Canadian Military Discussion Thread

[TheRomanSlayer]

So I noticed that there isn't much topic surrounding the Canadian military, and as a former army cadet who actually wanted to join the military, but for various reasons, couldn't, I just wanted to post a thread on discussing about the Canadian military in general. For example:

* How will any Canadian government address the need for a modernization of the CAF, given the health of our economy being questionable at best?

* What kind of modernization will Canada carry out in the future, assuming that doughboy loses power?

 

[bintananth]

* What kind of modernization will Canada carry out in the future, assuming that doughboy loses power?

If history is any indication the Canadian Military is a much meaner and nastier version of the US military because you get the US volunteers who want to fight while the US is still sitting on its ass and deciding "will we, or won't we".

As long as Canadian military equipment is similar to US military equipment Canada needn't worry because the sleepy big brother to the South has your back and will be very grumpy if someone picks a fight with Canada.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

If history is any indication the Canadian Military is a much meaner and nastier version of the US military because you get the US volunteers who want to fight while the US is still sitting on its ass and deciding "will we, or won't we".

As long as Canadian military equipment is similar to US military equipment Canada needn't worry because the sleepy big brother to the South has your back and will be very grumpy if someone picks a fight with Canada.

True, although there are some equipment that Canada uses that doesn’t come from the US, like the German Leopard tank.

 

[bintananth]

True, although there are some equipment that Canada uses that doesn’t come from the US, like the German Leopard tank.

Why Canada bought those is kinda a headscratcher. If Canadians have to use those:

- the US and Canada are at war
- someone attacked the US, Canada, or Mexico and we're all pissed
- "Seriously, you actually did that?" occured and nukes are flying

 

[Captain X]

I'd rather Canada be able to defend itself, provided they don't get taken over by commies. I've never really liked that they have relied so heavily on the US for defense, even if it means we got those early warning radar bases.

 

[bintananth]

I'd rather Canada be able to defend itself, provided they don't get taken over by commies. I've never really liked that they have relied so heavily on the US for defense, even if it means we got those early warning radar bases.

Canada has always been able to defend itself.

Invading Canada is more difficult than invading Russia.

 

[BlackDragon98]

Canada has always been able to defend itself.

Hah hah. Nope.

Yankees easily sailed across Lake Ontario and burned York (Toronto) to the ground back in 1813.

Invading Canada is more difficult than invading Russia.

Also not true.

With Canada, it's just the east and west coast, along with the area along the US border that houses most of the population.

If USA were to invade Canada, it would literally be over in two weeks.

Sure there would be a few guerillas in the woods, but they wouldn't be a big problem, nor would they last long with today's level of tech.

 

[Captain X]

Canada is heavily dependent on the US military industrial complex as well, for what it does have. The story of the Avro Arrow is one of the sadder ones.

 

[BlackDragon98]

Canada is heavily dependent on the US military industrial complex as well, for what it does have. The story of the Avro Arrow is one of the sadder ones.

Diefenbaker was a communist.

That's all there is to the story.

On another note, I foresee that Canada may be annexed into the USA in the next 100 years, if things keep going the way they're going.

 

[bintananth]

Hah hah. Nope.

Yankees easily sailed across Lake Ontario and burned York (Toronto) to the ground back in 1813.

The Canadians also burned Washington, DC to the ground.

Also not true.

With Canada, it's just the east and west coast, along with the area along the US border that houses most of the population.

If USA were to invade Canada, it would literally be over in two weeks.

Sure there would be a few guerillas in the woods, but they wouldn't be a big problem, nor would they last long with today's level of tech.

The US is the only country which could even contemplate invading Canada.

 

[BlackDragon98]

The Canadians also burned Washington, DC to the ground.

That was back when we were under Britannica's aegis.

Without the Royal Navy and British regulars, we couldn't have won the war.

The US is the only country which could even contemplate invading Canada.

The US doesn't even need to invade.

In the next 100 years, if the swamp continues growing, they might just annex Canada into the US.

Just like how Hitler annexed Austria into Germany back in 1938.

 

[Bassoe]

They have very little in terms of military equipment and what they do, Trudeau is donating to Ukraine. Never has there been a more opportune time for America to finally secure our rightful land bridge to Alaska.

 

[Floridaman]

Canada has always been able to defend itself.

Invading Canada is more difficult than invading Russia.

Not really, the difficulty in invading Canada comes from its southern neighbor 90% of the country lives within 100 miles of the US so unless you are crossing from the US in which case it becomes a cake walk, you have to go the long way around.

 

[bintananth]

Not really, the difficulty in invading Canada comes from its southern neighbor 90% of the country lives within 100 miles of the US so unless you are crossing from the US in which case it becomes a cake walk, you have to go the long way around.

Cake walk? Give me a moment and let me laugh for a bit.

The US-Canada border is over five thousand miles long.

Good luck with that.

 

[Floridaman]

Cake walk? Give me a moment and let me laugh for a bit.

The US-Canada border is over five thousand miles long.

Good luck with that.

And most of it is unpopulated there are a few key cities which would need to be taken. And that is ignoring the fact that the plains provinces have groups who already favor being annexed by the US

 

[bintananth]

And most of it is unpopulated there are a few key cities which would need to be taken. And that is ignoring the fact that the plains provinces have groups who already favor being annexed by the US

It would also take practically the entire goddamn fucking US Army just to station a platoon at every road crossing the US-Canada border.

 

[Floridaman]

Here is a population density map apart from the eastern sea board which would be where the US faces actual resistance you don't actually need a platoon at every crossing Canada's military would be engaged on the eastern part of the country, the US would have air dominance and real time Intel from satellites so any major incursion could be dealt with, what would be left civillian militias with rifles plugged to ten rounds? Vs. The american Midwest who tend to be extremely well armed.

Population Density, Canada, 2006

www12.statcan.gc.ca

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

The US could simply dust off one of its old War Plans, and modify it to just aim at Canada.

There's also the fact that the US could also swoop into the Yukon, NWT, and Nunavut from their position in Alaska.

With that aside though:

Why Canada bought those is kinda a headscratcher. If Canadians have to use those:

- the US and Canada are at war
- someone attacked the US, Canada, or Mexico and we're all pissed
- "Seriously, you actually did that?" occured and nukes are flying

The German Leopard tank was developed during the Cold War, and given that Canada and what was then West Germany were both NATO members, the US didn't really raise a fuss about it. Now on the other hand, if Canada were to field a Soviet built tank, that would be a totally different issue. Considering the level of Canada's economy, their military expenditure is on the same level as the Baltic States.

Perhaps the most ironic thing about the US military industry is that while they're basically the biggest cash cow, it's that their equipment is far too expensive to produce and maintain. If they would simply just streamline some of their military technologies and go for the whole "easy to produce, easy to maintain" mentality, along with simplification of various weapons, not only could they still earn profits from the sales of the streamlined and simplified US military weapons and equipment, but that they could lower the price of them, making the demand for the streamlined and simplified US military weapons go through the roof. Basic economics.

For example, the Stingray light tank that is used by Thailand, Canada could have told the US that they're interested in purchasing that tank, instead of going for the more expensive Leopard. Being a naive fool that I was back then, I asked a Canadian soldier why they don't just purchase T-72 battle tanks, before the soldier told me that they're mass produced junk.

And that's not getting to the issue of the Canadian Air Force and Navy as well, with the issue surrounding HMCS Chicoutimi and the attempt by Doughboy to replace the CF-18s. Once again, my emphasis on streamlining and simplifying military equipment could have been applied to the failed F-22 fighter plane and would have been earmarked for foreign markets, instead of the notoriously delayed F-35.

 

[bintananth]

The US could simply dust off one of its old War Plans, and modify it to just aim at Canada.

Cold War? Try even older.

The US and Canada actually do have pre-WWII plans for fighting each other that are available to the public.

Canada's: Defense Scheme #1
America's: War Plan Red

Both were kinda sorta "oh shit, we actually have to do this" contingency plans.

 

[ATP]

Cold War? Try even older.

The US and Canada actually do have pre-WWII plans for fighting each other that are available to the public.

Canada's: Defense Scheme #1
America's: War Plan Red

Both were kinda sorta "oh shit, we actually have to do this" contingency plans.

If i remember correctly,british decided that keeping Canada would be impossible,so choosed delaing action on land and fleet blocking american trade.