I get to conquer the Federation (SW and ST Crossover/SI)

[Knowledgeispower]

Darth Sidious? He isn't, actually. That's just the COMPNOR party line, which he tolerates but doesn't actually follow himself. If anything, Darth Sidious is indifferent to species or gender, considering he promoted Thrawn to Grand Admiral, kept Mas Amedda as his official representative on the Imperial Senate and even gave him a seat on the Imperial Ruling Council both before and after the Imperial Senate's dissolution. In fact, Mas Amedda actually held more favor from Darth Sidious compared to Sate Pestage, who as Grand Vizier presided over both the Imperial Ruling Council and the Imperial Senate.

He also appointed Ysanne Isard the Director of Imperial Intelligence after her father's death. He was also aware of Grand Moff Tarkin's support for and promotion of Natasi Daala's career, up to and including being placed in effective command of the Maw branch of the Imperial superweapons program. Plenty of Dark Side adepts were women, including at least two of the Emperor's Hands.

Basically, Darth Sidious humored Crueya Vandron's Humanocentrist and misogynist ideology so long as it proved useful and convenient. But whenever it wasn't useful and convenient, Darth Sidious tossed it aside without hesitation.

I'm referring to the Empire as a whole in that particular line sorry if it caused any confusion

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

I'm referring to the Empire as a whole in that particular line sorry if it caused any confusion

Unfortunately true, I'm afraid. Though that too is the consequence of the Core being majority or at least plurality Human, of the much vilified enemies of the recent Clone Wars being majority alien, and historically the lingering echoes of the Pius Dea Crusades from millennia in the past.

 

[Zachowon]

Unfortunately true, I'm afraid. Though that too is the consequence of the Core being majority or at least plurality Human, of the much vilified enemies of the recent Clone Wars being majority alien, and historically the lingering echoes of the Pius Dea Crusades from millennia in the past.

Cant forget Pirates and the Hutts running around

 

[Knowledgeispower]

*Looks at Empire of War* twenty minutes? Pssh

It takes time train the capital ships crews to maximum level,but once they're there oh boy do they have some fun capabilities. For example the Polaris class can call in up to 3 copies of itself from other universes to help murder the enemy(mind you it has a long cooldown and a limited duration). Otherwise it takes maybe five minutes to replace your entire fleet cap if you have 2 capital ship yards, 1 Titan yard, and 5 or so cruiser/frigate yards....assuming you have the resources of course.

And yes I too love me some Empire at War mainly the mods though. For example I' currently playing through as the glorious Alliance to Restore the Republic on Hard mode in the Awakening of the Rebellion mod and oh boy the Empire is spamming ISDs. Fortunately they don't have carriers or Lancers and I killed the 4 Venators they get at the beginning of the game some time ago so the glorious Starfighter Corps softens up the enemy before my fleet moves in for the kill.

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

Cant forget Pirates and the Hutts running around

Well, I don't think anyone can be condemned for hating both of them. Even in our civilized 21st Century, pirates fall into a special category of their own, hostis humanis generis, i.e. enemy of Humanity. For all that bleeding heart Human Rights lawyers cry foul, all navies worth the name generally follow the rule that any pirate they catch are to be summarily tried and then hanged from the mast until dead.

And Hutts...come on, do I really have to explain this? They're the Hutts. It's self-explanatory.

 

[Knowledgeispower]

Well, I don't think anyone can be condemned for hating both of them. Even in our civilized 21st Century, pirates fall into a special category of their own, hostis humanis generis, i.e. enemy of Humanity. For all that bleeding heart Human Rights lawyers cry foul, all navies worth the name generally follow the rule that any pirate they catch are to be summarily tried and then hanged from the mast until dead.

And Hutts...come on, do I really have to explain this? They're the Hutts. It's self-explanatory.

Still any civilization that goes after the Wookies is pure evil. And then you have to consider all the other ways the Empire was terrible to 99.999% of its citizens.

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

Still any civilization that goes after the Wookies is pure evil. And then you have to consider all the other ways the Empire was terrible to 99.999% of its citizens.

The irony there is that once the New Republic had secured itself in power around the 20s ABY, they also began to adopt Core-centrist policies that led to a feeling of abandonment among the people of the Rim. Meanwhile, the Imperial Remnant abandoned Humanocentrism and misogyny - thanks to (gasp) Daala and then Pellaeon - and focused on the more tangible ideals of unity and order, which began to resound among the people of the Rim.

This became even more pronounced after the rise of the Fel Dynasty, if not even before that, with the Outer and Mid Rims practically (and willingly) Imperial Spheres of Interest after the Yuuzhan Vong War.

 

[Deleted member 88]

The Felpire used soft power in the Imperial Mission and Victory without War Program. Scientists, doctors, healers, counselors, were sent out to the neglected parts of the galaxy in the aftermath of the second galactic civil war.

This brought them a lot of good will, and when the GA sided with the Jedi and the Vong the benefits payed off.

 

[Knowledgeispower]

The irony there is that once the New Republic had secured itself in power around the 20s ABY, they also began to adopt Core-centrist policies that led to a feeling of abandonment among the people of the Rim. Meanwhile, the Imperial Remnant abandoned Humanocentrism and misogyny - thanks to (gasp) Daala and then Pellaeon - and focused on the more tangible ideals of unity and order, which began to resound among the people of the Rim.

This became even more pronounced after the rise of the Fel Dynasty, if not even before that, with the Outer and Mid Rims practically (and willingly) Imperial Spheres of Interest after the Yuuzhan Vong War.

Yep the New Republic got weird once Mon Mothma and Leia retired from politics. On the positive side because most sectors had a decent defense force the New Republic military(assuming it had a competent leader on both the political and military side(sigh why couldn't Ackbar have been a decade younger it would have made the Vong Invasion a lot less bloody)) could focus on the most grave threats ie the role of the Federal military in Star Wars when its not having its job defined by idiots. Honestly though the New Republic having the Reformations that made it into the GA(or a civil war) was inevitable the Vong just sped up the process by a few decades

 

[Knowledgeispower]

The Felpire used soft power in the Imperial Mission and Victory without War Program. Scientists, doctors, healers, counselors, were sent out to the neglected parts of the galaxy in the aftermath of the second galactic civil war.

This brought them a lot of good will, and when the GA sided with the Jedi and the Vong the benefits payed off.

Mind you the Fels then decided working with the Sith would be good idea and they then predictably got backstabbed and literally trillions of people died and mutiple worlds were sterilized including the homeworld of our favorite fish people as a result. Seriously did those idiots not read galactic history let alone their own family history

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

Yeah, and to be fair, the New Republic in Legends, for all that it had massive issues when it came to political and regional factionalism (the feud between Ackbar and Fey'lya comes to mind), had more brains compared to its Disney counterpart. Had anyone in the Legends New Republic suggested disbanding 90% of the military because "democracy doesn't need protecting", whoever was behind the suggestion would get laughed out of the rotunda...at best. At worst, they'd find themselves gagged and in a straitjacket, being carried in a padded shuttle to the nearest mental health hospital. Ditto for anyone who comes up with the idea of a 'mobile' capital, and all the bureaucratic makework that entails.

Seriously, who wrote that shit?

 

[Knowledgeispower]

Yeah, and to be fair, the New Republic in Legends, for all that it had massive issues when it came to political and regional factionalism (the feud between Ackbar and Fey'lya comes to mind), had more brains compared to its Disney counterpart. Had anyone suggested disbanding 90% of the military because "democracy doesn't need protecting", whoever was behind the suggestion would get laughed out of the rotunda...at best. At worst, they'd find themselves gagged and in a straitjacket, being carried in a padded shuttle to the nearest mental health hospital. Ditto for anyone who comes up with the idea of a 'mobile' capital, and all the bureaucratic makework that entails.

Seriously, who wrote that shit?

Someone who had had way too much to drink and was on the good stuff obviously. In universe it's my belief that the idiots in charge wanted a return back to the good old days before the clone wars were the Federal Government didn't have a military(please ignore that it had the Jedi). Also it would be a great idea if you had a military the size of the Empire at its peak and 50% of the forces you're releasing from Federal control are being transferred to sector defense forces with the rest being demobilized and turned into reservists

 

[Deleted member 88]

The Nucanon is not interested in any sort of internal logic. It exists to serve films which routinely ignore and contradict it.

 

[Knowledgeispower]

The Nucanon is not interested in any sort of internal logic. It exists to serve films which routinely ignore and contradict it.

Its almost as if nobody was coordinating anything with the writers of the films

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

The Nucanon is not interested in any sort of internal logic. It exists to serve films which routinely ignore and contradict it.

Its almost as if nobody was coordinating anything with the writers of the films

And there I was, under the impression that one reason they decanonized the EU/Legends is to bring consistency back to the lore

 

[Deleted member 88]

I mean at this point the Story Group said “it’s all fake anyway, like what you wanna like”

So it’s clear they are either indifferent as a matter of principle(likely true) or they realize the “one canon” really means the films count, nothing else does. As directors and screen writers absolutely will contradict novels and comics.

You could argue “well audience size difference!” But then staying consistent doesn’t mean the casual or general audience has to read some nerd book if it just wants to see a SW movie. But the hard core nerds will. And keeping the movie consistent with previous and upcoming material...really isn’t that hard if you care.

It’s more they simply do not care.

The EU was decanonized because keeping it as canon would have required one adaptations of it happen. At least loosely. Which Disney wasn’t going to stand for, and two the EU was simply so vast and arcane.

As it is they’ve shamelessly mined elements of the EU-up and to including using EU force powers to explain Rey’s abilities(someone referenced a legends guidebook or something) and the TROS being a watered down dumber Dark Empire.

Mind you the Fels then decided working with the Sith would be good idea and they then predictably got backstabbed and literally trillions of people died and mutiple worlds were sterilized including the homeworld of our favorite fish people as a result. Seriously did those idiots not read galactic history let alone their own family history

In fairness, the Sith helped Fel turn the tide of the war and the knowledge of the sabotage of the Ossus project was not widely known.

It was Nyna Calixte who conspired with the Sith anyway and basically presented Fel with the a fait accompli.

Fel notably was never enthusiastic about the war and even refused to allow the Imperial knights to participate. This indicates that he didn’t have the power of an absolute emperor, as in the days of Palpatine and so checked by the moffs went along with it.

At the same time he seemed happy to triumph over the GA and gain the submission of the Jedi, so it’s not like he wept for the galactic alliance. Predictably Krayt and the one Sith did not expect mere gratitude in return for services rendered and thus legacy happened.

 

[Knowledgeispower]

In fairness, the Sith helped Fel turn the tide of the war and the knowledge of the sabotage of the Ossus project was not widely known.

It was Nyna Calixte who conspired with the Sith anyway and basically presented Fel with the a fait accompli.

Fel notably was never enthusiastic about the war and even refused to allow the Imperial knights to participate. This indicates that he didn’t have the power of an absolute emperor, as in the days of Palpatine and so checked by the moffs went along with it.

At the same time he seemed happy to triumph over the GA and gain the submission of the Jedi, so it’s not like he wept for the galactic alliance. Predictably Krayt and the one Sith did not expect mere gratitude in return for services rendered and thus legacy happened.

Honestly when the core philosophy of the sith involves betrayal the only correct choice when they offer to help you is to vaporize them from orbit with the sole exception of fighting Abeloth (at least in the revelant time period)or another threat to the galaxy. And even then you put big space guns in orbit so that when they inevitably betray you once said threat is defeated even if they kill you they die. Mind said big space guns might get them to behave until you leave upon which you still vaporize them from orbit

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

I don't think it's even possible to destroy the Sith anymore. Not after the shit that went down at Mortis, according to Luke after Abeloth's (temporary) defeat. Apparently, with the Daughter and the Son dead, the Jedi and the Sith had become the respective embodiments of the Light and the Dark. It's quite possible that the Force itself will ensure the survival/resurrection of the Sith if the Jedi ever succeed in wiping them out to keep the balance, and vice-versa.

Not to mention it'd be a complete disaster. Remember: while it might be otherwise in canon, in Legends, it is explicitly stated that the ultimate victory of either Light or Darkness would only result in devastation for the galaxy.

Despite what Lucas might say, in Legends, balance is the textbook/Taoist definition, and not his or Disney's repeated tantrums statements that balance requires the Dark's complete destruction. Everything comes in twos: Light and Dark, Life and Death, Wisdom and Power, Peace and Passion, Creation and Destruction, even Good and Evil if you want to mince words.

Ironically, the pre-Great Sith War Jedi acknowledged this, with the original version of the Jedi Code.

Ignorance, yet knowledge.
Emotion, yet peace.
Passion, yet serenity.
Chaos, yet harmony.
Death, yet the Force.
​

It was only after the Great Sith War that they began rejecting the concept of duality, passed down from the ancient Je'dai, and grew increasingly dogmatic and absolutist in their philosophical interpretation of the Force. Though even then, their understanding of duality was...inferior (?), compared to the Je'dai, as seen in their code.

There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no fear, there is power.
I am the heart of the Force.
I am the cleansing fire of the Light.
I am the mystery of the Darkness.
In balance with chaos and harmony,
Immortal in the Force.
​

The duality is so present in the Je'dai's teachings that they simultaneously reject (as shown in the first two lines) and accept (as shown in the fourth, fifth, and sixth lines) the concept of duality.

 

[Zachowon]

Well, I don't think anyone can be condemned for hating both of them. Even in our civilized 21st Century, pirates fall into a special category of their own, hostis humanis generis, i.e. enemy of Humanity. For all that bleeding heart Human Rights lawyers cry foul, all navies worth the name generally follow the rule that any pirate they catch are to be summarily tried and then hanged from the mast until dead.

And Hutts...come on, do I really have to explain this? They're the Hutts. It's self-explanatory.

I was just naming known non human groups known for not being the nicest ones out there.

Still any civilization that goes after the Wookies is pure evil. And then you have to consider all the other ways the Empire was terrible to 99.999% of its citizens.

They were not that bad to core worlds.

Yeah, and to be fair, the New Republic in Legends, for all that it had massive issues when it came to political and regional factionalism (the feud between Ackbar and Fey'lya comes to mind), had more brains compared to its Disney counterpart. Had anyone in the Legends New Republic suggested disbanding 90% of the military because "democracy doesn't need protecting", whoever was behind the suggestion would get laughed out of the rotunda...at best. At worst, they'd find themselves gagged and in a straitjacket, being carried in a padded shuttle to the nearest mental health hospital. Ditto for anyone who comes up with the idea of a 'mobile' capital, and all the bureaucratic makework that entails.

Seriously, who wrote that shit?

JJ Abrams and his horrible need to repeat Episode 4. As a Serial defender of the ST I cant forgive Abrams for what he did with it. At least the Comic books and stuff stay somewhat consistant with the shows, movies, and books, same with the shows and books, where as the movies dont know what conistant is. There are multiple bad writers in the new canon, but a lot of it is pretty good, at least to me.

I stilll never really got into post ROTJ back in Legends, I was more of a fan of Clone wars and Old republic, with Traviss Mandos being the thing I focused most ROTJ.

 

[Navarro]

Again, the irony is that they didn't use to be like that. The late-23rd Century service had some civilian undertones, but they were a very professional force, something immediately evident from their uniforms.

The uniforms are professional and dignified, with clear rank and specialization designations, even service length with it comes to Kirk's uniform. All in all, they speak of a solid organization aimed at ensuring a single effort in pursuit of a common goal.

Then we get to the 24th Century uniform.

Not very professional at all, to say the least. They look more like members of some sports club, not even a professional scientific organization. That's not to say they don't get better, which they do...

But they never really regain the same air of...military professionalism compared to their late-23rd Century counterparts. But they do finally give the appearance of a proper and professional scientific organization towards the end. Which, to give due credit, is what they are.

The TNG era was the tail end of a century or so of peace ... no surprise they would start slacking.