Harry Potter Potterverse Discussion Thread

[Bear Ribs]

Riddlemort woulda been a better direction to take Voldy as well. This murderous psychopath with good looks and a dark charisma to him ... infinitely preferable to the cackling Skeletor-esque bad guy we got.

I ran into a fanfic once with the interesting premise that the diary was successful, Riddlemort returned, and he was completely horrified at what he'd turned into and wound up leading the fight against Voldemort.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

to quote myself in a conversation with another member

Personal opinion: I think the biggest flaw with the series is that it all revolves around Harry and his point of view. Harry is the chosen one and he and those with him could never be flat out wrong. Everyone that's against him has to be associated with the biggest bad in the world in some manner and in order to make his personal life seem grander everyone else has to be borderline irrelevant.

A villain is only as good as his hero and vice versa and harry is just not an epic hero (Like king Arthur) or even an average joe turned Epic hero (like Luke Skywalker or Frodo) he's just a highschooler and his was like that for half the series and Voldemort despite supposedly being the big bad comes across less like Hitler and more of that racist next-door neighbor you always dreamed of punching in the face but couldn't because you're a kid and he's an adult. It really does feel like in order to artificially make these two seem more epic, Rowling had to make the entire rest of the world seem clueless.

I think what honestly should have happened is we see the stories from multiple POVs and then have them all intersect in the final act like we see in LOTR or even Star Wars.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Hmm... Imma point out the first book was intended for 12-year-olds. That kind of complex narrative doesn't work for that age group. The first book had to be the simple Harry-centric narrative it was for its readers, going with a multi-POV complex tale wouldn't have worked for them.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I kinda like the idea of Riddle being less a Hitler expy and much more like a Klan leader from the 1880s or 1950s with his official support and the like or an IRA type dude.

It clearly delineates him from Grendelwald who was this insane eco-fascist and moral absolutist while also making his unspeakable nature more grounded.

After all, the Wizarding war where Grendelwald fell didn't impact the lives of the average wizard in England.

But some fucking lunatic with his hit squad blasting your neighbors to pieces and committing ethnic terrorism against your friends is gonna be a lot visceral and then you add that you never know who could be sympathetic and the climate of fear is more home grown.

Fits a school story better as well.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Harry should have been genuinely terrified of Voldemort. Even when facing him for the last time he would only just be managing to hide the trembling, because this is, essentially, a vengeful wraith that slaughtered his parents and has haunted him for seventeen years (indeed, I would definitely have gone all in with the "Voldemort's not quite alive." He's regained physical form, but he's almost like a Nazgul now because he has beaten death).

That should all be very frightening for a teenager, let alone the little boy Harry started as.

 

[Navarro]

I kinda like the idea of Riddle being less a Hitler expy and much more like a Klan leader from the 1880s or 1950s with his official support and the like or an IRA type dude.

I read a fan essay online which argued p. convincingly that the DEs were based pretty strongly on the IRA, which would have been an obvious source of inspiration as the Troubles were ending just as J. K. had started writing.

 

[Bassoe]

Riddlemort woulda been a better direction to take Voldy as well. This murderous psychopath with good looks and a dark charisma to him ... infinitely preferable to the cackling Skeletor-esque bad guy we got.

I kinda like the idea of Riddle being less a Hitler expy and much more like a Klan leader from the 1880s or 1950s with his official support and the like or an IRA type dude.

It clearly delineates him from Grendelwald who was this insane eco-fascist and moral absolutist while also making his unspeakable nature more grounded.

After all, the Wizarding war where Grendelwald fell didn't impact the lives of the average wizard in England.

But some fucking lunatic with his hit squad blasting your neighbors to pieces and committing ethnic terrorism against your friends is gonna be a lot visceral and then you add that you never know who could be sympathetic and the climate of fear is more home grown.

Fits a school story better as well.

Make it so originally Voldemort was the charismatic IRA-cult leader-Thulsa Doom type, until godric's hollow. Maybe the resurrection ritual in Goblet of Fire failed, maybe it was a consequence of dividing his soul or spending over a decade as essentially an angry poltergeist, anyway, when restored, he'd lost Riddle's good looks and whatever was left of his sanity, turning into the psychopath who brutalized his followers at the drop of a hat. Or maybe he was always like that, until his followers were in too deep to leave his organization. Get them to brand themselves with his symbol, then commit atrocities until they could never return to civilization without being justifiably demonized as his supporters unless they conquered it in his name.

 

[LTR]

May 2nd Will Always Be an Important Day in History.



Never Forget How Close Our World Came To Being Brought Under the Domination of Lord Voldemort Thanks to Egregious Government Ineptitude Resulting in a Bunch of Teenaged Paramilitary Cadets Having to Save the World From Evil.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Due to declining revenues of the Fantastic Beasts films and allegedly also due to the "controversies" of several of its leading actors like Johnny Depp, JK Rowling and Ezra Miller, the new CEO of Warner Bros maybe considering a reboot of the entire franchise, Harry Potter included. 🤷‍♀️

It was recently reported that Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav is reportedly considering a “reset” of the entire Harry Potter film series, and not just Fantastic Beasts. While nothing concrete has been confirmed, this is looking more likely by the day.

'Harry Potter’ Reboot More Likely Than Ever as Wizarding World Support Collapses - Inside the Magic

'Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore' continues to underperform, but what does this mean for the future of 'Harry Potter'?

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[Free-Stater 101]

Seriously 90% of all of Voldemort's kills were ambushes and underhanded tricks not dueling skill. his only impressive feat was being able to take on both Flitwick and McGonigal and I'd argue you could even debate the circumstances of that fight.

Both of them had already been fighting for hours by that point and then Voldie showed up completely fresh from lazily sitting in the shrieking shack all day so it is pretty debatable.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Due to declining revenues of the Fantastic Beasts films and allegedly also due to the "controversies" of several of its leading actors like Johnny Depp, JK Rowling and Ezra Miller, the new CEO of Warner Bros maybe considering a reboot of the entire franchise, Harry Potter included. 🤷‍♀️

'Harry Potter’ Reboot More Likely Than Ever as Wizarding World Support Collapses - Inside the Magic

'Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore' continues to underperform, but what does this mean for the future of 'Harry Potter'?

insidethemagic.net

The time has passed for HP.

Considering how spectacularly the WB handled the Kenshin series if they wanna do an Urban fantasy they should partner with Netflix and do Yu Yu Hakusho. So long as it stays out of an American directors office.

Damn though they need to burn it all to salvage it due to the train wrecks of Miller and Heard.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

The time has passed for HP.

Considering how spectacularly the WB handled the Kenshin series if they wanna do an Urban fantasy they should partner with Netflix and do Yu Yu Hakusho. So long as it stays out of an American directors office.

Damn though they need to burn it all to salvage it due to the train wrecks of Miller and Heard.

They're trying to make it more woke, aren't they? Like that's already going to make those broke wokes giddy like kids with a crap ton of candy.

Although, if they were going to reboot the HP series, they could have explored more of those minor characters that became popular to use in fanfictions (namely Tracey Davis, Daphne Greengrass, Astoria Greengrass, Hannah Abbott, and Susan Bones). Otherwise, what's the point?

 

[Captain X]

Why would they even bother considering the woke crowd will probably crap on it no matter what simply because of their hatred for the author?

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Why would they even bother considering the woke crowd will probably crap on it no matter what simply because of their hatred for the author?

Because some leftoid or freak in there convinced the suits there's money to be made.

 

[ChrisNuttall]

Riddlemort woulda been a better direction to take Voldy as well. This murderous psychopath with good looks and a dark charisma to him ... infinitely preferable to the cackling Skeletor-esque bad guy we got.

Or have 'Skeletor' be the diversion - the real threat is busy laying the groundwork for the takeover, while Skeletor is running around cackling like a loony ...

 

[The One Char]

Or have 'Skeletor' be the diversion - the real threat is busy laying the groundwork for the takeover, while Skeletor is running around cackling like a loony ...

Riddlemort woulda been a better direction to take Voldy as well. This murderous psychopath with good looks and a dark charisma to him ... infinitely preferable to the cackling Skeletor-esque bad guy we got.

With Horcruxs you can have both.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Or have 'Skeletor' be the diversion - the real threat is busy laying the groundwork for the takeover, while Skeletor is running around cackling like a loony ...

Weirdly enough, if you substituted Voldemort with Skeletor, you'd probably get a far more dangerous obstacle for the heroes. People mock Skeletor, but his failures are almost always induced by the cock ups of his subordinates.

 

[Argent]

Due to declining revenues of the Fantastic Beasts films and allegedly also due to the "controversies" of several of its leading actors like Johnny Depp, JK Rowling and Ezra Miller, the new CEO of Warner Bros maybe considering a reboot of the entire franchise, Harry Potter included. 🤷‍♀️

'Harry Potter’ Reboot More Likely Than Ever as Wizarding World Support Collapses - Inside the Magic

'Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore' continues to underperform, but what does this mean for the future of 'Harry Potter'?

insidethemagic.net

I think that it is more that the Fantastic Beast movies are disjointed. The whole build up to Wizarding War is bearly explained in the frist movie and badly expanded in the other two. Also we never get to see much outside of the small cast and the movies have limited world building.

Harry Potter has never had the most in depth world building to begin with. But the books and original movies at least had the building blocks and a decently sound start. The new movies have none of that. Also the random Asain country trip to pick a leader seems weird given Harry Potter focus on Europe with a bit on Amercia in Fantastic Beasts. It just felt like it was there for Woke credit.

So you have the frist movie follow a nerdy guy on a crazy adventure with a minor subplot about the war. While the other two are basically spy movies with a random crew trying to stop a war.

This doesn't create the slow build like the frist series with school boy adventures to fighting the war. Instead it has Zoologist becomes super spy to save the day overnight. Overall I think the producers and even JK ran into the same problems that Jurassic Park 3 did. Without a book to give them extra world building and a sound plot the results where subpar and disjoined.