO gets a lot of sun even in the winter, and if they can keep snow build-up off the roofs, they could put together a decent year round growing situation.

Hydroponics in the green houses would probably not be a horrible idea, as it would reduce water usage overall.
 

Bear Ribs

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@prinCZess @Bacle or anyone else who wants to answer:

Random question, would they be better off using greenhouses or some form of hyrdroponics?
No to both. The issue is just one of space and energy.

Hydroponics indoors takes a lot of energy to power the lights. It gets expensive fairly quickly and they clearly aren't planning on a massive energy station in their earthbag city.

Meanwhile greenhouses take a lot of glass. There's a reason they're used primarily for small, high-value plants like fifty-dollar-a-bunch roses and not for, say, walnut trees. Managing to get enough glass for a 200-acre wheat field or whatever they're planning to grow food with would be a monstrous undertaking worthy of somebody like Elon Musk rather than Chief Savvy up there. The amount of glass and steel to build it simply gets ridiculous when you get past "flowerpot" and into "serious acreage."

My best idea(I have relatively little data on their actual location) for actual, usable agriculture for their land would be sheep or goat farming. Sheep are generally well-able to handle miserable cold weather, eat relatively low-quality plants compared to cattle or horses, and produce a significant amount of meat as well as wool and leather. They'd have to engage in a solid amount of trade, of course, for everything that isn't sheep meat. They might also be able to run Russian Dark bees for honey, those are pretty cold resistant, and there might be a chicken breed I'm not aware of that can handle it. However ultimately they'll need to trade with the colonizers anyway, you simply can't keep a group on 200 acres and survive without trade.

Of course given their other politics I suspect they're militant vegetarians and eating their sheep allies won't fly.
 

DarthOne

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No to both. The issue is just one of space and energy.

Hydroponics indoors takes a lot of energy to power the lights. It gets expensive fairly quickly and they clearly aren't planning on a massive energy station in their earthbag city.

Meanwhile greenhouses take a lot of glass. There's a reason they're used primarily for small, high-value plants like fifty-dollar-a-bunch roses and not for, say, walnut trees. Managing to get enough glass for a 200-acre wheat field or whatever they're planning to grow food with would be a monstrous undertaking worthy of somebody like Elon Musk rather than Chief Savvy up there. The amount of glass and steel to build it simply gets ridiculous when you get past "flowerpot" and into "serious acreage."

My best idea(I have relatively little data on their actual location) for actual, usable agriculture for their land would be sheep or goat farming. Sheep are generally well-able to handle miserable cold weather, eat relatively low-quality plants compared to cattle or horses, and produce a significant amount of meat as well as wool and leather. They'd have to engage in a solid amount of trade, of course, for everything that isn't sheep meat. They might also be able to run Russian Dark bees for honey, those are pretty cold resistant, and there might be a chicken breed I'm not aware of that can handle it. However ultimately they'll need to trade with the colonizers anyway, you simply can't keep a group on 200 acres and survive without trade.

Of course given their other politics I suspect they're militant vegetarians and eating their sheep allies won't fly.
I wasn't trying to imply that they'd cover all 200-aces of land with greenhouses; my apologies for the misunderstanding there.

And I'm guessing building the hydroponics/greenhouses mostly underground bar a glass roof or using the nearby mountain streams for hydro-power is out of the question. Not that I suspect either would help....maybe they'd be better off growing mushrooms in underground chambers, but I imagine that runs into issues of how to keep the chambers warm enough, much less building the darn things.
 

Emperor Tippy

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Yeah, I do wonder why they would buy the land in CO. I mean West Virginia is at least as cheap and is generally a great deal better when it comes to sustainability and ease of growing things.
 

Bacle

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I wasn't trying to imply that they'd cover all 200-aces of land with greenhouses; my apologies for the misunderstanding there.

And I'm guessing building the hydroponics/greenhouses mostly underground bar a glass roof or using the nearby mountain streams for hydro-power is out of the question. Not that I suspect either would help....maybe they'd be better off growing mushrooms in underground chambers, but I imagine that runs into issues of how to keep the chambers warm enough, much less building the darn things.
Depending on where this is, trying to dig basements or such may be...tricky, without explosives and major equipment.

The soil is also likely to be rather thin and rocky, with layers of granite or metamorphics close to the surface.
 

Bear Ribs

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I wasn't trying to imply that they'd cover all 200-aces of land with greenhouses; my apologies for the misunderstanding there.

And I'm guessing building the hydroponics/greenhouses mostly underground bar a glass roof or using the nearby mountain streams for hydro-power is out of the question. Not that I suspect either would help....maybe they'd be better off growing mushrooms in underground chambers, but I imagine that runs into issues of how to keep the chambers warm enough, much less building the darn things.
Ah, fair enough, a greenhouse for luxury plants and getting a head start on vegetables is a good idea, as a supplement to whatever they can actually grow outside. It's just that few people get how many acres of land it takes to feed a person.

Underground housing is a decent idea for where they are assuming they have engineers capable of pulling it off. Underground growing runs into the problem that since the plants are surrounded by dirt on four sides, they only get four or five hours of direct sunlight a day instead of 12, and they're going to need all they can get to grow there.

Hydropower is possible but assuming their pictures are the actual land and not some stock photo, it looks far too dry to have a good river on it as opposed to a seasonal stream. Maintaining a hydroplant year-round is going to require that they build a dam in order to have a reservoir to power it during the dry season. That's going to run into all sorts of other issues, both the fact that usually building a reservoir is strongly controlled by the state* and you need a pretty solid engineering team to build a dam and hydroelectric plant.

*You do not technically own the water flowing in the river, and the folks downriver tend to get salty if you hoard it and there's nothing left for them, see the Water Wars where Arizona built themselves a brown-water navy to attack California for sucking too much out of the Colorado River. Black Hammer deciding they're also going to take a big chunk of that river for themselves is not going to go over well.
 

Bear Ribs

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