German Fears

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In the world of security and defense, Germany presents an enigma. How can a country that has been re-unified and fully sovereign for almost 30 years, a country possessing a fully globalized economy (the fourth-largest in the world), a country with a few heavy history lessons under its belt, be so completely absent strategically? Why is it that especially in military affairs, Germany seems to be unable to play the role expected of it, given its size, strength, and geographic location?

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In order to understand Germany’s affliction, one needs to dig deeper. Of course, the real reason does have to do with Germany’s history. Germany’s trauma as the perpetrator of the Holocaust and Word War II runs deep and is nowhere near subsiding 75 years after the end of Nazi reign. But this trauma does not play out in one-dimensional sentiments of guilt and shame as is so often caricatured. To be clear, these tendencies do exist, but they are not what is holding the country back. Rather, within the third and fourth post-war generations, this trauma plays out primarily as a profound lack of trust in one’s own good intentions.

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This lack of trust in self has a dramatic effect on the way Germans discuss politics and form opinions. It leads to an enormous desire for establishing moral clarity upfront on all issues under dispute. On every single issue publicly debated, Germans need to settle one question first: if we take a decision, will we come out on the right side of the moral equation? Before interests or responsibilities can even become relevant criteria in a decision, every debate is infused with a moral dimension, serving one purpose only: establishing whether Germany can stay morally clean. The historic trauma of complete moral bankruptcy has made “staying morally clean” the overarching German national interest.

An interesting take on why Germany is a ball-less wonder.
 

ShieldWife

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No nation can exist if it's primary national value is being ashamed of its history. A nation needs to have pride in itself and in its history, this includes Germany. Really though, they shouldn't focus on sending their troops around the world. The USA does that and it only causes us trouble. Their problem is the same as other Western nation, the failure to protect their own national borders.
 
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Modern Germany essentially has a political elite and a "moral majority" based entirely on trying to present an image of respectability to the world. For 70 years west and then Germany generally was more or less required to make a ritual performance out showing their subordination to the political objectives of the rest of the west to show that they were safe. It has now become an ingrained cultural habit in their political elites. By standing for internationalist, atlanticist values they are supposed to protect Germany--because Germany has been shorn of the ability to protect herself otherwise. Germany could protect herself otherwise now, but the German zeitgeist does not imagine it as being possible. Remember that most of the Bundeswehr leadership was former WW2 officers until a very late period, to some extent they were trying to run a military in a country fundamentally convinced that a military was unnecessary because a moral order would protect Germany instead.

And so far they've been right, since the US was there.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Not for long hopefully. The sooner the "moral majority" and the elite lose their protection in form of the USA, the better off the actual German people will be.

I think there are already cracks forming, I think they have an accused “Far Right” party or politicians or figures gaining attention as well as people becoming disgruntled by how “Multiculturalism” is only really sending essentially one culture and its not so nice
 

Urabrask Revealed

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I think there are already cracks forming, I think they have an accused “Far Right” party or politicians or figures gaining attention as well as people becoming disgruntled by how “Multiculturalism” is only really sending essentially one culture and its not so nice
Yeah, the AfD is steadily gaining power and seats in the parliament. It helps that the etablishment and the german MSM are tweeking out like crazy over "racists" daring to try and steer the nation. The more they refuse to cooperate, the more seats the AfD will until we hopefully reach a supermajority where the AfD can do whatever it wants with the parties sitting impotently at the wayside. Unlikely to happen, but a man can dream.
 
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Moving closer to Russia? You know, it’s kinda strange but for former Communists, it looks like the Western Left hates and fears them

The German government has been quite willing to repeatedly try to bring about an end to the current crisis in relations with Russia. They don't want to risk a war or even an intensified confrontation.
 

CarlManvers2019

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The German government has been quite willing to repeatedly try to bring about an end to the current crisis in relations with Russia. They don't want to risk a war or even an intensified confrontation.

Because they know that Russia actually would shoot if provoked and compared to the rest of the West, are more likely to clamp down on ANTIFA or even Muslim Migrants who want Sharia Law?
 
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Because they know that Russia actually would shoot if provoked and compared to the rest of the West, are more likely to clamp down on ANTIFA or even Muslim Migrants who want Sharia Law?


Russia just doesn’t have a functional antifa movement; it does have real communists but they don’t behave that way, in a sense they’re almost conservatives. The closest thing in Russia to antifa is “Pussy Riot”, really.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Russia just doesn’t have a functional antifa movement; it does have real communists but they don’t behave that way, in a sense they’re almost conservatives. The closest thing in Russia to antifa is “Pussy Riot”, really.

There’s some real sense of irony there, maybe a sort of tough hardened cynical attitude is what is responsible for their behavior

Also, Putin as I recall openly PITIED Greta Gutenberg on live television, saying she was just her parents tool or something and an idiot
 
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There’s some real sense of irony there, maybe a sort of tough hardened cynical attitude is what is responsible for their behavior

Also, Putin as I recall openly PITIED Greta Gutenberg on live television, saying she was just her parents tool or something and an idiot

Russia is a very family minded country, its birth problems come from the massive demographic echo of communism and total social collapse in the 90s.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Russia is a very family minded country, its birth problems come from the massive demographic echo of communism and total social collapse in the 90s.

I guess it takes going full Communist to see that Capitalism and Conservative values have their merits, even whilst keeping said Communist government in power.

Same with China, who I think should never have done that 1 child policy, especially since they prefer male babies over female ones for some inane reason to do with last names.

How many people call Russia "Fascist" in the West? I already hear that Putin alongside Trump are considered "Strongmen" and that is a very negative title
 

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Russia just doesn’t have a functional antifa movement; it does have real communists but they don’t behave that way, in a sense they’re almost conservatives. The closest thing in Russia to antifa is “Pussy Riot”, really.
Yeah, and Pussy Riot is routinely put into prison, so they have no appeal as the "Smash some shops, beat people up, and get away with it because one side of the state endorses you secretly" option unlike Antifa.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Personally they should stop relying on the US and start being self reliant. Depending on the US is like expecting welfare which is detrimental to growth.

Eh, a LOT of people really DO need welfare, though I think lots of private charities would be the better option and it probably won't affect pricing
 

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Eh, a LOT of people really DO need welfare, though I think lots of private charities would be the better option and it probably won't affect pricing
They do but there's a limit. I have been on welfare at a time but managed to get out of it after finding employment overseas. Unfortunately others may never get out of that loop thanks to the difficulties of succeeding in getting a job. I sympathise with Terthna for that.

But that's more of an analogy. Many countries rely on the US way too much. Problem with that is when the US can no longer maintain that status quo.

It's always better to be more self reliant in theory.
 

CarlManvers2019

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But that's more of an analogy. Many countries rely on the US way too much. Problem with that is when the US can no longer maintain that status quo.

It's always better to be more self reliant in theory.

Rely and hate the USA, I mean repeatedly going on about their "Military-Industrial Complex" and constantly sending their soldiers overseas isn't exactly seen as a good thing

I mean, in the first place, how many feel that the US Military is incredibly dangerous to civilians?
 

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