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I looked and I didn't see one, so this is the Star Trek thread for fanfic recs, ideas, and discussion.
I would be interested in seeing a Voyager like story except where the sector of space they are dumped in (which might have to be an entirely separate galaxy) actually challenges the fundamental precepts of the Federation; including technical precepts.
Thinking about it, I would probably look at making the area a hybrid of ME and B5.
Although being honest, Voyager probably isn't a large enough crew to really do it justice. You just can't kill off enough people when you only have a crew of a few hundred.
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I've thought about doing some stuff in Trek, even started a story once long ago, but the problem is that it is so vast and inconsistent that doing it justice is incredibly difficult. It also lends itself to longer form stories and the written medium a great deal worse than many other settings.
ST is pretty much an inherently episodic show and has been from day one, which means that any story lines need to largely be internal to the ship if you want to keep the same feel. And that means doing a good character piece (which is about the most difficult writing, especially if you need to replicate already existing and popular characters).
Thinking about it, I would probably look at making the area a hybrid of ME and B5.
Although being honest, Voyager probably isn't a large enough crew to really do it justice. You just can't kill off enough people when you only have a crew of a few hundred.
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I've thought about doing some stuff in Trek, even started a story once long ago, but the problem is that it is so vast and inconsistent that doing it justice is incredibly difficult. It also lends itself to longer form stories and the written medium a great deal worse than many other settings.
ST is pretty much an inherently episodic show and has been from day one, which means that any story lines need to largely be internal to the ship if you want to keep the same feel. And that means doing a good character piece (which is about the most difficult writing, especially if you need to replicate already existing and popular characters).
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I've thought about a Voyager style story set in another galaxy or heck-the far side of the observable universe.
Have some capricious god being send a star ship 30 billion light years away.
Whereas Voyager had occasional contact with the AQ and was importantly in the same galaxy, so there was some familiarity(also the 37s, Borg, Ferengi, and so on.)
It would be a story of, "do we even bother trying to get home? Or do we find a way?" If not do we settle or explore?
because they'd be unlikely even for the descendants to ever see the Federation again.
Have some capricious god being send a star ship 30 billion light years away.
Whereas Voyager had occasional contact with the AQ and was importantly in the same galaxy, so there was some familiarity(also the 37s, Borg, Ferengi, and so on.)
It would be a story of, "do we even bother trying to get home? Or do we find a way?" If not do we settle or explore?
because they'd be unlikely even for the descendants to ever see the Federation again.
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So here's an idea.
Or rather a set of ideas.
Basically the founders are still infected, but in the pale moonlight backfires in spectacular fashion leading the romulans to join the war on the dominion side.
However within a year(and the Federation and Klingon empire being ground down and probably about six months away from surrendering under optimistic time tables) all of the Founders die, leading to a collapse of the dominion in the GQ and in the AQ.
The Federation and Klingons are basically rump states holding onto their core worlds at this point, and preparing for an inevitable defeat, but when the word can no longer be hidden that the founders are dead-the jem'hadar basically do a few things.
Commit suicide, turn on their vorta, or non dominion allies. Or some combination of the above, some of the more competent Alpha Jem'hadar with more individual initiative hold out a while longer before dying from lack of ketracel white. The Dominion falls apart-with the Cardassians and Romulans turning on each other in a spectacular change of fortune.
In the process illegal weapons of planetary destruction are used and billions die, but the Romulans having the overall stronger military and government prevail and take Cardassia in a bloody assault(I'm imagining increasingly outlandish cloak and dagger intrigues as the dominion falls apart before full scale war erupts).
Turns out, there was a real invasion of Romulus planned, albeit it would have been after the Federation and Klingon Empire had been dismembered.
Sisko was believed now to have been telling the truth, as the romulans sign peace with the Federation(from a position of marginally greater strength), while the Klingon empire disintegrates. Eventually a closer political and military bond is forged between the two recent enemies-the discovery on Cardassia having convinced the Romulans of Federation sincerity, not duplicity, as the two exhausted powers battered and basically about to fall over, determine the fate of the AQ. With promises of Federation aid to millions of Romulans who suffered from last ditch Cardassian biological weapons projects, the Federation begins to regain its feet, having been only months away from total defeat about a year previously.
Voyager takes longer to get home, with Janeway having been informed that the Federation was on the verge of total destruction, so Janeway and the Voyager crew spent around two extra years recruiting allies, mercenaries, and doing things like using time travel, Borg nanotechnology, and so on to achieve these ends and coming to rescue the Federation, only to find it had survived, battered bloody and bleeding, but still standing. Well on second thought-there is no Admiral Janeway in this timeline, so it takes them another decade or so.
A fleet of sorts had been formed, like in the void, with all agreeing to basic Federation principles(Janeway of course knew that by this time it would be too late and some new friends would leave and she let them without trouble).
Basically the hope was that the DQ Federation in exile as the crew had been calling it could somehow reconquer(well liberate) the Federation or inspire uprisings against Dominion rule(an enemy of which Voyager given its situation knew relatively little-other than that they had destroyed the Maquis, had soldiers called the Jem'hadar and were beating the Federation as well as being from the GQ).
Or rather a set of ideas.
Basically the founders are still infected, but in the pale moonlight backfires in spectacular fashion leading the romulans to join the war on the dominion side.
However within a year(and the Federation and Klingon empire being ground down and probably about six months away from surrendering under optimistic time tables) all of the Founders die, leading to a collapse of the dominion in the GQ and in the AQ.
The Federation and Klingons are basically rump states holding onto their core worlds at this point, and preparing for an inevitable defeat, but when the word can no longer be hidden that the founders are dead-the jem'hadar basically do a few things.
Commit suicide, turn on their vorta, or non dominion allies. Or some combination of the above, some of the more competent Alpha Jem'hadar with more individual initiative hold out a while longer before dying from lack of ketracel white. The Dominion falls apart-with the Cardassians and Romulans turning on each other in a spectacular change of fortune.
In the process illegal weapons of planetary destruction are used and billions die, but the Romulans having the overall stronger military and government prevail and take Cardassia in a bloody assault(I'm imagining increasingly outlandish cloak and dagger intrigues as the dominion falls apart before full scale war erupts).
Turns out, there was a real invasion of Romulus planned, albeit it would have been after the Federation and Klingon Empire had been dismembered.
Sisko was believed now to have been telling the truth, as the romulans sign peace with the Federation(from a position of marginally greater strength), while the Klingon empire disintegrates. Eventually a closer political and military bond is forged between the two recent enemies-the discovery on Cardassia having convinced the Romulans of Federation sincerity, not duplicity, as the two exhausted powers battered and basically about to fall over, determine the fate of the AQ. With promises of Federation aid to millions of Romulans who suffered from last ditch Cardassian biological weapons projects, the Federation begins to regain its feet, having been only months away from total defeat about a year previously.
Voyager takes longer to get home, with Janeway having been informed that the Federation was on the verge of total destruction, so Janeway and the Voyager crew spent around two extra years recruiting allies, mercenaries, and doing things like using time travel, Borg nanotechnology, and so on to achieve these ends and coming to rescue the Federation, only to find it had survived, battered bloody and bleeding, but still standing. Well on second thought-there is no Admiral Janeway in this timeline, so it takes them another decade or so.
A fleet of sorts had been formed, like in the void, with all agreeing to basic Federation principles(Janeway of course knew that by this time it would be too late and some new friends would leave and she let them without trouble).
Basically the hope was that the DQ Federation in exile as the crew had been calling it could somehow reconquer(well liberate) the Federation or inspire uprisings against Dominion rule(an enemy of which Voyager given its situation knew relatively little-other than that they had destroyed the Maquis, had soldiers called the Jem'hadar and were beating the Federation as well as being from the GQ).
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@AndrewJTalon your a Trek fan, thoughts on the above?
PeliusAnar
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The idea is okay. The issue is Star Trek was more a vision of the future with a dash of sci-fi I always felt. The main issue with any Trek story is that the tech on all levels is incredibly broken. So writing any kind of fanfiction in the setting always seems to fall a bit flat. Even galactic politics gets a bit tiresome. I mean you really just did your entire story already in the post. Like the idea sounds good, but it will be hell to write out the details.
If we are throwing ideas out there, I would make a character that emerged ~200 years before DS9 that violated all the precepts of the Federation. Genetic Engineering, transhumanism, eventually ending up as a brain in a jar, inside a robot that has lived a long time and is viewed as a criminal by the Federation for violating their science laws, but not being a mass murderer. You could then have them on Chakotay's ship or another ship that is flung into the delta quadrant and make a lot of Voyager drama, or help the Bajorans out a lot and given a place on DS9 and spice up the station a bit more. That contrast of embracing tech to advance oneself to the limit compared to the Federation and the ideals they stand for would make for a great story without focusing on tech stuff or galactic politics.
If we are throwing ideas out there, I would make a character that emerged ~200 years before DS9 that violated all the precepts of the Federation. Genetic Engineering, transhumanism, eventually ending up as a brain in a jar, inside a robot that has lived a long time and is viewed as a criminal by the Federation for violating their science laws, but not being a mass murderer. You could then have them on Chakotay's ship or another ship that is flung into the delta quadrant and make a lot of Voyager drama, or help the Bajorans out a lot and given a place on DS9 and spice up the station a bit more. That contrast of embracing tech to advance oneself to the limit compared to the Federation and the ideals they stand for would make for a great story without focusing on tech stuff or galactic politics.
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Or you can do the lazy thing and just do...shipping!
But yes there are definite issues with writing trek fanfiction.
Though it depends on what you are trying to write.
But yes there are definite issues with writing trek fanfiction.
Though it depends on what you are trying to write.
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You know, I'd love to see some post novelverse fanfiction-set either in the DQ following the Voyager relaunch or after the Hobus Supernova in the last years of the 24th century and early 25th century.
I recommend this story just for the ideas alone. Who would've thought the replicator\transporter technology can be used as a Mass to Energy reactor safer and more efficient than anti-matter?
Smart Trek, where humanity overestimated the competency of the galaxy.
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UberIguana
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I've been thinking about the film First Contact and the bit where the Borg open fire on Cochrane's test facility. The torpedos they launch have about the same destructive power as a large Hollywood squib (wonder why) and generally fail to do more than inconvenience everyone.
What if they actually work as intended? The the Ent-E arrives and destroys the sphere, but it's too late. Cochrane, the Phoenix, and humanities future history have gone up in a mushroom cloud. Now the Enterprise and crew are stuck there. The future they knew is gone and they have to decide what to do next. Does the temporal prime directive still apply now the timeline is shot? (I'd downplay the prevalence of timetravel outside the recent event, but that's because it's just messy to work with.) Worse, the 2060's US has noticed the recent explosion and is blaming whatever's left of the Eastern Coalition (or whatever it was called). The Enterprise pretty much has to intervene or World War 4 is on.
They do, many bricks are shat, Picard and co. find it harder than they'd feared to convince people that a future of peace and prosperity in the form of the Federation is possible, but the leaders of Earth are at least willing to hear him out. The fact he has a fantastically advanced starship that's armed to the teeth in orbit might have something to do with this. From here we see things snowball into the Enterprise crew deciding to try and rebuild something akin to the Federation, since the timeline is already fucked, so why not?
They might not have come to a decision and intervened in time to meet the Vulcans, so that's one potential quandry. Do they set out to meet them (an afternoon's trip for the Enterprise). What about other founding members? Picard will likely be aware that the mere existence of a ship as powerful as the Enterprise is an implicit threat to everyone in neighbouring sectors. Worse, if they're trying to rebuild the Federation or something like it, others might join because they're fearful or envious of it's military power. Picard decides to push Earth into keeping the Enterprise's existence a secret as much as possible, partially because it's existence is a temporary advantage (the ship won't last forever, especially not without a 24th century industrial base to repair and resupply it). The other reason is the military threat and advantage the Enterprise represents means worlds might join either out of fear or to gain leverage over their neighbours, something which goes against the principles Picard so strongly believes in.
From there we see a very different, initially far more advanced Federation slowly start to come together. Perhaps one far less unified as without the threat of the Romulan war there's no great pressure forcing them to work together.
I'd probably ditch the Borg getting aboard and trying to take over subplot, but it might work for getting the polities of Earth to sit up and pay attention, knowing how close they came to complete destruction a second time.
What if they actually work as intended? The the Ent-E arrives and destroys the sphere, but it's too late. Cochrane, the Phoenix, and humanities future history have gone up in a mushroom cloud. Now the Enterprise and crew are stuck there. The future they knew is gone and they have to decide what to do next. Does the temporal prime directive still apply now the timeline is shot? (I'd downplay the prevalence of timetravel outside the recent event, but that's because it's just messy to work with.) Worse, the 2060's US has noticed the recent explosion and is blaming whatever's left of the Eastern Coalition (or whatever it was called). The Enterprise pretty much has to intervene or World War 4 is on.
They do, many bricks are shat, Picard and co. find it harder than they'd feared to convince people that a future of peace and prosperity in the form of the Federation is possible, but the leaders of Earth are at least willing to hear him out. The fact he has a fantastically advanced starship that's armed to the teeth in orbit might have something to do with this. From here we see things snowball into the Enterprise crew deciding to try and rebuild something akin to the Federation, since the timeline is already fucked, so why not?
They might not have come to a decision and intervened in time to meet the Vulcans, so that's one potential quandry. Do they set out to meet them (an afternoon's trip for the Enterprise). What about other founding members? Picard will likely be aware that the mere existence of a ship as powerful as the Enterprise is an implicit threat to everyone in neighbouring sectors. Worse, if they're trying to rebuild the Federation or something like it, others might join because they're fearful or envious of it's military power. Picard decides to push Earth into keeping the Enterprise's existence a secret as much as possible, partially because it's existence is a temporary advantage (the ship won't last forever, especially not without a 24th century industrial base to repair and resupply it). The other reason is the military threat and advantage the Enterprise represents means worlds might join either out of fear or to gain leverage over their neighbours, something which goes against the principles Picard so strongly believes in.
From there we see a very different, initially far more advanced Federation slowly start to come together. Perhaps one far less unified as without the threat of the Romulan war there's no great pressure forcing them to work together.
I'd probably ditch the Borg getting aboard and trying to take over subplot, but it might work for getting the polities of Earth to sit up and pay attention, knowing how close they came to complete destruction a second time.
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So here are a few Trek what ifs.
1. Organian intervention in the Dominion war. Assuming Organia is reached by Dominion forces or otherwise fought over, the Organians once again decisively intervene to bring peace, doing so against the Will of the Prophets leading to a cosmic war.
2. Not sure about the POD-but I want to see a voyager story where Seven ascends to the rank of captain, I dunno most of the other senior staff die? Including Harry? Not sure how that would work.
3. Intendant Kira is arrested on DS9. For the Orb theft, leading to an attempt from the Klingon-Cardassian alliance to retrieve her. Leading to an inter universal conflict.
4. Story idea-the logs of Lieutenant Ducane, of the time ship relativity. This would require a lot of creativity to work. But I’d love to see an author tackle being a Trek time cop.
5. Just a concept, a story from the perspective of scientists at the Daystrom Institute.
1. Organian intervention in the Dominion war. Assuming Organia is reached by Dominion forces or otherwise fought over, the Organians once again decisively intervene to bring peace, doing so against the Will of the Prophets leading to a cosmic war.
2. Not sure about the POD-but I want to see a voyager story where Seven ascends to the rank of captain, I dunno most of the other senior staff die? Including Harry? Not sure how that would work.
3. Intendant Kira is arrested on DS9. For the Orb theft, leading to an attempt from the Klingon-Cardassian alliance to retrieve her. Leading to an inter universal conflict.
4. Story idea-the logs of Lieutenant Ducane, of the time ship relativity. This would require a lot of creativity to work. But I’d love to see an author tackle being a Trek time cop.
5. Just a concept, a story from the perspective of scientists at the Daystrom Institute.
The first idea is pretty interesting, especially since it allows us to explore facets of that story that haven't been explored. It can even be used to examine the pah-wraiths and question if they are actually the villains or if they only appeared to be ones because they opposed the protagonists? If they prophets are suddenly cast into the role of the antagonist, what does this mean for their own opposition?
Bassoe
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I remember reading something vaguely similar once, I think it was either on deviantart or alternatehistory forum, where the Jack Pack's plan to cripple the Federation works, the Dominion is winning the war and the Federation remnant starts spamming superweapons. As seen from the perspective of the Voyager crew halfway around the galaxy, getting a message essentially telling them 'there's nothing left to come back to, go build a Federation successor state'.
No one has ever done a story where the Dominion and the GE threw down and its a damn shame, because bastard vs bastard is always fun.,
Damn, that's brutal.
Damn, that's brutal.
Bassoe
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Zefram Cochrane encounters the romulans instead of the vulcans. They don't even technically need to conquer earth, just offer a ticket out of the radioactive wasteland and access to their technologies for anyone who wanted to sign up as their mercenaries.
So we get gurkha Kirk, hired gun of the romulan empire which is currently trying to reconquer vulcan with the advantage of large numbers of human cannon fodder, vs Captain Spock, commander of a vulcan warship. Then by TNG, Sela has became space!Odovacar. Then the hobus supernova destroys romulus and everything goes completely to hell. Now we just need a way to work the dominion invasion and/or the borg into all of this...
So we get gurkha Kirk, hired gun of the romulan empire which is currently trying to reconquer vulcan with the advantage of large numbers of human cannon fodder, vs Captain Spock, commander of a vulcan warship. Then by TNG, Sela has became space!Odovacar. Then the hobus supernova destroys romulus and everything goes completely to hell. Now we just need a way to work the dominion invasion and/or the borg into all of this...
Bassoe
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How about the shipwrecked borg in Antarctica getting found a few years later?
UberIguana
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That would be well after the fact and wouldn't really scare anyone the way active borg would. The fact aliens tried to invade would probably be public knowledge by that point anyway. They might find debris from the sphere, but with the Enterprise crew there to warn them how dangerous the borg can be, they aren't likely to get very far.
The bottom left ship strikes me as the best if you're going for stuff that's still reminiscent of the Federation. It has just enough similarity to 24th century Federation ships that you can see the lineage while still being its own thing. The swept back, hull mounted nacelles resemble the Steamrunner and its a fairly elegant design in its own right. The center module between the nacelles kind of detracts from it overall though. The rest of the ship looks quite solidly build, but the module is this scrawny little bit hanging off that disrupts the general profile and doesn't quite fit. Leaving the nacelles bare would be better.
Most of the rest either don't look like Federation ships, or look like kitbashed 22nd-24th century ones.