Immigration and multiculturalism news

[gral]

But they don't migrate to avoid the crime, 99.9% do so to avoid poverty, while Mexico and Brazil are in fact some of richer countries in their area.

And there is a lot of migration to those countries as well - the 'illegal Bolivian sweatshop immigrant worker' is a stereotype for a reason(Argentina also got plenty of Bolivian immigrants as well - well, I suppose they are getting less of them now).

 

[Marduk]

The impression that I get is that some of them do, in fact, migrate in part to avoid the crime, especially the gangs:

El Salvador : Gang-related Asylum | El Salvador | Asylum

www.shautsova.com

Of course they would say that, as it is a hard to verify claim that constitutes a semi-valid asylum claim, while just being an illegal economic migrant isn't. But wonder how their opinion would change if they were offered asylum from crime in a safer, but poorer country than their own. That's kinda the idea with UK's Rwanda scheme and Australia's PNG scheme. Let's just say that the idea works, the countries are not a hit with the migrants at all, and the schemes get suspended/stopped only by legal action from western country hating activists.

Obviously the US's wealthier economy is why they would prefer to resettle here rather than in, say, Argentina or Chile, though. But Argentina or Chile would still be an improvement in both economic terms and safety terms in comparison to their own home countries. Though if they really want to move to Mexico or Brazil instead, then they should be helped in doing this.

Argentina is a bit poorer than Mexico, and a bit richer than Brazil. Just Chile is richer.

As for these countries not wanting them, well, sometimes a little charity, or Western bribery, might be in order. Really, having the West pay these countries to resettle refugees might not be such a bad deal. It might also be cheaper than resettling them en masse in the West.

Might aswell go straight to the poor countries for better effect, those actually need the money.

 

[WolfBear]

Of course they would say that, as it is a hard to verify claim that constitutes a semi-valid asylum claim, while just being an illegal economic migrant isn't. But wonder how their opinion would change if they were offered asylum from crime in a safer, but poorer country than their own. That's kinda the idea with UK's Rwanda scheme and Australia's PNG scheme. Let's just say that the idea works, the countries are not a hit with the migrants at all, and the schemes get suspended/stopped only by legal action from western country hating activists.


Argentina is a bit poorer than Mexico, and a bit richer than Brazil. Just Chile is richer.


Might aswell go straight to the poor countries for better effect, those actually need the money.

I'm actually somewhat of a critic of the Australian model in the sense that I think that it needlessly wastes human talent:

When the quest for freedom goes horribly wrong | CNN

Dr. Sayed Mirwais Rohani wanted to heal people, but he died a broken man.

www.cnn.com

This guy could have been a productive doctor, but he never got the chance. At the very least, there should be an attempt to try discovering talent among refugees and asylum seekers so that they won't commit suicide afterwards. And all of them should likewise be given proper mental health care and a decent life, even in PNG or Rwanda or whatever, for the same reason.

I support what BoJo is doing in Rwanda since they get to stay at fancy hotels there at a very low cost, so it's a win-win for both British taxpayers and the migrants themselves. If only Britain could also provide some decent jobs for the migrants and for the Rwandans in general, it would be even more of a win-win. Working-class jobs in Rwanda are fine if they're not abusive.

I was talking about Argentina and Chile being wealthier than El Salvador and Honduras, not wealthier than Mexico.

Perhaps. But they would also need to be developing rapidly and be relatively well-governed. Wouldn't want to live in a poor country with a crazy tin-pot dictator, after all.

I heard that Ethiopia was a success story prior to its recent civil war:

Ethiopia

Africa has more than 50 political entities and more than a billion people with some of the highest concentrations of genetic and cultural diversity on the planet. For every destitute failure like Niger, you have some country that bucks the stereotype and dispels some of the doom and gloom that...

www.unz.com

 

[BlackDragon98]

While this is true, they have made a fuck load of progress in the last century, and while I expect it to take a couple hundred years for things to shake out it is starting to happen.

yes and no

progress came but in the form of strongmen that dragged Africa into the modern era like Nasser, Gaddafi, and Co. or it came from colonialism, like Rhodesia.

but now both have been destroyed (by either the UN, US, and/or NATO) and Africa is almost permanently dependent on foreign aid.

they've gone back to fighting along tribal lines, with the addition of some islamic nutshit in the north and west.

only difference is they've gone from spears to AKs.

 

[WolfBear]

yes and no

progress came but in the form of strongmen that dragged Africa into the modern era like Nasser, Gaddafi, and Co. or it came from colonialism, like Rhodesia.

but now both have been destroyed (by either the UN, US, and/or NATO) and Africa is almost permanently dependent on foreign aid.

they've gone back to fighting along tribal lines, with the addition of some islamic nutshit in the north and west.

only difference is they've gone from spears to AKs.

It doesn't help that Canada is figuratively poaching Africa's smartest people (brain drain). But then again I can understand why exactly smart Africans don't want to live next to duller (and more crime-prone) Africans.

 

[Cherico]

yes and no

progress came but in the form of strongmen that dragged Africa into the modern era like Nasser, Gaddafi, and Co. or it came from colonialism, like Rhodesia.

but now both have been destroyed (by either the UN, US, and/or NATO) and Africa is almost permanently dependent on foreign aid.

they've gone back to fighting along tribal lines, with the addition of some islamic nutshit in the north and west.

only difference is they've gone from spears to AKs.

Yes and Europe after the fall of the Western Roman empire was also a disaster. It's took a long time for Europe to unfuck themselves took a long time for east Asia and India to do the same stuff takes time hence me talking about centuries.

 

[Marduk]

I'm actually somewhat of a critic of the Australian model in the sense that I think that it needlessly wastes human talent:

When the quest for freedom goes horribly wrong | CNN

Dr. Sayed Mirwais Rohani wanted to heal people, but he died a broken man.

www.cnn.com

This guy could have been a productive doctor, but he never got the chance. At the very least, there should be an attempt to try discovering talent among refugees and asylum seekers so that they won't commit suicide afterwards. And all of them should likewise be given proper mental health care and a decent life, even in PNG or Rwanda or whatever, for the same reason.

>Afghan doctor trained in China
>joins boat people instead of starting a practice in China or any other of the region's country
>has mental health problems which supposedly are Australia's fault

More likely the guy was either a con (wonder what other documents he didn't have) or a greedy idiot. I'm pretty sure one could find interesting stories about... the quality of degrees from China. Seriously, are there no more third world countries that would gladly employ even a shoddy, China trained doctor (which is not what western medical insurers want to deal with really)?
Seriously, do people think that they are owed a life in a rich western country just by virtue of existing?
FFS, some of the third world countries in the region even have oil revenues, so the pay for a doctor isn't too bad there.

I support what BoJo is doing in Rwanda since they get to stay at fancy hotels there at a very low cost, so it's a win-win for both British taxpayers and the migrants themselves. If only Britain could also provide some decent jobs for the migrants and for the Rwandans in general, it would be even more of a win-win. Working-class jobs in Rwanda are fine if they're not abusive.

Western politicians are ultimately supposed to serve their electorate, not illegal immigrants and countries on other continents hired to deal with them.

I was talking about Argentina and Chile being wealthier than El Salvador and Honduras, not wealthier than Mexico.

In that case it would have to be something like the Rwanda/PNG scheme, as legal intervention against migrants, because as far as making money goes they have nowhere near as much of a potential there as USA and the migrants know it better than anyone else.

Perhaps. But they would also need to be developing rapidly and be relatively well-governed. Wouldn't want to live in a poor country with a crazy tin-pot dictator, after all.

Impossible on a large scale - any country claiming to be well government will more or less limit immigration at some level, and only few are in such circumstances that this can be a high level.

 

[BlackDragon98]

>Afghan doctor trained in China
>joins boat people instead of starting a practice in China or any other of the region's country
>has mental health problems which supposedly are Australia's fault

More likely the guy was either a con (wonder what other documents he didn't have) or a greedy idiot. I'm pretty sure one could find interesting stories about... the quality of degrees from China. Seriously, are there no more third world countries that would gladly employ even a shoddy, China trained doctor (which is not what western medical insurers want to deal with really)?
Seriously, do people think that they are owed a life in a rich western country just by virtue of existing?
FFS, some of the third world countries in the region even have oil revenues, so the pay for a doctor isn't too bad there.

and it's CNN

that's an automatic -50% credibility in my world

Western politicians are ultimately supposed to serve their electorate, not illegal immigrants and countries on other continents hired to deal with them.

instead, most of them serve their wallets or their billionaire masters

 

[ATP]

While this is true, they have made a fuck load of progress in the last century, and while I expect it to take a couple hundred years for things to shake out it is starting to happen.

Besides,all european states started like that.For example in Poland we have tribes in 966 when our prince becomed christian,and nation start forming about 1200,and only among gentry and priests.

 

[DarthOne]

How Did Poland Fix Its Borders?

@ATP Speaking of Poland...

 

[DarthOne]

 

[DarthOne]

Grooming Gangs vs Deportation

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Grooming Gangs vs Deportation

Lemme guess, the gangs are winning?

 

[DarthOne]

The myth of needing immigration to Britain to care for an ‘aging population’ is exploded

A report from the Alzheimer’s Society, due to be published this week, shows once and for all the madness of importing immigrants to care for old people in this country. These immigrants, many of them from South Asia and the Caribbean, are themselves now growing old and need more care than white British people.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2... Barnes, Lisa L.: Bennett, Davis A. (2014) Alzheimer’s Disease In African Americans: Risk Factors And Challenges For The Future, Health Affairs; VOL. 33, NO. 4, April 2014.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Sad events...
3 in custody after officials find 46 people dead in tractor-trailer in Texas
This is probably going to be swept under the rug too given how it doesn't fit any narrative or suit anyone's interest...

 

[DarthOne]

The human rights racket; why Britain cannot deport even the most loathsome and undesirable criminals

Attempts to deport the men behind one of the dreadful cases of abuse in the north of England have been frustrated, lest the human rights of Abdul Aziz, Adil Khan and Qari Rauf.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/phi...

 

[DarthOne]

Why Are They Hiding the Census Data?

 

[Captain X]

They really need to start taking action against these idiot bureaucrats and everyone else in their government who's behind this.

 

[WolfBear]

The human rights racket; why Britain cannot deport even the most loathsome and undesirable criminals

Here's a past Ilya Somin article about this topic:

The Case Against Deporting Immigrants Convicted of Crimes

Immigrants who commit crimes should be punished. But no more than others who commit the same offense.

reason.com

BTW, what are your guys' thoughts on Canada's merit-based immigration policy? FWIW, I myself wish that they also used IQ as a factor in their points system since someone could have lacked the opportunity to get a fancy education (due to poverty, for instance) but still have a high IQ and thus still have a lot of potential for being successful in Canada.

 

[DarthOne]

Islamism takes hold in England; 10% of the councillors elected in England in May are Muslim

Muslims are disproportionately represented in English local authorities since the elections in May this year. We look at the implications of the development.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2...
https://muslimnews.co.uk/assets/mnews...
https://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news...
https://www.towerhamlets.gov.uk/News_...