The Americas 🇧🇷 Federative Republic of Brazil Discussion Megathread

[Sergeant Foley]

Yes that bad. South America is full of other commie governments, who are having a lot of issues. It would take literally no time at all for Lula's Brazil to come out and just support Argentina and Venezuela with subsides and hold them onto power while they destroy the country in the name of Socialism, sliding the entire continent into the black hole of communism.

Lula is really just a face being used to draw suckers in by playing voters into "nostalgia" for "better times" by pretending the good economic state of 2002-2010 Brazil was his doing and that he will magically do it again. Lula's campaign speeches are literally the exact same ones from when he ran in 2002, to the point where some stuff he keeps talking about is downright absurd (He loves to talk about hunger in Brazil, which is not a issue anymore like it was when he first ran and ironically one of the few things he could be said to have done well in ending, but he speaks as if he never got power and it is still the exact same)

The problem is that the Brazilian Uniparty (Centrão) is extremely technocratic minded, and very much still monarchical in their thinking. They openly act like they are nobility, they obviously carry themselves like nobility, and the government is absolutely determined that they should be a centralized state and get it's grubby little hands on everything. They are convinced the solution is more government control, and plenty of people in Brazil are actually delusional enough to think it could work if they "just have the right people". They don't understand the point of privatizations, or the idea that the bureaucracy is expanding to meet the demands of the expanding bureaucracy. Shit is like a bucket of crabs.

I am really, unironically planning to leave the country if Lula wins. Even Civil War USA would be better, because at least I would be allowed to forge my own life.

Yet Argentina has a 2-term limit on the Presidency.

Mexico has that 1-term rule since the revolution that ousted Diaz in 1910.

 

[Cherico]

We literally spent 60 plus years trying to keep this shit out of south America and then the region saw venuseula get wreaked by socialism dispite being one of the richest countries on the continent.

And dispite all of this the region can't learn that socialism is bad?

 

[Sobek]

We in SA are predisposed to dictatorships thanks to Spanish and Portuguese style of colonization. And socialists have the best PR to put those up nowadays, especially with the alliance they got going with the Technocrats of the WEF.

 

[gral]

And dispite all of this the region can't learn that socialism is bad?

They won't learn until things get to the same state as they are in Venezuela.

 

[Sergeant Foley]

They won't learn until things get to the same state as they are in Venezuela.

How long before Mexico trends in the same ugly direction?

 

[gral]

How long before Mexico trends in the same ugly direction?

I don't think Mexico is going that way right now; AFAIK, Obrador won't elect his successor(one reason why they are so desperate to elect Lula; the Latin American socialists need either Brazil or Mexico to fund the rest of them).

 

[49ersfootball]

We literally spent 60 plus years trying to keep this shit out of south America and then the region saw venuseula get wreaked by socialism dispite being one of the richest countries on the continent.

And dispite all of this the region can't learn that socialism is bad?

Let's not forget about Central America going full socialist too.

 

[49ersfootball]

I don't think Mexico is going that way right now; AFAIK, Obrador won't elect his successor(one reason why they are so desperate to elect Lula; the Latin American socialists need either Brazil or Mexico to fund the rest of them).

Brazil or Mexico is the new Sugar Daddy LOL.

 

[gral]

Brazil or Mexico is the new Sugar Daddy LOL.

Brazil certainly was that in the 2003-2015 timeframe. Chávez also tried to have Venezuela take his role(digging up that fucking cocalero from whichever Bolivian pile of manure he was found in, for example), but the oil price collapse killed that plan. Maduro may try to pull the same shit in the near future.

 

[Sobek]

Slight update:

Bolsonaro refused to be blamed for it, disavowed the shooting and said "Thugs like this should look for another party, maybe on the left"

Many PT politicians of the more radical side now wanna blame him directly for the shooting, and open a suit against him.

Video of the entire thing has been released, and it adds some extra context. Suspect first approached the party and insulted the owner of the decorations and party, owner than insulted him back and left his home going as far as to throw rocks on the general direction of the suspect and his car. Suspect left, and later came back armed. Owner of party had armed himself in the meanwhile. Shooting occurs.

Seems to be a lot of people are suspicious of the stated "politics as sole reason" narrative some outlets decided to go with, and in fact many outlets have shown a commendable level of restraint around the story sticking to what we know and can be proven. Popular consensus is that while the primary factor, politics was not alone and they must have had prior beef, especially since both shooter and wife of the guy who was shot were both police and the sus aspect of deciding to stop by the house of someone you didn't even know.

 

[Sergeant Foley]

Slight update:

Bolsonaro refused to be blamed for it, disavowed the shooting and said "Thugs like this should look for another party, maybe on the left"

Many PT politicians of the more radical side now wanna blame him directly for the shooting, and open a suit against him.

Video of the entire thing has been released, and it adds some extra context. Suspect first approached the party and insulted the owner of the decorations and party, owner than insulted him back and left his home going as far as to throw rocks on the general direction of the suspect and his car. Suspect left, and later came back armed. Owner of party had armed himself in the meanwhile. Shooting occurs.

Seems to be a lot of people are suspicious of the stated "politics as sole reason" narrative some outlets decided to go with, and in fact many outlets have shown a commendable level of restraint around the story sticking to what we know and can be proven. Popular consensus is that while the primary factor, politics was not alone and they must have had prior beef, especially since both shooter and wife of the guy who was shot were both police and the sus aspect of deciding to stop by the house of someone you didn't even know.

Wasn't there a City Councilmember who was mysteriously shot to death due to her staunch criticism of Bolsonaro a few years back?

 

[gral]

Wasn't there a City Councilmember who was mysteriously shot to death due to her staunch criticism of Bolsonaro a few years back?

That is what the leftists say.

The truth is that alderman(or alderwoman, whatever) was a nobody(had 49,000 votes in a 6,000,000-people city; the first time I had heard of her was when I heard the news of her death, in spite of her being part of the City Council of the city I live in) who probably got shot due to liaisons with organized crime(which faction is what is being hidden), and the leftists came up with her murder being a hit ordered by Bolsonaro, under the logic chain 'Bolsonaro has links to militia gangs' -> 'The way she died looks like a militia-ordered hit' -> 'He must have ordered it'.

 

[49ersfootball]

Brazil certainly was that in the 2003-2015 timeframe. Chávez also tried to have Venezuela take his role(digging up that fucking cocalero from whichever Bolivian pile of manure he was found in, for example), but the oil price collapse killed that plan. Maduro may try to pull the same shit in the near future.

Explains why Lula is campaigning for that historic 3rd term.

 

[gral]

Explains why Lula is campaigning for that historic 3rd term.

Explains why the left is supporting him; he's running because he wants to: 1) Shove into the faces of the ones who oppose him he won in spite of everything they did; 2) Settle the scores(main reason, IMO - does anyone believe he will not persecute those who put him into prison?); 3) In parallel to 2), ensure the opposition will never again be in position to remove the left from power.

 

[49ersfootball]

Explains why the left is supporting him; he's running because he wants to: 1) Shove into the faces of the ones who oppose him he won in spite of everything they did; 2) Settle the scores(main reason, IMO - does anyone believe he will not persecute those who put him into prison?); 3) In parallel to 2), ensure the opposition will never again be in position to remove the left from power.

Which is why I think Bolsonaro wins reelection this fall.

 

[gral]

Which is why I think Bolsonaro wins reelection this fall.

It's going to be a close thing, whoever wins. I do think, though, that Bolsonaro wins.

 

[49ersfootball]

It's going to be a close thing, whoever wins. I do think, though, that Bolsonaro wins.

You don't see Bolsonaro winning by double digits like he did in 2018 ?

 

[gral]

You don't see Bolsonaro winning by double digits like he did in 2018 ?

No. He fucked up in a lot of ways and the campaign against him has been unceasing since 2019 - he will lose many votes. The question is how many.

 

[49ersfootball]

No. He fucked up in a lot of ways and the campaign against him has been unceasing since 2019 - he will lose many votes. The question is how many.

Margin of victory for Bolsonaro this fall ?
A.) 1 percentage point
B.) 2 percentage points
C.) 6 percentage points
D.) 7 percentage points

 

[49ersfootball]

January 15th, 1985: Tancredo Neves (PMDB) easily defeats Paulo Maluf (PDS) in a massive landslide victory with 72% of the nationwide vote & garnering 480 Electoral Votes in the 1985 Brazilian Presidential election:

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