Combat Reform Respect Thread: Only Real Experts Allowed

[PsihoKekec]

China has yet to test their fancy new missiles against moving sea target, despite the said missiles being 100% percent operational and the testing being not particullary difficult. Taking their claims at face value is foolish as their sword is made for rattling and not drawing.

You seem to be way too accepting of various wild claims, so I propose a mental excercise for you, look up old claims on various opponent gear from WWII to the end of cold war and then compare them to actual historical data. Funny how those claims were always wildly off the target, especially when Pentagon wanted to pressure the Congress for more money.

 

[Zachowon]

China has yet to test their fancy new missiles against moving sea target, despite the said missiles being 100% percent operational and the testing being not particullary difficult. Taking their claims at face value is foolish as their sword is made for rattling and not drawing.

You seem to be way too accepting of various wild claims, so I propose a mental excercise for you, look up old claims on various opponent gear from WWII to the end of cold war and then compare them to actual historical data. Funny how those claims were always wildly off the target, especially when Pentagon wanted to pressure the Congress for more money.

We go on what we gather, and we always hope that they don't do shit, but expect them to be the most devastating, so we can take it serious and not brush it off.

Just look at all German heavy tanks from World War 2, and the military might of Soviet Russia right after the was, I know

 

[Doomsought]

Those hypersonic missiles will get at most one kill unless they use nuclear warheads. Because after the first one goes off, china will not have any more satelite communication by the end of the day.

 

[Zachowon]

Those hypersonic missiles will get at most one kill unless they use nuclear warheads. Because after the first one goes off, china will not have any more satelite communication by the end of the day.

What do you mean?

 

[PsihoKekec]

What do you mean?

DF-21 anti ship ballistic missiles rely on satelite recon for target aquisition and GPS for targeting asistance. Both can be disrupted with electronic countermeasures, while anti satelite weapons can remove these satelites permanently and wouldn't you know, USN has anti satelite capabilities.. Without satelite data the vaunted DF-21D are useless.

 

[Zachowon]

DF-21 anti ship ballistic missiles rely on satelite recon for target aquisition and GPS for targeting asistance. Both can be disrupted with electronic countermeasures, while anti satelite weapons can remove these satelites permanently and wouldn't you know, USN has anti satelite capabilities.. Without satelite data the vaunted DF-21D are useless.

Huh did not know that. I can understand why they are one shot and then useless now

 

[Aaron Fox]

Huh did not know that. I can understand why they are one shot and then useless now

Another thing is that with the US's laser weapon program, they're going to have a weapon that can reach orbit, which means satellites are just one capacitor away from being turned into scrap metal. Although, as long as the US's laser program is using IR wavelengths instead of something more practical like blue-green (because torpedoes have to die) or UVA, it would be comparatively limited.

 

[Sixgun McGurk]

China probably has a number of redundant sats. They are like the Japanese prior to WW2, making intricate plans and fundimentally misreading the situation.

 

[Aaron Fox]

China probably has a number of redundant sats. They are like the Japanese prior to WW2, making intricate plans and fundimentally misreading the situation.

The thing is that those redundant sats aren't stealthy. Like, at all. Also, China knows that it can't do anything if it doesn't want starvation to kick in thanks to a handful of spots in Asia that basically makes it impossible for the Chinese to effectively go out into battle to break them at this time.

 

[Abhorsen]

Another thing is that with the US's laser weapon program, they're going to have a weapon that can reach orbit, which means satellites are just one capacitor away from being turned into scrap metal. Although, as long as the US's laser program is using IR wavelengths instead of something more practical like blue-green (because torpedoes have to die) or UVA, it would be comparatively limited.

There is a problem with scrapping stuff in space. At some point there will be enough stuff in space that blowing up one satellite with basically explode the ones near it, and so on and so forth.

 

[Aaron Fox]

There is a problem with scrapping stuff in space. At some point there will be enough stuff in space that blowing up one satellite with basically explode the ones near it, and so on and so forth.

Actually, with lasers, you can 'clean up' before it can get to such a situation. Have a few lasers with an ample power supply (say a turbine with fuel to spare or a nuclear power plant) and simply start zapping at just enough power to vaporize the junk or, as one group figured out, send out the equivalent of material sponges into orbit and basically soak the junk that way, and once a few orbits (or its full), simply get that sponge into a decaying orbit and let it burn up in the atmosphere.

Last I've heard, starting a Kessler Cascade is far harder than it looks due to the realities of space being, well, space. Space is mind-boggling big, and as such it's far harder to kick a Kessler Cascade than one would realize, given how much junk is still up there right now.

For example, a video of the solar system that is to scale:

 

[Doomsought]

There is a problem with scrapping stuff in space. At some point there will be enough stuff in space that blowing up one satellite with basically explode the ones near it, and so on and so forth.

Not really, Space is big and most orbits are not stable.

 

[Sixgun McGurk]

Just keep in mind, as Adolph Schikelgruber found out, you got to fight with the gun in your hand right now. All this laser stuff sounds great if it actually exists and works and the Democrats haven't sold it to China for a big bag of cash loaded on Air Force Two, but until you win its all just as unproven as the Chinese stuff. I guarantee you that the next war will have guys rolling to war in M113s and using lots of other gear thats older than their granddaddies.

 

[Zachowon]

Just keep in mind, as Adolph Schikelgruber found out, you got to fight with the gun in your hand right now. All this laser stuff sounds great if it actually exists and works and the Democrats haven't sold it to China for a big bag of cash loaded on Air Force Two, but until you win its all just as unproven as the Chinese stuff. I guarantee you that the next war will have guys rolling to war in M113s and using lots of other gear thats older than their granddaddies.

It would be Bradley's and strykers and using M4s which sent older then thier granddaddies

 

[PsihoKekec]

M113s are still in combat brigades in various specialist roles, the replacement vehicle is still undergoing testing, with no production date.

 

[Zachowon]

M113s are still in combat brigades in various specialist roles

Specialist roles, usually for medical vehicles.
They arnt use and standard infantry transport anymore. Strykers and Bradley's are

 

[Typhonis]

Couldn't the US , in a war situation, scramble the GPS system to where only the US and it's Allies can use it?

 

[Zachowon]

I honestly have no clue

 

[PsihoKekec]

Specialist roles, usually for medical vehicles.
They arnt use and standard infantry transport anymore. Strykers and Bradley's are

That still means that if the war breaks out there will be guys (and lots of them) rolling out in M113. Unless you decide not to count people like engineers to be frontline troops.

Couldn't the US , in a war situation, scramble the GPS system to where only the US and it's Allies can use it?

China has it's own GPS system (Baio) and so does Russia (Glonass), you either need active jamming to disrupt it locally or destroy the satelites.

 

[Zachowon]

That still means that if the war breaks out there will be guys (and lots of them) rolling out in M113. Unless you decide not to count people like engineers to be frontline troops.


China has it's own GPS system (Baio) and so does Russia (Glonass), you either need active jamming to disrupt it locally or destroy the satelites.

Combat engineers don't use M113s, and are the only frontline engineers if even.