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Aldarion

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WolfBear

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Israel's Jewish TFR rise has just been incredible:


YearJewsMuslimsChristiansDruzeOthersTotal
20002.664.742.553.072.95
20012.594.712.463.022.89
20022.644.582.292.772.89
20032.734.502.312.852.95
20042.714.362.132.661.472.90
20052.694.032.152.591.492.84
20062.753.972.142.641.552.88
20072.803.902.132.491.492.90
20082.883.842.112.491.572.96
20092.903.732.152.491.562.96
20102.973.752.142.481.643.03
20112.983.512.192.331.753.00
20123.043.542.172.261.683.05
20133.053.352.132.211.683.03
20143.113.352.272.201.723.08
20153.133.322.122.191.723.09
20163.163.292.052.211.643.11
20173.163.371.932.101.583.11
20183.173.202.062.161.543.09
20193.093.161.802.021.453.01
20203.002.991.851.941.352.90
20213.133.011.772.001.393.00

Nationalists in the West who want white/European demographic recoveries should take notice!
 

TheRejectionist

TheRejectionist
Israel's Jewish TFR rise has just been incredible:


YearJewsMuslimsChristiansDruzeOthersTotal
20002.664.742.553.072.95
20012.594.712.463.022.89
20022.644.582.292.772.89
20032.734.502.312.852.95
20042.714.362.132.661.472.90
20052.694.032.152.591.492.84
20062.753.972.142.641.552.88
20072.803.902.132.491.492.90
20082.883.842.112.491.572.96
20092.903.732.152.491.562.96
20102.973.752.142.481.643.03
20112.983.512.192.331.753.00
20123.043.542.172.261.683.05
20133.053.352.132.211.683.03
20143.113.352.272.201.723.08
20153.133.322.122.191.723.09
20163.163.292.052.211.643.11
20173.163.371.932.101.583.11
20183.173.202.062.161.543.09
20193.093.161.802.021.453.01
20203.002.991.851.941.352.90
20213.133.011.772.001.393.00

Nationalists in the West who want white/European demographic recoveries should take notice!

@WolfBear Nationalconservative countries like Hungary, Poland are already having managing something like this, Denmark too as well.

The results are still LESS than desirable due a plan like this does/would take time.

Also, does this list include Aaliyah members too?

Because it is a bit too easy to have over 3.05 with Aaliyah... not to mention before the pandemic there was a trend of native Israelis TO LEAVE the Jewish state because even Berlin was/is cheaper than Tel Aviv.

I visited both capitals so I do know that the Germans have a less expensive economy.
 

Marduk

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Israel's Jewish TFR rise has just been incredible:


YearJewsMuslimsChristiansDruzeOthersTotal
20002.664.742.553.072.95
20012.594.712.463.022.89
20022.644.582.292.772.89
20032.734.502.312.852.95
20042.714.362.132.661.472.90
20052.694.032.152.591.492.84
20062.753.972.142.641.552.88
20072.803.902.132.491.492.90
20082.883.842.112.491.572.96
20092.903.732.152.491.562.96
20102.973.752.142.481.643.03
20112.983.512.192.331.753.00
20123.043.542.172.261.683.05
20133.053.352.132.211.683.03
20143.113.352.272.201.723.08
20153.133.322.122.191.723.09
20163.163.292.052.211.643.11
20173.163.371.932.101.583.11
20183.173.202.062.161.543.09
20193.093.161.802.021.453.01
20203.002.991.851.941.352.90
20213.133.011.772.001.393.00

Nationalists in the West who want white/European demographic recoveries should take notice!
Great, now do non-Haredim....
As their numbers increase, so does their political power, and that will have consequences, not necessarily good ones some notice.
The article states that their TFR is 7.1 and they are 20% of Jews, so math says that if they went down to 2.1, the Jew's average would be down to something around 2.1 too. Which still would be good, but the growth seems to be pretty much all Haredim.
@WolfBear Nationalconservative countries like Hungary, Poland are already having managing something like this, Denmark too as well.
Do they? They sure would want to though...

Immigration laws can sometimes be too cruel, such as in this specific woman's case.
Something doesn't add up there. If she has a US citizen husband, why does she need to go to Mexico to get a green card?
 
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Aldarion

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Great, now do non-Haredim....
As their numbers increase, so does their political power, and that will have consequences, not necessarily good ones some notice.
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/haredim-not-arabs-or-iran-are-the-biggest-threat-to-israel-opinion-672968 The article states that their TFR is 7.1 and they are 20% of Jews, so math says that if they went down to 2.1, the Jew's average would be down to something around 2.1 too. Which still would be good, but the growth seems to be pretty much all Haredim.

Their positive influence on Jewish demographics is frankly far more important than whatever other consequences their growth might have.
 

Marduk

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Their positive influence on Jewish demographics is frankly far more important than whatever other consequences their growth might have.
That goes into similar issues to immigration discussions - numbers alone do not mean they will just be a linear extension of the existing population and all its qualities.
Which is what this article points at. Haredim aren't like the people who made IDF and Israel's first world economy what they are, among many other things. They in fact actively avoid working in some vital sectors of Israel's economy, and their relationship with rather important military sector is not what one would expect from typical "based conservative demographic". Think hippies, but with religion instead of drugs, and very few of them ever growing out of it.
To maintain the insularity, most haredi high schoolers are sent to the community’s schools that teach little or no math, science and English; in recent days Israel’s chief rabbi, who is haredi, called such studies of secular subjects “nonsense.” Israel funds these schools even though their unfortunate graduates are essentially unemployable in a modern economy.

As a consequence less than half of haredi men are part of the workforce, the lowest participation level of any identifiable group in Israel – and, tellingly, far less than haredim in other countries. The minority who do work tend to populate a vast religious bureaucracy that includes supervisors of the mikvaot ritual baths, kashrut food certifications, and other apparatchiks.
 

Aldarion

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That goes into similar issues to immigration discussions - numbers alone do not mean they will just be a linear extension of the existing population and all its qualities.
Which is what this article points at. Haredim aren't like the people who made IDF and Israel's first world economy what they are, among many other things. They in fact actively avoid working in some vital sectors of Israel's economy, and their relationship with rather important military sector is not what one would expect from typical "based conservative demographic". Think hippies, but with religion instead of drugs, and very few of them ever growing out of it.

Personally, I would favour Europe returning to Middle Ages in all aspects if it would led to avoiding the demographic collapse.

@Marduk forgot to mention that many of them are literally exempt from the Army and many from taxation as well. "They study the Torah" so to speak.

That might be a problem, though.
 

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Personally, I would favour Europe returning to Middle Ages in all aspects if it would led to avoiding the demographic collapse.
That would be even remotely viable only in a total vacuum.
In reality, it would mean conquest by China or the islamic world.
Hell, Europe can afford to lose half to three quarters of population and be fine afterwards (EU reaching a population density similar to USA, and total number similar to Japan, the horror) and the economic consequences everyone scaremongers about in lobbying for immigration would not be nearly as bad as a return to Middle Ages.
 
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Aldarion

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That would be even remotely viable only in a total vacuum.
In reality, it would mean conquest by China or the islamic world.
Hell, Europe can afford to lose half to three quarters of population and be fine afterwards (EU reaching a population density similar to USA, and total number similar to Japan, the horror) and the economic consequences everyone scaremongers about in lobbying for immigration would not be nearly as bad as a return to Middle Ages.

True. Modern world basically consists of countries chasing each other into oblivion.

The problem with losing population is that... well, Europe is a collection of democratic countries. Modern social security system is simply unsustainable with an aging population and no immigration, yet majority of voters are people who already are or in near future will be profiting from said system. So to maintain the social security, we accept genocide instead.
 

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True. Modern world basically consists of countries chasing each other into oblivion.

The problem with losing population is that... well, Europe is a collection of democratic countries. Modern social security system is simply unsustainable with an aging population and no immigration, yet majority of voters are people who already are or in near future will be profiting from said system. So to maintain the social security, we accept genocide instead.
Then the answer is obvious. Modern social security systems are a sacrifice we should be willing to make, and build something smarter in their place. Ironically, the original social security system was made by Bismarck, with the explicit goal of slowing down population growth to speed up economic development instead.
>profiting
Not really... It's a pyramid scheme reliant on population and economic growth. The majority of voters will never profit from it as neither of these factors is looking good for the future.
 

King Arts

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That goes into similar issues to immigration discussions - numbers alone do not mean they will just be a linear extension of the existing population and all its qualities.
Which is what this article points at. Haredim aren't like the people who made IDF and Israel's first world economy what they are, among many other things. They in fact actively avoid working in some vital sectors of Israel's economy, and their relationship with rather important military sector is not what one would expect from typical "based conservative demographic". Think hippies, but with religion instead of drugs, and very few of them ever growing out of it.
No you don't understand what they do is very good for Israel, because if you have people who are faithful then God will bless the nation, remember how every time Israel was defeated in history was because they no longer obeyed God.

Personally, I would favour Europe returning to Middle Ages in all aspects if it would led to avoiding the demographic collapse.



That might be a problem, though.
True it is a problem because Christianity is the true religion so they aren't actually benefiting anyone.
 

Marduk

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No you don't understand what they do is very good for Israel, because if you have people who are faithful then God will bless the nation, remember how every time Israel was defeated in history was because they no longer obeyed God.
Yeah, sure, like Afghanistan was blessed with a famine for their based religious zealots finally taking over.
 

Aldarion

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Then the answer is obvious. Modern social security systems are a sacrifice we should be willing to make, and build something smarter in their place. Ironically, the original social security system was made by Bismarck, with the explicit goal of slowing down population growth to speed up economic development instead.
>profiting
Not really... It's a pyramid scheme reliant on population and economic growth. The majority of voters will never profit from it as neither of these factors is looking good for the future.

Huh, that Bismarck thing is new to me. Looks like Germany really was a source of many modern evils for a long time.
 

Marduk

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Huh, that Bismarck thing is new to me. Looks like Germany really was a source of many modern evils for a long time.
You might like this then, yes, the source is quite surprising to find something like this in.
Conclusions
Our paper provides a theoretical underpinning and an empirical confirmation of the
negative relationship between statutory old-age insurance and fertility. We thereby give
evidence on a well-known theoretical concept in public economics, the social security
hypothesis. At the same time, we employ a new historical data set to show that a
negative relationship between pensions and fertility can already be observed for late
nineteenth century Germany. More broadly, our analysis is a confirmation of the fact
that people react to institutional incentives.
And yes, Bismarck is the original inventor of modern style social security systems.
 

Aldarion

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I was not aware Lapland is in Nigeria...

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