Israel versus Palestine: 2021 Edition

PsihoKekec

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You know, that makes me think, has anyone looked to see if NK money or material might be going into Gaza?
No and yes. NK is cash strapped and can't afford to support terrorists around the world, it is however willing to sell weapons and gear to anyone who pays cash, so some NK weapons did show up in Gaza, either courtesy of Gulf kingdoms or Iran.
 
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Aaron Fox

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I would take anything from FOX News and friends with three lake-draining mines of salt at the minimum, given their track record of basically making opinion fact and fact opinion (alongside numerous edits to make things fit their 'interpretation' of events).
 

Husky_Khan

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Peace in the Middle East Achieved!



Good thing too... looks like that Palestinian blonde was packing some extra stock in the rear.
 

GoldRanger

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And now Yahya Sinwar, Hamas' military leader, admits in his speech (if you ignore all the bravado about how Israel is weak and how Hamas is strong and undamaged) that the ceasefire was unconditional.

The Hamas leader stressed that the ceasefire with Israel is unconditional and that no agreement had been signed by either side.


There goes HistoryLearner's final hope that maybe Hamas, that went to war with the explicit goal of "protecting Jerusalem", won after all.

Also there's a hilarious offer of a Hudna (long term armistice) of 4-5 years provided Israel removes the blockade, removes all settlements, retreats to 1967 lines and allows the Right of Return. And all that for a 4-5 year hudna.

This joker must think that he reduced Israel to its knees!

Any chance some debris from Israeli bombing clipped his head or something?

If HistoryLearner and his like primarily rely on Hamas itself when they assess the situation, no wonder they think Hamas won!
 
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Bear Ribs

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I wonder if Hamas could be exported to some other country. If they've managed to build 500km of tunnels they must be pretty good at it, surely somebody could use the infrastructure? Maybe China could use them for their silk road project building tunnels. I know China doesn't get nearly the hate Israel does from SBers or the likes of Historylearner so that must logically mean they treat their Muslim population better, right?
 

Circle of Willis

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Speaking of Egypt, isn't Hamas literally the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood? I remember reading articles back in the day that Egypt started relaxing their side of the Gaza blockade when the MB took power there as part of the Arab Spring, but that they started tightening the blockade & cracking down on tunnels again after Al-Sisi took control, and that Hamas at least initially had good relations with some of the Sinai militants fighting the Egyptian government. Would also explain why Qatar is one of their most generous and consistent donors, considering Qatar seems to be one of the most significant pillars supporting MB efforts across the Middle East in general over the past decade.
 

Zachowon

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Given the data I've seen? You're better off going by your gut than watching FOX News, even MSNBC is better than FOX in the truth department, which tells you something.
Eh, unless it is about US politics
 

Zachowon

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Actually, even in US politics FOX News and friends are at the bottom of the pile. Something that most people here like to ignore for their own biases.
Eh, only when focusing on republicans, when they call out Dems they are usually pretty accurate. CNN, etc usually misinterpret what is said by the right. To make their side seem better. Cnn and friends are also the ones who said the riots were most peaceful
 

Aaron Fox

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Eh, only when focusing on republicans, when they call out Dems they are usually pretty accurate. CNN, etc usually misinterpret what is said by the right. To make their side seem better. Cnn and friends are also the ones who said the riots were most peaceful
Not really, but then again FOX and friends were created to ensure that sort of mentality would happen, but we're getting off-topic.
 

Aaron Fox

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We are getting off topic. I am sorry
It happens, especially when you're dealing with biases getting in the way. I should know, I used to think that FOX News was good until my gut basically kept punching me in the face for the fact that they're various levels of wrong. Then again, this was about the same time that the GOP left me, so to speak.
 

Bear Ribs

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So here's an interesting tidbit Galorian brought up in SB that bears repeating.

Iron Dome actually has a minimum range within which it can't intercept mortar fire. From the 1967 borders, Hamas would be able to shell Jerusalem, several other major population centers, and Israel's main airport; and Iron Dome would provide zero defense for those. Further, these mortars can be truck-mounted and thus highly mobile, as opposed to the heavier, longer-ranged rockets they have to use now that require significant setup and are vulnerable to counter-strikes even if Israel sends a 1-hour warning to give civilians time to evacuate.

And looking at the timelines, it appears that Hamas began talking about how they'd totes accept the 1967 borders after this became apparent.
 

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