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Cherico

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Morphic Tide

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this is still wrong, that was not built by illiterates, it was built by masons; some of the most well learned people of the day.
Granted, they'd probably still be recorded as "illiterate" because the statistics behind that surround Latin, and architecture is one of the chief candidates for translation into vernacular to end up with the bulk of "highly educated" masons not actually be able to read the original source texts. Especially given the gradual advancements that don't appear in them.

Isn't one of the biggest clusterfucks in history being working out where, exactly, literacy rates actually were before modern records? From what I know, I think literacy was haphazardly localized, in the sense that the general populace being able to read was an intermittent thing driven by the occasional really dedicated priest or whatever, rather than an actual constant.

Edit: Don't forget the origins of Lorem Ipsum, as well. The spectrum of romance languages throughout Europe cannot be understated, with the way guilds worked I would not be surprised in the slightest if many a mason were actually learning a local flavor of vulgar Latin close enough to be mistaken by most members, or deliberately used to obfuscate guild secrets.
 

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Granted, they'd probably still be recorded as "illiterate" because the statistics behind that surround Latin, and architecture is one of the chief candidates for translation into vernacular to end up with the bulk of "highly educated" masons not actually be able to read the original source texts. Especially given the gradual advancements that don't appear in them.

Isn't one of the biggest clusterfucks in history being working out where, exactly, literacy rates actually were before modern records? From what I know, I think literacy was haphazardly localized, in the sense that the general populace being able to read was an intermittent thing driven by the occasional really dedicated priest or whatever, rather than an actual constant.

Edit: Don't forget the origins of Lorem Ipsum, as well. The spectrum of romance languages throughout Europe cannot be understated, with the way guilds worked I would not be surprised in the slightest if many a mason were actually learning a local flavor of vulgar Latin close enough to be mistaken by most members, or deliberately used to obfuscate guild secrets.

Their learning was also mostly mathematics, stone working, and yes architecture. How to build the sturdiest house from the least amount of materials was 100% what they wanted and if they had modern materials you bet they'd build things more similar to modern architecture.
 

Morphic Tide

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How to build the sturdiest house from the least amount of materials was 100% what they wanted and if they had modern materials you bet they'd build things more similar to modern architecture.
Hell, they did build things extremely similar to modern architecture! No, really, modern single-family housing is structurally almost unchanged from some truly ancient wooden support schemes, but instead of sticks, straw, and copious amounts of dirt and oxshit, we fill the gaps between wood beams with gypsum compounds and metal sheets.

Main difference being that instead of astonishingly complicated carpentry joints, we use steel frames, screws, and nails to hold the beams together. Way simpler, and thus faster, with other advancements making the actually quite precise metal very cheap.
 

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