Thors_Alumni
Well-known member
Element of surprise and scouting forces already in position in system.
Quest Deep Periphery Quest (Battletech Sandbox Empire Builder)
- Thread starter LordSunhawk
- Start date
There may be some tactical surprise...but I don't think it's enough by itself especially with the deficiencies I've already established we'll be facing. Additionally, we've given them days/weeks to prepare a greeting for us. The BS has already shown that they are able to be tactically proficient and able to setup layered offenses & ambushes. Our data on the system you want us to jump into is months old at the least.
The big problem I see with 'jump in' method is that, b/c of our fleet's status/condition, the margin of error for them has functionally gone to almost zero. They have to be PERFECT to pull off the attack. I also have no doubt the BS has placed reserves in a position to block whatever escape route our fleet would use once they get in system. Like I said, that's a recipe for disaster.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
X] Make the adjustments, no plan survives contact with the enemy and we need to be flexible in response
hellspawn023
Active member
X] Make the adjustments, no plan survives contact with the enemy and we need to be flexible in response
Yacovo
Occasionally spouting nonsense
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Jarow
Well-known member
[X] Plan: Fine... I'll Upgrade the factories
-[X] Procurement [$ 2,070,975,851.89 ]
--[X] Lay Down Major Unit [Construction - $265,275,577.00 ] (95)
---[X] 100 Bainbridge [95]
---[X] 20 Ensign [95]
---[X] 36 Aetna [95]
---[X] 18 Meteor [95]
---[X] 2 Canopus [95]
--[X] Lay down Jumpship [Jumpship Construction - $12,582,036.59 ] (75)
---[X] 14 Windjammer*
---[X] 13 Windjammer [75]
--[X] Lay down Warship [Warship Construction - $757,983,327.00 ] (80)
---[X] 11 Dido*
---[X] 3 Canarias*
---[X] 3 Scharnhorst*
---[X] 5 Supply [80]
---[X] 5 Wolverine [80]
---[X] 10 Fubuki [80]
---[X] 10 England [80]
---[X] 20 Lyr [80]
---[X] 20 Dido [80]
---[X] 7 Vestal [80]
---[X] 10 Prinz Eugen [80]
---[X] 6 Scharnhorst [80]
--[X] Purchase New Units [Minor Unit - $ 20,217,345.60 ] (90)
---[X] 30 Fighter Wing [auto]
---[X] 30 Heavy Carrier Wing [90]
---[X] 20 Interceptor Wing [90]
---[X] 30 Garrison Regiments* [auto]
--[X] Increase Militia Rating of System [$ 14,917,565.70 ] (85)
---[X] 30 Militia Regiments [85]
--[X] SLEP [$ 1,000,000,000 ] (100)
---[X] SLEP all Mech Units* [->7]
---[X] SLEP all Conventional Units* [->7]
-[X] General [$ 98,370,451,208.00 ]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Kaiyo Zenith* [->1]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station New Phoenix Nadir* [90]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Awha Zenith* [90]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Bauernparades Zenith* [90]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Olej Zenith [->3]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Pinball Zenith [->3]
(Recharge network connections for recent systems)
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Kainga Nadir [->3]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Bari Nadir [->3]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Nya Kopenhamn Nadir [->3]
(Better defenses for core worlds and border worlds)
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Bohren Zenith* [->2]
--[X] Colonize Grand View [80]
--[X] System Government - Grand View [75]
--[X] Legal System - Grand View [75]
--[X] Colonize Iskra [80]
--[X] System Government - Iskra [75]
--[X] Legal System - Iskra [75]
(New colonies!)
--[X] Awha Reconstruction & Relief Efforts* [->2]
--[X] Build Jump Point Defenses in Grand View [90]
--[X] Build Jump Point Defenses in Iskra [90]
(Basic defenses around our new worlds)
--[X] Build Jump Point Defenses in Griffon's Eye [90]
(Rebuild basic defenses there, even if we should probably try to route traffic around it instead of through)
--[X] (ECP) Construct Silver Tower 2 New Eden [90]
--[X] (ECP) Construct Silver Tower 2 Okusawa [90]
(Better defenses for important worlds near known Black Steel locations)
--[X] Focus Development on Core World Edelsteine [70]
--[X] Focus Development on Peripheral World Skala [70]
--[X] Economic Investment Nowa Warzsawa [90]
--[X] Major Economic Investment [80]
(More monies is important, even if we aren't always stressed)
--[X] (Sports) Fund sports camps to improve performance in low performing Olympic sports [80]
(Don't want to do as badly as last time during the next olympics)
--[X] Expand Colonial Office (per level) [75]
(Don't want issues in having enough colonies)
--[X] Expand Civil Service [80]
(More general slots are always important)
--[X] Upgrade All DHS Factories [90]
--[X] Upgrade All Endosteel Forges [90]
--[X] Upgrade All Ferro Aluminium Forges [90]
--[X] Upgrade All Ferro Fibrous Forges [90]
--[X] Upgrade All Lamellar Ferro Carbide Forges [90]
(Fine... lots of slots though)
--[X] Build ASF Factory Complex (95)
---[X] Okusawa [95]
---[X] Chuma [95]
---[X] New Castor [95]
---[X] New Phoenix [95]
---[X] New Pollux [95]
---[X] New Capricorn [95]
---[X] Nowy Wroclaw [95]
---[X] Edelsteine [95]
---[X] Nowa Warzsawa [95]
---[X] Calliope [95]
(No idea if we actually need more, but better to have ones we don't need than need ones we don't have)
--[X] Expand Orbital Shipyards [105]
--[X] Upgrade Refit & Repair Yard [105]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard Kainga [80]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard Okusawa [80]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard Nya Kopenhamn [80]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard Edelsteine* [80]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard New Capricorn [80]
--[X] Build Medium Warship Yard New Pollux [80]
--[X] Build Medium Warship Yard Nowa Warzsawa [80]
--[X] Build Medium Warship Yard Calliope* [auto]
--[X] Build Medium Warship Yard Griffon [85]
--[X] Build Medium Warship Yard New Port Royal [85]
(Warships are very nice to have)
-[X] DoME [$ 30,500,000,000.00 ]
--[X] Initial Catachan Terraforming* [->2]
--[X] Colonize Olej* [->3]
--[X] Terraform Calliope II - Stage III* [->8]
--[X] Construct Major Fleet Base - New Phoenix* [70]
--[X] Colonize Pinball* [->2]
--[X] Orbital Radiation Shield - Pieklo* [->2]
--[X] Terraform Awha - Stage 0* [90]
--[X] Terraform Bari - Stage 0* [70]
--[X] Terraform Pieklo - Stage 0* [60]
--[X] Terraform Skala - Stage 0* [75]
--[X] Terraform Chuma - Stage II* [->3]
--[X] Planetary Optimization (Peripheral) - Kainga* [75]
-[X] Research [$ 87,030,000,000.00 ]
--[X] Genetic Engineering Lvl 3* [->1]
--[X] Improved Agriculture Lvl 5 [100]
(People are always valuable to have, and this helps our planets hold them)
--[X] Improved Germanium Refining Lvl 3 [->9]
(Don't want to run out of vital warship materials)
--[X] Castle Brian [->1]
(No idea how viable it'd be to build these, given slot limits, but potentially valuable to have)
--[X] Assault Battle Armor - Basic [95]
(Better infantry is always nice)
--[X] Grifftiger Scale Battlearmor [->1]
(Might as well make the grifftigers happier)
--[X] Improved Ferro-Aluminium [->4]
(Not that useful or needed, but cheap and might be required for actually better stuff)
--[X] Advanced Long Range Missiles* [45]
--[X] Advanced Ferro-Aluminum Armor* [70]
--[X] Advanced Ground Combat Doctrine [->9]
(Makes winning on the ground easier, which we might need for Bourbons or their enemies)
-[X] Miscellaneous [$ 101,000,000.00 ]
--[X] People Purchase [100,000,000]
--[X] Highly Approved Layoffs [1,000,000.00]
52b leftover, but gets most things I want (and those I can't are primarily limited by having enough slots)
[X] Make the adjustments, no plan survives contact with the enemy and we need to be flexible in response
Minor preference here, arguments for changing have been slightly more convincing to me.
-[X] Procurement [$ 2,070,975,851.89 ]
--[X] Lay Down Major Unit [Construction - $265,275,577.00 ] (95)
---[X] 100 Bainbridge [95]
---[X] 20 Ensign [95]
---[X] 36 Aetna [95]
---[X] 18 Meteor [95]
---[X] 2 Canopus [95]
--[X] Lay down Jumpship [Jumpship Construction - $12,582,036.59 ] (75)
---[X] 14 Windjammer*
---[X] 13 Windjammer [75]
--[X] Lay down Warship [Warship Construction - $757,983,327.00 ] (80)
---[X] 11 Dido*
---[X] 3 Canarias*
---[X] 3 Scharnhorst*
---[X] 5 Supply [80]
---[X] 5 Wolverine [80]
---[X] 10 Fubuki [80]
---[X] 10 England [80]
---[X] 20 Lyr [80]
---[X] 20 Dido [80]
---[X] 7 Vestal [80]
---[X] 10 Prinz Eugen [80]
---[X] 6 Scharnhorst [80]
--[X] Purchase New Units [Minor Unit - $ 20,217,345.60 ] (90)
---[X] 30 Fighter Wing [auto]
---[X] 30 Heavy Carrier Wing [90]
---[X] 20 Interceptor Wing [90]
---[X] 30 Garrison Regiments* [auto]
--[X] Increase Militia Rating of System [$ 14,917,565.70 ] (85)
---[X] 30 Militia Regiments [85]
--[X] SLEP [$ 1,000,000,000 ] (100)
---[X] SLEP all Mech Units* [->7]
---[X] SLEP all Conventional Units* [->7]
-[X] General [$ 98,370,451,208.00 ]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Kaiyo Zenith* [->1]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station New Phoenix Nadir* [90]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Awha Zenith* [90]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Bauernparades Zenith* [90]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Olej Zenith [->3]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Pinball Zenith [->3]
(Recharge network connections for recent systems)
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Kainga Nadir [->3]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Bari Nadir [->3]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Nya Kopenhamn Nadir [->3]
(Better defenses for core worlds and border worlds)
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Bohren Zenith* [->2]
--[X] Colonize Grand View [80]
--[X] System Government - Grand View [75]
--[X] Legal System - Grand View [75]
--[X] Colonize Iskra [80]
--[X] System Government - Iskra [75]
--[X] Legal System - Iskra [75]
(New colonies!)
--[X] Awha Reconstruction & Relief Efforts* [->2]
--[X] Build Jump Point Defenses in Grand View [90]
--[X] Build Jump Point Defenses in Iskra [90]
(Basic defenses around our new worlds)
--[X] Build Jump Point Defenses in Griffon's Eye [90]
(Rebuild basic defenses there, even if we should probably try to route traffic around it instead of through)
--[X] (ECP) Construct Silver Tower 2 New Eden [90]
--[X] (ECP) Construct Silver Tower 2 Okusawa [90]
(Better defenses for important worlds near known Black Steel locations)
--[X] Focus Development on Core World Edelsteine [70]
--[X] Focus Development on Peripheral World Skala [70]
--[X] Economic Investment Nowa Warzsawa [90]
--[X] Major Economic Investment [80]
(More monies is important, even if we aren't always stressed)
--[X] (Sports) Fund sports camps to improve performance in low performing Olympic sports [80]
(Don't want to do as badly as last time during the next olympics)
--[X] Expand Colonial Office (per level) [75]
(Don't want issues in having enough colonies)
--[X] Expand Civil Service [80]
(More general slots are always important)
--[X] Upgrade All DHS Factories [90]
--[X] Upgrade All Endosteel Forges [90]
--[X] Upgrade All Ferro Aluminium Forges [90]
--[X] Upgrade All Ferro Fibrous Forges [90]
--[X] Upgrade All Lamellar Ferro Carbide Forges [90]
(Fine... lots of slots though)
--[X] Build ASF Factory Complex (95)
---[X] Okusawa [95]
---[X] Chuma [95]
---[X] New Castor [95]
---[X] New Phoenix [95]
---[X] New Pollux [95]
---[X] New Capricorn [95]
---[X] Nowy Wroclaw [95]
---[X] Edelsteine [95]
---[X] Nowa Warzsawa [95]
---[X] Calliope [95]
(No idea if we actually need more, but better to have ones we don't need than need ones we don't have)
--[X] Expand Orbital Shipyards [105]
--[X] Upgrade Refit & Repair Yard [105]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard Kainga [80]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard Okusawa [80]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard Nya Kopenhamn [80]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard Edelsteine* [80]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard New Capricorn [80]
--[X] Build Medium Warship Yard New Pollux [80]
--[X] Build Medium Warship Yard Nowa Warzsawa [80]
--[X] Build Medium Warship Yard Calliope* [auto]
--[X] Build Medium Warship Yard Griffon [85]
--[X] Build Medium Warship Yard New Port Royal [85]
(Warships are very nice to have)
-[X] DoME [$ 30,500,000,000.00 ]
--[X] Initial Catachan Terraforming* [->2]
--[X] Colonize Olej* [->3]
--[X] Terraform Calliope II - Stage III* [->8]
--[X] Construct Major Fleet Base - New Phoenix* [70]
--[X] Colonize Pinball* [->2]
--[X] Orbital Radiation Shield - Pieklo* [->2]
--[X] Terraform Awha - Stage 0* [90]
--[X] Terraform Bari - Stage 0* [70]
--[X] Terraform Pieklo - Stage 0* [60]
--[X] Terraform Skala - Stage 0* [75]
--[X] Terraform Chuma - Stage II* [->3]
--[X] Planetary Optimization (Peripheral) - Kainga* [75]
-[X] Research [$ 87,030,000,000.00 ]
--[X] Genetic Engineering Lvl 3* [->1]
--[X] Improved Agriculture Lvl 5 [100]
(People are always valuable to have, and this helps our planets hold them)
--[X] Improved Germanium Refining Lvl 3 [->9]
(Don't want to run out of vital warship materials)
--[X] Castle Brian [->1]
(No idea how viable it'd be to build these, given slot limits, but potentially valuable to have)
--[X] Assault Battle Armor - Basic [95]
(Better infantry is always nice)
--[X] Grifftiger Scale Battlearmor [->1]
(Might as well make the grifftigers happier)
--[X] Improved Ferro-Aluminium [->4]
(Not that useful or needed, but cheap and might be required for actually better stuff)
--[X] Advanced Long Range Missiles* [45]
--[X] Advanced Ferro-Aluminum Armor* [70]
--[X] Advanced Ground Combat Doctrine [->9]
(Makes winning on the ground easier, which we might need for Bourbons or their enemies)
-[X] Miscellaneous [$ 101,000,000.00 ]
--[X] People Purchase [100,000,000]
--[X] Highly Approved Layoffs [1,000,000.00]
52b leftover, but gets most things I want (and those I can't are primarily limited by having enough slots)
[X] Make the adjustments, no plan survives contact with the enemy and we need to be flexible in response
Minor preference here, arguments for changing have been slightly more convincing to me.
Thors_Alumni
Well-known member
[X] Make the adjustments, no plan survives contact with the enemy and we need to be flexible in response
[X] Plan: Fine... I'll Upgrade the factories
[X] Plan: Fine... I'll Upgrade the factories
The thing about adjusting the fleet is that our choice here is between aggressively pressing the assault with a fleet that is heavily depleted and in relative disarray against a foe that has bigger and more powerful ships than we do and is very likely able to absorb such a hasty attack by its superior innate durability, or pull back and regroup so that our attack fleet is well-rested, properly formed, and reloaded for battle.
"Keeping up the momentum" is a strategy rooted in the shock effect of rapid and relentless striking against human frailty and psychology, a weakness which Black Steel's heavily cyberized nature means they at minimum substantially mitigate, and more likely do not have at all.
"Keeping up the momentum" is a strategy rooted in the shock effect of rapid and relentless striking against human frailty and psychology, a weakness which Black Steel's heavily cyberized nature means they at minimum substantially mitigate, and more likely do not have at all.
[X] Plan: Fine... I'll Upgrade the factories
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
[X] Plan: Fine... I'll Upgrade the factories
darkcloudt2
Well-known member
[X] Plan: Fine... I'll Upgrade the factories
Winter_Wind45
Well-known member
[X] Plan: Fine... I'll Upgrade the factories
