Is it Not Possible to believe in Covid conspiracies without thinking the moon is made out of Cheese?!?

[KilroywasNOTHere]

It seems like conspiracy theories are an all or nothing package deal. If you believe Covid is exaggerated, well then you must believe the earth is flat, the moon landing was faked and 9/11 was an inside job, something something rapture something something thousand year reign *insert sentences shouted in tongues here!!!!!*

I wish I was over exaggerating things, but i''m not. All I think ALL I think is that the media and politicians were using this to get back at trump, and yet when I talk to others about it (Specifically youtube and bitchute,) I have to be ready for a lecture on Agenda 21 and the Rapture. I don't belive in the flat earth and I don't know enough about agenda 21 to make a comment, and what little I've heard has essentially been wrapped up in (My opinion) new age evangelical myth.

Can someone help me out here? is the world going crazy, or am I?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Nonsense, the moon isn’t made out of cheese, its hollow and our earth isn’t flat it’s hollow and deep inside has underground civilizations complete with its own “sun” and ecosystem

 

[LordsFire]

Hastur, it's just the same character assassination tricks all over again. The current political mandate of the left requires that Covid be an existential threat, and that how bad it is is Trump's fault. If you disagree, you're a conspiracy theorist.

That's all there is to it.

 

[Bigking321]

Also, antifa doesn't really exist apparently...

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Also, antifa doesn't really exist apparently...

Or BLM or SJWs or Far Left Cliques

And Blue States don’t have Democrat majority populations and leaderships

And Hollywood and Media and Academia are openly bigoted against non-CisWhite Heterosexual Males and are populated entirey by Republicans

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Hastur, it's just the same character assassination tricks all over again. The current political mandate of the left requires that Covid be an existential threat, and that how bad it is is Trump's fault. If you disagree, you're a conspiracy theorist.

That's all there is to it.

doesn't help that people seem to fall right in line of the trap. I'm not even convinced it's a side thing anymore. Left or right, useful idiots are useful idiots.

on a side note, this song feels fitting.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Hastur, it's just the same character assassination tricks all over again. The current political mandate of the left requires that Covid be an existential threat, and that how bad it is is Trump's fault. If you disagree, you're a conspiracy theorist.

That's all there is to it.

To be fair Trump refusing to wear a mask in public until fairly recently hasn't helped his image recently, if you want to believe in a conspiracy theory that Covid-19 is released by the Chinese that's one thing, but if you believe it doesn't exist that's another.

My point is that if someone want's to deny Covid's existence (I have met someone who insist it is.) fine, but they should at least wear a mask, use hand sanitizer and stand a small distance away form other's all the same, because they could be wrong and because it cost them virtually nothing to do so, shows public awareness and these anti-mask types make us look bad.

 

[Rocinante]

To be fair Trump refusing to wear a mask in public until fairly recently hasn't helped his image recently, if you want to believe in a conspiracy theory that Covid-19 is released by the Chinese that's one thing, but if you believe it doesn't exist that's another.

My point is that if someone want's to deny Covid's existence (I have met someone who insist it is.) fine, but they should at least wear a mask, use hand sanitizer and stand a small distance away form other's all the same, because they could be wrong and because it cost them virtually nothing to do so, shows public awareness and these anti-mask types make us look bad.

The people denying it's existence are stupid.

I think OP is mostly talking from a perspective of the media having overblown it, rather than outright denial.

I think it's a reasonable concern. There are lots of things that can, and probably did inflate the numbers. Outside of media talking about it a lot, I don't think it was some kind of attack on Trump, though.

Some contributing factors:
False positives in tests, while testing is extremely extensive and wide spread.

Wide spread testing. This in general will reveal more cases and make us look worse than areas with lower testing.

Misreporting. People were able to be reported as covid patients, without a positive test result. This is during a time where hospitals, which are for profit, were banned from their main profit drivers (elective surgery,) while being offered payouts for covid cases. You might be thinking to yourself "oh these are hospitals, they wouldn't dare commit fraud," but these are for profit businesses that can pull shady backroom bullshit just like any other industry. I work for one, and I've been in board meetings. I'm not saying I have direct evidence of THIS, but I've seen enough to not count it out.

So is covid real? Yes. Is it serious? Yes. Is it as bad as the anti Trump media is making it? Probably not.

Wear your masks, wash your hands, try to keep a distance from people. Be responsible and take precautions. Those are all sensible things to do. However, there are factors that show these numbers could be inflated, and seeing as every state did lockdowns and followed similar plans, I don't see how you can really blame Trump for the high numbers. State governments did this. You could blame the governors, perhaps? Though what difference would it have made if the shutdown orders came from the president, rather than the governors? The same orders would have the same results. The virus doesn't care who gave the orders.

 

[LordsFire]

To be fair Trump refusing to wear a mask in public until fairly recently hasn't helped his image recently, if you want to believe in a conspiracy theory that Covid-19 is released by the Chinese that's one thing, but if you believe it doesn't exist that's another.

My point is that if someone want's to deny Covid's existence (I have met someone who insist it is.) fine, but they should at least wear a mask, use hand sanitizer and stand a small distance away form other's all the same, because they could be wrong and because it cost them virtually nothing to do so, shows public awareness and these anti-mask types make us look bad.

If I had any evidence that masks, short of the actual N95 masks, actually have a positive effect, I might agree with you. Instead, I'm irritated that he caved to the cultural mania around masks.

 

[Senor Hortler]

If I had any evidence that masks, short of the actual N95 masks, actually have a positive effect, I might agree with you. Instead, I'm irritated that he caved to the cultural mania around masks.

At least parts of America are free to choose; the UK has a mandatory mask rule going on (except if you're at work) for shops. It's a fine if the police 'catch you' without a 20p paper mask doing fuck all on your mug. They notably aren't wearing the fucking things though!

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

It seems like conspiracy theories are an all or nothing package deal. If you believe Covid is exaggerated, well then you must believe the earth is flat, the moon landing was faked and 9/11 was an inside job, something something rapture something something thousand year reign *insert sentences shouted in tongues here!!!!!*

I wish I was over exaggerating things, but i''m not. All I think ALL I think is that the media and politicians were using this to get back at trump, and yet when I talk to others about it (Specifically youtube and bitchute,) I have to be ready for a lecture on Agenda 21 and the Rapture. I don't belive in the flat earth and I don't know enough about agenda 21 to make a comment, and what little I've heard has essentially been wrapped up in (My opinion) new age evangelical myth.

Can someone help me out here? is the world going crazy, or am I?

What the fuck is wrong with the thread title?

 

[Rocinante]

What the fuck is wrong with the thread title?

I had just, in my head, auto filled the word "possible" after "not" and it makes sense

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

What the fuck is wrong with the thread title?

Google auto correct it seems. Should be fixed.

Nevermind turns out I have the habit of skipping words for some reason.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

If I had any evidence that masks, short of the actual N95 masks, actually have a positive effect, I might agree with you. Instead, I'm irritated that he caved to the cultural mania around masks.

That may be true, but still, if it cost you virtually nothing to take a precaution you should do so, regardless of if you are sure of it's authenticity or not, as we should all should take step's to help our fellow man.

In the President's case though, he should be doing so to make a good example as all civic leaders should if anything, mask wearing may be caving to social pressure, but in this case it isn't a bad one, as it's not like we are being asked to sell our souls to the devil here, only to take every precaution (And small ones at that) to prevent the spread of a highly contagious disease.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

That may be true, but still, if it cost you virtually nothing to take a precaution you should do so, regardless of if you are sure of it's authenticity or not, as we should all should take step's to help our fellow man.

In the President's case though, he should be doing so to make a good example as all civic leaders should if anything, mask wearing may be caving to social pressure, but in this case it isn't a bad one, as it's not like we are being asked to sell our souls to the devil here, only to take every precaution (And small ones at that) to prevent the spread of a highly contagious disease.

try wearing these thing constantly in 90-100 degree for ant length of time I will almost guarantee you'll change your tune.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

try wearing these thing constantly in 90-100 degree for ant length of time I will almost guarantee you'll change your tune.

I live In the American South and at work I wear a long sleeved cotton t-shirt in the exact same temperature as you are describing with a leather coat over that, while wearing leather gloves on my hands and welding hood on my head, using a welder that outputs a 10,000-15,000 degree arc in front of my face.

Now, please go on, explain to me how I don't know what hot means?

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I live In the American South and at work I wear a long sleeved cotton t-shirt in the exact same temperature as you are describing with a leather coat over that, while wearing leather gloves on my hands and welding hood on my head, using a welder that outputs a 10,000-15,000 degree arc in front of my face.

Now, please go on, explain to me how I don't know what hot means?

fair enough.

 

[Typhonis]

I expect there to be a conspiracy posited that someone used the riots...I mean 'peaceful protests' as a way to ensure Covid19 was spread out even farther.

 

[Rocinante]

I expect there to be a conspiracy posited that someone used the riots...I mean 'peaceful protests' as a way to ensure Covid19 was spread out even farther.

Well the lefty position is that these demonstrations caused people to stay at home and actually reduced the spread of the virus.

 

[LordsFire]

That may be true, but still, if it cost you virtually nothing to take a precaution you should do so, regardless of if you are sure of it's authenticity or not, as we should all should take step's to help our fellow man.

In the President's case though, he should be doing so to make a good example as all civic leaders should if anything, mask wearing may be caving to social pressure, but in this case it isn't a bad one, as it's not like we are being asked to sell our souls to the devil here, only to take every precaution (And small ones at that) to prevent the spread of a highly contagious disease.

The problem is, evidence suggests that masks are actually counter-productive, because unless you basically wash them with bleach after each use, you're just stockpiling germs on a moist piece of cloth for you to later push out into the air by exhaling through.

And this is before you get into government over-reach on the issue and social consequences.