DC Injustice Superman did nothing wrong

[KilroywasNOTHere]

That's just common sense.

I'd say that the Joker being alive is actually on the government. The lack of death penalty executions in DC is insane.

Its also incomparable in reality. Unlike our world, the world of DC has a large number of violent, sadistic, hyper-competent super powered mass murderers.

If our world had Joker equivalents running around, we'd have to execute them.

I'd even agree that superheroes shouldn't be killing villains. Its not their job, its the governments job.

to be fair, Joker wouldin't be able to cause the damage he would if not for the serialized nature of comics. if it wasn't for plot armor, People like joker wouldin't be an issue

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

to be fair, Joker wouldin't be able to cause the damage he would if not for the serialized nature of comics. if it wasn't for plot armor, People like joker wouldin't be an issue

He'd literally remain locked in his padded cell, rotting for the rest of his life...

Or maybe the Joker gets split from the man who became him and then you have a reason for him sticking around. He is no longer a man. If the Joker is now a tulpa, or a disembodied mind or something like that, he suddenly makes much more sense.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Actually, I think the Joker would long ago have been solved by an angry mom or dad with a gun. Bang, bullet to the head, Joker brains everywhere. Either that or mob hit.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Actually, I think the Joker would long ago have been solved by an angry mom or dad with a gun. Bang, bullet to the head, Joker brains everywhere. Either that or mob hit.

Joker being hit by the mob would've made sense in The Dark Knight.

Joker: Imma gonna burn this big ol pile o' money for vain ideological reasons!

Any Criminal: "No...." *Joker gets shot in the back of the head*

 

[King Arts]

Joker being hit by the mob would've made sense in The Dark Knight.

Joker: Imma gonna burn this big ol pile o' money for vain ideological reasons!

Any Criminal: "No...." *Joker gets shot in the back of the head*

It kinda depends joker has wiped out gangs and taken them over before. Also the money he burned was his own share he gave the Chechen guy half but Joker decided to burn his own half.

 

[Bassoe]

honestly, I think injustice would have been better if the roles were reversed. Like keep the beginning part the same you could even keep the whole Superman kill the Joker, but have it to where Batman feels guilty that Superman was the one that ended up having to kill the joker. How many times did Batman have the chance to kill the Joker but didn't.

Batman: "How many Clark?!? Barbara, Jason, Lois, how many lives did I destroy letting him live?!? Did you ever keep count?"

Superman: "Bruce I...No, I didn't."

Batman: "I did Clark!...I did."

In a way that would make things more ironic. Batman did the whole no killing rule for fear if he killed, he would be driven over the edge. But in the end, it was his no killing rule that drives him insane.

It's true. Superman or Superman analogues taking over the World or having no self imposed limitations has been done a lot.

Authority. Superman: Red Son. Hyperion. Kingdom Come. Squadron Supreme. Injustice of course. Etc...

Batman engaging in megalomania would actually be novel at this point.

Also if anyone would like to add their own thoughts regarding how things could fall out in Injustice Inverted they would be welcome. I've been reading Superman: Red Son (surprisingly good and lacking Mark Millar's more grotesque hang ups) and it gave me an idea for how President Wayne's story could end. This is a non serious, joke idea but one that I had to put into words.

The villains desperate to have an edge against the now global dictator Batman bring back via Lazurus Pit/Dark Magic the one man who consistanly played on the Dark Knights level. The Joker is resurrected. Bruce waits and worries and plans contingencies but there nothing. No murders with Joker Venom no threats or grand announcement.

Then one day he finds a note with some very familar hand writing on his desk. The note reads -

So happy you finally got the joke. I couldn't be more proud of you Bats.
- J

At which point Bruce resigns and vanishes along with Zatanna.

I'm a fan of resurrecting the Joker as a godzilla threshold event, but I'd recommend his approval being the final straw for Bruce's sanity. Instead of realizing what he's became and retiring, he goes completely berserk at the heroes/resistance.

Actually, I think the Joker would long ago have been solved by an angry mom or dad with a gun. Bang, bullet to the head, Joker brains everywhere. Either that or mob hit.

Yeah, I could see Death Of The Joker as a comic event. It starts with the clown being found dead, perpetrator unknown. By and by large Gotham citizens don't care if it was Batman finally snapping, Jim Gordon taking revenge for his daughter, some random cop, the revenge of a relative of one of the Joker's many victims, Jason Todd, Poison Ivy trying to monopolize Harley Quinn's affections, a mob hit, another supervillain, a random concealed carry shooter who isn't revealing themselves because they fear Gotham's selectively incompetent justice system and/or Harley Quinn's revenge, etc, just that their city's statistical chances of clown-related violent death dropped ninety percent.

Batman, on the other hand, cares very much and will crack the case. Even when it turns out the perpetrator is unexpectedly close.

 

[Typhonis]

That's just common sense.

I'd say that the Joker being alive is actually on the government. The lack of death penalty executions in DC is insane.

Its also incomparable in reality. Unlike our world, the world of DC has a large number of violent, sadistic, hyper-competent super powered mass murderers.

If our world had Joker equivalents running around, we'd have to execute them.

I'd even agree that superheroes shouldn't be killing villains. Its not their job, its the governments job.

Sniper from half a mile away. Batman has no clue a government wetwork team is gunning for the clown. They do the job then fade away. Just another Gotham statistic. Or if his base is propane powered... well gas leaks happed, Boom.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

We are getting off topic here...that being said Joker reasonably should have died long before superman got to him with the amount of people he pisses off and the fact that unlike Batman he wears no protective gear against bullets or has no ninja stealth training to avoid getting shot in the first place.

Joker is ultimately a worse plot driven character than Batman because unlike him he has no training, resources, or intelligence to excuse it.

The worse case I could think of this is in the Batman Beyond movie where via genetics technology he reincarnates himself into a individual without any reasons given as to how he gained the knowledge to do so.

 

[ParadiseLost]

We are getting off topic here...that being said Joker reasonably should have died long before superman got to him with the amount of people he pisses off and the fact that unlike Batman he wears no protective gear against bullets or has no stealth training to avoid gettin shot in the first place.

Joker is a worse plot driven character than Batman because unlike him he has no training, resources, or intelligence to excuse it.

Worse case I could think of this is in the Batman Bayond movie where via genetics technology he reincarnates himself into a individual without any reasons given as to how he gained the knowledge to do so.

That's the thing: Joker has to be an incredibly supergenius the likes of Batman, with some sort of supernatural backing as well.

It's the only thing that explains how long he's lasted.

 

[bintananth]

That's the thing: Joker has to be an incredibly supergenius the likes of Batman, with some sort of supernatural backing as well.

It's the only thing that explains how long he's lasted.

The Joker has "Plot Armor" which can't be breached without editorial permission.

 

[ParadiseLost]

The Joker has "Plot Armor" which can't be breached without editorial permission.

I was taking a Watsonian rather than Doylist view.

 

[bintananth]

I was taking a Watsonian rather than Doylist view.

There isn't much of if any rational Watsonian explanation for Joker's continued survival.

 

[Simonbob]

I keep coming back to silly ideas.

1) Superman kills the Joker, and declares he now rules the World! Then, has to build a govenment, and deal with current Polis/generals, etc. That's what what drove him mad!

2) The Joker steals a nuke, and tries to set it off, with a General as hostage/intel source. Meanwhile, Superman is hunting him! But. you know, Supes is better at the Face Punching than that whole Invesigating part.

Then, the Joker manages to set off the Nuke! There's a flash- That the Joker, Km's away, can barely see, and nothing's blown up.

"What the Hell was that? I was promised an earthshattering Kaboom!" Joker turns to General.
"Why does this city exist?!"

The General looks back, stone faced.
"Budget cuts."

"Budget cuts? Budget cuts? Where the Hell did the money go?"

General, still stone faced, thinks for a moment

(Inside General's head, memory of golf buggy, urban camo, with a mounted machinegun maned by trooper, as they cruse drunkenly accross the golf course.)

"No idea."

 

[LindyAF]

It's the only thing that explains how long he's lasted.

Eh, I mean there are and have been fairly long lasting major criminals with a great number of crimes under they're belt. There have certainly been places and times when for certain people being arrested and going to jail was pretty much the revolving door process we see in the comics.

The thing is that it's not the norm in America - but DC universe America might be (and actually almost certainly is) more openly corrupt and third world.

The other thing is that the criminal in question is typically extremely wealthy, connected, or both. Mafia kingpins and narcos are the sort of person who could in places expect to be greeted in prison with a five star accommodations and a four course meal and to be out by the weekend, not a serial killer.

Edit: Was going to say "Joker is somewhere between those two, but the Jokers who are killed by a hero are typically leaning toward the serial killer end" but it occurred to me that there's actually a better example on the other end of the spectrum, a terrorist. There are a number of terrorists who were freed in the US for political reasons (for instance, Oscar Lopez Rivera who was part of a Puerto Rican terrorist group that carried out a bombing campaign in the US had his sentence commuted by Obama in 2016. The rest of the group had had their sentences commuted by Clinton in 2000), and there are probably some Middle Eastern countries where high ranking members of certain Islamist terrorist organizations might enjoy revolving door prison treatment.

Hmmm... so here's an interesting thought I had as to a potential "explanation" for Joker's immunity to death row and even staying in prison. Let's say that Joker occasionally takes clients for who he pulls his, ah, gags on. And one of those clients is the US government, who asks him to do certain things that they can't be seen doing. And then every time it comes time to prosecute Joker... well certain people make certain calls and somehow it never quite works out.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

To get back on track concerning Superman the movie is just a b*stardized version of the comics and their are several deviations that people who don't read them wouldn't know about that make superman come across as way worsec than the film portrays as he is toned down considerably for the big screen.

For instance Superman killing Green Arrow seems more justified in the film because Pa Kent gets the deflected arrow and dies, in the comics though it merely bounced into his shoulder and didn't kill him at all and Superman still quite brutally murders Green Arrow for it even though it was an obvious accident.