United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

[gral]

Honestly, I think they should have tried to indict the officer and judge for the warrant.

IMO, the problem here is more with the judge; he had the power to deny the request. Even if doing what the police did is so ubiquitous as to be police SOP, it's still up to the judge to deny or accept it.

 

[Zachowon]

The somewhat bizarre legal conclusion was that the police failed to announce themselves, therefore the homeowner was shooting at them in lawful self-defense, yet the police were also shooting back in lawful conduct of their duties because they had a valid warrant.

In my opinion, they really should not have been able to get a no-knock warrant on the extremely tenuous evidence they had, and so the rightful blame is divided between the judge who issued the no-knock warrant on shaky evidence and the police who sought the no-knock warrant on shaky evidence. However, I accept that with the laws as written, that blame does not translate to legal culpability.



I think it's entirely reasonable for the public to be upset that an innocent woman was gunned down in her own home, and all the justice system pretty much said, "Too bad."

It's a legally correct decision, but I don't think it's outrageous to be pissed about it, nor do I think it's entirely knee-jerk to blame the police, because the undisputed bottom line is that they're the ones who made the bad decisions which set this entire tragedy in motion.

Actually, Taylor should not have been involved with a bunch of drug dealers, her BF and the ex con that she used to be with and doing drug stuff for should not have used her address, her name was on the warrant, and her BF used her as a human shield after firing on the cops, and hitting one in the femoral artery, the cop that shot without care, after being shot.
This is literally not the cops fault...

Honestly, I think they should have tried to indict the officer and judge for the warrant.

It was a warrant they could do a No-knock on but they decided to knock. In fact if they had no-knocked they might have actually gotten this done without any shots fired

 

[Doomsought]

It was a warrant they could do a No-knock on but they decided to knock. In fact if they had no-knocked they might have actually gotten this done without any shots fired

That doesn't matter, the officer did not have enough evidence to get a warrant and the judge rubber stamped it anyway. That is the actual problem.

 

[Arch Dornan]

They got someone official.

 

[Zachowon]

That doesn't matter, the officer did not have enough evidence to get a warrant and the judge rubber stamped it anyway. That is the actual problem.

They had recorded phone calls about drug dealer being there....


He has a whole video showing everything the officers did was correct, and they had reason to be there

 

[Von_Lohengram]

Will wonders never cease:
Some Protests Against Police Brutality Take a More Confrontational Approach
Article itself isn't very interesting and still tiptoes, understates, etc especially the headline itself. But by NYT standards, it's like the Guardian suddenly supporting Brexit.
Then take a look at the comments section.

 

[Doomsought]

They had recorded phone calls about drug dealer being there....

You aren't reading what I write. The problem is that there should not be a warrant in the first place, the police should never had even shown up at the door. They did not have enough evidence to get a warrant.

There are two people who should be charged here, and neither of them were even in the building when the shootout occurred. One is the judge that signed the warrant, the other is the officer that asked for it.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Wow....messing with a church....not smart move at all.

iirc its a unitarian church, so basically a religion LARP.

 

[Floridaman]

Will wonders never cease:
Some Protests Against Police Brutality Take a More Confrontational Approach
Article itself isn't very interesting and still tiptoes, understates, etc especially the headline itself. But by NYT standards, it's like the Guardian suddenly supporting Brexit.
Then take a look at the comments section.

The polling must look really bad for them to start backing away.

 

[Deleted member 88]

“Out of your houses and into the streets”

“If a protest stops your car, get out and join them, nothing you could be doing is as important”.

“More confrontational approach”

I read the article, and I found it doubly amusing the NYT only interviewed a guy that was supportive of Antifa/BLM(or said he was anyway).

Despite these slogans and tactics basically being coercion, intended to guilt trip and yes physically intimidate bystanders into joining their marches.

We can only assume the NYT is sympathetic to this sort of illiberal form of persuasion.

 

[Rocinante]

“Out of your houses and into the streets”

“If a protest stops your car, get out and join them, nothing you could be doing is as important”.

“More confrontational approach”

I read the article, and I found it doubly amusing the NYT only interviewed a guy that was supportive of Antifa/BLM(or said he was anyway).

Despite these slogans and tactics basically being coercion, intended to guilt trip and yes physically intimidate bystanders into joining their marches.

We can only assume the NYT is sympathetic to this sort of illiberal form of persuasion.

That second one really annoys me. I have lots of things more important to do than march in a protests, and it's not up to anyone else to decide what's important to me. Making sure one of the most expensive things I own, my car, is safe, is one of them. You think I'm just gonna abandon it in the middle of the street and start marching? Fuck off.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Fighting White Supremacy, Capitalism, and Donald Trump is more important than your personal life, and to say otherwise is basically the same as being a KKK member.

This is what they actually believe.

And they’ve said as much.

I recall in that same slogan/tweet they also said “if you need help, the good protesters will help you”.(paraphrased).

Of course if your wife is about to give birth or your child is violently ill-their much touted compassion might prove to have some limits.

Ultimately these people are well aware they can only impose the charges they want through psychological manipulation and some measure of violence. Implied or otherwise.

And they don’t care. Because they reject liberal open mindedness in favor of a revolutionary dogma.

 

[Floridaman]

“Out of your houses and into the streets”

“If a protest stops your car, get out and join them, nothing you could be doing is as important”.

“More confrontational approach”

I read the article, and I found it doubly amusing the NYT only interviewed a guy that was supportive of Antifa/BLM(or said he was anyway).

Despite these slogans and tactics basically being coercion, intended to guilt trip and yes physically intimidate bystanders into joining their marches.

We can only assume the NYT is sympathetic to this sort of illiberal form of persuasion.

Was that ever in doubt, they defended the holodomor, so of course this is nothing to them.

 

[Zachowon]

You aren't reading what I write. The problem is that there should not be a warrant in the first place, the police should never had even shown up at the door. They did not have enough evidence to get a warrant.

There are two people who should be charged here, and neither of them were even in the building when the shootout occurred. One is the judge that signed the warrant, the other is the officer that asked for it.

Besides the fact they have damn near solid proof she was involved in a drug ring...They had the phone records from the jail the guy she sold dope with was at! They talked about it ON THE PHONE

 

[Zachowon]

“Out of your houses and into the streets”

“If a protest stops your car, get out and join them, nothing you could be doing is as important”.

“More confrontational approach”

I read the article, and I found it doubly amusing the NYT only interviewed a guy that was supportive of Antifa/BLM(or said he was anyway).

Despite these slogans and tactics basically being coercion, intended to guilt trip and yes physically intimidate bystanders into joining their marches.

We can only assume the NYT is sympathetic to this sort of illiberal form of persuasion.

Double post but

if I was on my way to work, and I was made late by a protest, or was stopped. I would be in uniform, if I stop and in I can get chaptered out of the Army for that kinda shit!

 

[Arch Dornan]

This is worse than getting given coward flowers in WW1.



Not exactly the truck of peace.

 

[Duke Nukem]

I feel nothing but pure hatred for these leftists, i hope Trump wins.

 

[Doomsought]

Besides the fact they have damn near solid proof she was involved in a drug ring...They had the phone records from the jail the guy she sold dope with was at! They talked about it ON THE PHONE

Not when they were asking for the warrant, none of that was mentioned to the judge. Just guilt by association.

 

[Bacle]

Not when they were asking for the warrant, none of that was mentioned to the judge. Just guilt by association.

They were doing a sweep of drug dealers, not just the Taylor house, and drug networks are often decentralized.

The judge and co had every reason to believe Taylor's BF was involved, they did knock, and only fired back after being fired upon.

And we only have the BFs word that he never heard the cops knocking, which they did several times. So I think he's probably full of shit.

 

[Rocinante]

They were doing a sweep of drug dealers, not just the Taylor house, and drug networks are often decentralized.

The judge and co had every reason to believe Taylor's BF was involved, they did knock, and only fired back after being fired upon.

And we only have the BFs word that he never heard the cops knocking, which they did several times. So I think he's probably full of shit.

I heard they knocked long and loud enough for neighbors to come out, so I'm not sure I buy the excuse that they didn't hear the cops.