Media/Journalism Cringe Megathread - Hot off the Presses

[The Original Sixth]

Whatever it is, he's not wrong.

He is wrong.

The Dems want full control of the nation, in perpetuity, and want the GOP to only exist as controlled opposition (and on pretty much everything but guns and abortion, it is).

That's what any party wants. It's also untrue. The Democrats are currently, the opposition party and have been for decades.

They are closer than ever to achieving this, thanks to the stolen election and cowards like McConnell and Romney.

And yet, they aren't behaving as if they run the system. Because if they were, then they'd double down on policies that the SJWs, globalists, and socialists want. Instead, what we're seeing is that the Biden administration is staying the course on Trump's economic and military policies. I'm not saying there isn't any differences--there is, but the Democrats are not the same party that they were four years ago. This election broke them and now they're trying to find a new way to operate.

 

[Bacle]

That's what any party wants. It's also untrue. The Democrats are currently, the opposition party and have been for decades.

...I do not know how you can think the Dems are still the 'opposition party'; they haven't been since the Clinton's were there.

And yet, they aren't behaving as if they run the system. Because if they were, then they'd double down on policies that the SJWs, globalists, and socialists want. Instead, what we're seeing is that the Biden administration is staying the course on Trump's economic and military policies. I'm not saying there isn't any differences--there is, but the Democrats are not the same party that they were four years ago. This election broke them and now they're trying to find a new way to operate.

...personal family expereince with a hard D household says otherwise, and I've been around a lot of of even more left leaning independents who aren't far off that.

I mean shit I one point I saw things that way, before Trump and conservative friends help take off blinders I didn't know I had.

 

[Terthna]

He is wrong.

In your opinion, he's wrong.

That's what any party wants. It's also untrue. The Democrats are currently, the opposition party and have been for decades.

Well yeah; they've been acting like they're the opposition for decades, but in reality? They control academics, they control the media; they control pretty much every institution in this country. By any reasonable metric, they're the establishment.

And yet, they aren't behaving as if they run the system. Because if they were, then they'd double down on policies that the SJWs, globalists, and socialists want. Instead, what we're seeing is that the Biden administration is staying the course on Trump's economic and military policies. I'm not saying there isn't any differences--there is, but the Democrats are not the same party that they were four years ago. This election broke them and now they're trying to find a new way to operate.

But they are doubling down on policies those groups want; just not everything they want, as they're often mutually exclusive. As for the Biden administration staying the course on Trump's economic and military policies; I have little doubt that they'll abandon them eventually. They're just rather busy with other things at the moment; like punishing dissidents, keeping the truth about the 2020 election fraud suppressed, and figuring out how they can keep using the pandemic to enact more "temporary" restrictions on our rights and freedoms.

 

[The Original Sixth]

...I do not know how you can think the Dems are still the 'opposition party'; they haven't been since the Clinton's were there.

They have been. At best, you can argue that they're on equal terms with the Republicans. First we had Clinton, then Bush, then Obama, then Trump, and now Biden. What part of that suggests to you that the Democrats have a complete lock on the system? More to the point, they are rarely able to exercise power when they get it, because of constant infighting. The best they can hope for is a Democratic president who pushes the limits of his office.

...personal family expereince with a hard D household says otherwise, and I've been around a lot of of even more left leaning independents who aren't far off that.

I mean shit I one point I saw things that way, before Trump and conservative friends help take off blinders I didn't know I had.

And do you imagine that your family is wholly representative of the Democratic leadership? The party leadership is looking to shift towards a more moderate (but still liberal) policy.

 

[The Original Sixth]

In your opinion, he's wrong.

Yeah, that's why in 2016 & 2017, the Democrats were eagerly supporting SJWs and in 2020, they're being isolated and not only don't hold more positions of power and authority, but less.

Because that's what people do when they're your friends; they stop inviting you to the party.

Well yeah; they've been acting like they're the opposition for decades, but in reality? They control academics, they control the media; they control pretty much every institution in this country. By any reasonable metric, they're the establishment.

No, technocrats control all those things. And they are majority liberal. But they don't control politics, because that relies on voting, which they cannot outright control. Therefore, even though technocrats and therefore liberals have a great deal of control over institutions (most, anyway), they are still an opposition party. Especially because not all of those technocrats agree, very much because they are all experts in specific fields that sometimes compete with each other.

But they are doubling down on policies those groups want; just not everything they want, as they're often mutually exclusive. As for the Biden administration staying the course on Trump's economic and military policies; I have little doubt that they'll abandon them eventually. They're just rather busy with other things at the moment; like punishing dissidents, keeping the truth about the 2020 election fraud suppressed, and figuring out how they can keep using the pandemic to enact more "temporary" restrictions on our rights and freedoms.

So, Biden's administration considering a boycott with the Chinese over the Olympic Games is just them running off Trump's inertia? Suing Canada, Mexico, and China over trade is just inertia? Military positioning against China in the South China Sea is just inertia? The Iranian negotiations--to where the Iranians are resorting to literal piracy to try and carve out a better deal, is them folding on the position? Or the withdrawal from the Middle East?

That all doesn't happen automatically. Biden has to literally sign off on those. Biden is not an SJW or a hardcore socialist. He's more moderate. And right now, he's looking to expand the Democrats into more moderate voting blocs, because the Democrats can't keep the SJWs on a tight enough leash. The rioting backfired on them.

Domestic issues like pandemic restrictions aside, there is very little change from the Trump administration.

 

[Bacle]

They have been. At best, you can argue that they're on equal terms with the Republicans. First we had Clinton, then Bush, then Obama, then Trump, and now Biden. What part of that suggests to you that the Democrats have a complete lock on the system? More to the point, they are rarely able to exercise power when they get it, because of constant infighting. The best they can hope for is a Democratic president who pushes the limits of his office.

That used to be true; now they got Trump and his supporters as their uniting bogeyman after Jan 6th.

Just look at the bullshit the DoJ is pulling with regard to some of the people they arrested. Even if some of them got convicted of something, some have sentences which would only be 8 months, and they've already been in jail several months, while the gov stalls discovery, saying they may need till next year just to 'sift through and compile evidence'.

And do you imagine that your family is wholly representative of the Democratic leadership? The party leadership is looking to shift towards a more moderate (but still liberal) policy.

What remains of my family now is probably to the right of the Leftist youth in the party, but still hard Left by this places (and most reasonable) standards.

But they would have little problem if the GOP and the Right never had meaningful power again, because they do not truly grasp the Dems endgame, or they retired and just don't care because they are insulated from most of the worst effects.

 

[The Original Sixth]

That used to be true; now they got Trump and his supporters as their uniting bogeyman after Jan 6th.

Are you tone deaf? The Democrats have been using Trump and his supporters as political bodeymen since 2016. They worked on that angle for four years. Now they don't have it anymore. Persecuting a few dipshits dumb enough to storm the capital doesn't earn the Democrats brownie points, save within their own party. For the rest of the country, this is pretty much a closed case.

The difficulty that the Democrats are addressing now is that they aren't entirely sure what to do next. They've realized that they can't keep appealing to SJWs/commies, because that doesn't work. And they know it doesn't work. That's why AOC and her crew have been politically isolated from the rest of the party. Instead, the Democrats are trying to make inroads with the business voters by presenting themselves as the party of stability.

Just look at the bullshit the DoJ is pulling with regard to some of the people they arrested. Even if some of them got convicted of something, some have sentences which would only be 8 months, and they've already been in jail several months, while the gov stalls discovery, saying they may need till next year just to 'sift through and compile evidence'.

You can't do the time, don't do the crime. If someone is dumb enough to enter the capital building during a full blown riot and they have to sit in jail for the next six to twelve months, that's their problem. Maybe don't get involved with terrorists or follow cult movements like Q&A. Is the Democrat controlled DoJ prosecuting them maliciously and for political gain? Of course they are. You're a fool if you expected anything less.

What remains of my family now is probably to the right of the Leftist youth in the party, but still hard Left by this places (and most reasonable) standards.

But they would have little problem if the GOP and the Right never had meaningful power again, because they do not truly grasp the Dems endgame, or they retired and just don't care because they are insulated from most of the worst effects.

You are behaving as if the social unrest within the United States is the new normal. It isn't. It is a period of transition between the two. There is no point in identifying yourself as Republican or Democrat, because the party voting blocs are in motion and they won't settle down for another 5-6 years by most guesses. The Biden era of Democratic policy could end with his presidency. We don't fully know or understand the American public's response to the previous election fiasco until we see the next one in 2022. The best you can do is take polls and most of America is focused on enjoying not being in lockdown.

The world itself is about to change. Four years ago, only the Republicans had strong objections to China that the Democrats referred to as racist. Today, Biden--a Democratic President, is suing China, has trade barriers against China, and is contemplating boycotting the Olympic Games in China next year. That happened in JUST FOUR YEARS. Stop assuming that things are going to be the same when wars erupt across the planet as Americans continue to withdraw from the global order.

 

[Zachowon]

Yeah, that's why in 2016 & 2017, the Democrats were eagerly supporting SJWs and in 2020, they're being isolated and not only don't hold more positions of power and authority, but less.

Because that's what people do when they're your friends; they stop inviting you to the party.




No, technocrats control all those things. And they are majority liberal. But they don't control politics, because that relies on voting, which they cannot outright control. Therefore, even though technocrats and therefore liberals have a great deal of control over institutions (most, anyway), they are still an opposition party. Especially because not all of those technocrats agree, very much because they are all experts in specific fields that sometimes compete with each other.



So, Biden's administration considering a boycott with the Chinese over the Olympic Games is just them running off Trump's inertia? Suing Canada, Mexico, and China over trade is just inertia? Military positioning against China in the South China Sea is just inertia? The Iranian negotiations--to where the Iranians are resorting to literal piracy to try and carve out a better deal, is them folding on the position? Or the withdrawal from the Middle East?

That all doesn't happen automatically. Biden has to literally sign off on those. Biden is not an SJW or a hardcore socialist. He's more moderate. And right now, he's looking to expand the Democrats into more moderate voting blocs, because the Democrats can't keep the SJWs on a tight enough leash. The rioting backfired on them.

Domestic issues like pandemic restrictions aside, there is very little change from the Trump administration.

Are you tone deaf? The Democrats have been using Trump and his supporters as political bodeymen since 2016. They worked on that angle for four years. Now they don't have it anymore. Persecuting a few dipshits dumb enough to storm the capital doesn't earn the Democrats brownie points, save within their own party. For the rest of the country, this is pretty much a closed case.

The difficulty that the Democrats are addressing now is that they aren't entirely sure what to do next. They've realized that they can't keep appealing to SJWs/commies, because that doesn't work. And they know it doesn't work. That's why AOC and her crew have been politically isolated from the rest of the party. Instead, the Democrats are trying to make inroads with the business voters by presenting themselves as the party of stability.



You can't do the time, don't do the crime. If someone is dumb enough to enter the capital building during a full blown riot and they have to sit in jail for the next six to twelve months, that's their problem. Maybe don't get involved with terrorists or follow cult movements like Q&A. Is the Democrat controlled DoJ prosecuting them maliciously and for political gain? Of course they are. You're a fool if you expected anything less.



You are behaving as if the social unrest within the United States is the new normal. It isn't. It is a period of transition between the two. There is no point in identifying yourself as Republican or Democrat, because the party voting blocs are in motion and they won't settle down for another 5-6 years by most guesses. The Biden era of Democratic policy could end with his presidency. We don't fully know or understand the American public's response to the previous election fiasco until we see the next one in 2022. The best you can do is take polls and most of America is focused on enjoying not being in lockdown.

The world itself is about to change. Four years ago, only the Republicans had strong objections to China that the Democrats referred to as racist. Today, Biden--a Democratic President, is suing China, has trade barriers against China, and is contemplating boycotting the Olympic Games in China next year. That happened in JUST FOUR YEARS. Stop assuming that things are going to be the same when wars erupt across the planet as Americans continue to withdraw from the global order.

A couple things,
1. The democrats are basically trying to use the Jan 6th to paint all trump supporters as domestic terrorists, and use Social media giants and other means (The Jan 6th committee) to find and root out "Extremist" and "Domestic terrorists." They are definitely using this whole thing to consolidate power.

2. Biden gave China access to the US Power Infrastructure. Put as the head PR to the NSA is someone who worked for a Chinese Spy school (Cant remember the exact name of it.) His DoJ dropped charges on some Chinese that lied about working for China, and had been involved in military tech. I cant remember EXACTLY what it was on that one.

3. His admin has pushed SJW/Woke bullshit into multiple branches of the Armed Services, has hired someone in the Pentagon to weed out Extrmism in the ranks. Has allowed some of the biggest defence contracting companies send their leaders to go attend CRT training.....

I do agree that he has had the military stay course in focusing on China and RUssia. As well as pushing through with the Arms deals with Taiwan and so far seem to be willing to defend Taiwan if invaded.

 

[The Original Sixth]

A couple things,
1. The democrats are basically trying to use the Jan 6th to paint all trump supporters as domestic terrorists, and use Social media giants and other means (The Jan 6th committee) to find and root out "Extremist" and "Domestic terrorists." They are definitely using this whole thing to consolidate power.

No, I imagine that the zealots in the Democratic Party BELIEVE that all Trump supporters are possible domestic terrorists and they're helping to institute a policy that addresses that. And the Jan 6th riot gave them plenty of ammunition to carry that forward. If that riot hadn't happened, they'd have absolutely no ammunition, because everyone would remember the BLM riots. So fair or not, the Republican party stepped into that with Trump's own assistance.

2. Biden gave China access to the US Power Infrastructure. Put as the head PR to the NSA is someone who worked for a Chinese Spy school (Cant remember the exact name of it.) His DoJ dropped charges on some Chinese that lied about working for China, and had been involved in military tech. I cant remember EXACTLY what it was on that one.

Can you be more specific on that. Because as far as I heard, he suspended the order, pending a 90 day review. That was a while ago though, so the time may have been up. Do you have any recent information on that? And as we saw with Russia, it doesn't require built-in backdoors to get into the US electrical grid. Probably because US cybersecurity in those sectors are known to be bad. As in literal default passwords and security settings. As for the DoJ, the DoJ does a lot of stupid shit, no matter whose President. I'm more concerned with broadstrokes than I am individuals getting off.

3. His admin has pushed SJW/Woke bullshit into multiple branches of the Armed Services, has hired someone in the Pentagon to weed out Extrmism in the ranks. Has allowed some of the biggest defence contracting companies send their leaders to go attend CRT training.....

What, you think after a riot that challenged the Presidency, the Democrats aren't going to be paranoid about the Republican-heavy Military deciding they might not want to follow orders? Again, this is a direct result of the Jan 6th riot. Where that not to have happened, the Democrats would have had no ammunition. I don't know who instituted SJW/Woke training, but maybe you can be more specific?

I do agree that he has had the military stay course in focusing on China and RUssia. As well as pushing through with the Arms deals with Taiwan and so far seem to be willing to defend Taiwan if invaded.

He seems to be preparing to boycott the Olympic games. That's an actual escalation on the part of the Biden Administration.

 

[Zachowon]

No, I imagine that the zealots in the Democratic Party BELIEVE that all Trump supporters are possible domestic terrorists and they're helping to institute a policy that addresses that. And the Jan 6th riot gave them plenty of ammunition to carry that forward. If that riot hadn't happened, they'd have absolutely no ammunition, because everyone would remember the BLM riots. So fair or not, the Republican party stepped into that with Trump's own assistance.

I gotcha, I was just putting forth it is worse off then you seemed to be making it. Jan 6th (Be it a 'false flag'/what ever as it had innocent people get caught in something they shouldn't have, by being LET IN by the police, and aggitaed by said police.) definitely caused a lot of this, even though they have little to actually take out on people right now.

Can you be more specific on that. Because as far as I heard, he suspended the order, pending a 90 day review. That was a while ago though, so the time may have been up. Do you have any recent information on that? And as we saw with Russia, it doesn't require built-in backdoors to get into the US electrical grid. Probably because US cybersecurity in those sectors are known to be bad. As in literal default passwords and security settings. As for the DoJ, the DoJ does a lot of stupid shit, no matter whose President. I'm more concerned with broadstrokes than I am individuals getting off.

A Chinese 'Spy Recruitment' Scholar is Now Running Joe Biden's NSA Personnel Department. - The National Pulse

Thomas Zimmerman – a Special Assistant to Joe Biden on National Security Agency personnel – formerly served as a visiting scholar at a Chinese Communist Party think-tank labeled as a “front group for Chinese intelligence collection and overseas spy recruitment” by the FBI, The National Pulse can...

thenationalpulse.com

Link to the person he hired for, my bad not PR, Basically the hiring section.
Corrupt Biden DOJ Drops All Charges Against Five Chinese Scientists Accused of Concealing Ties to the Chinese Military Here is the article about the Scientists. I was partially wrong, bu they were Chinese military.
No new news on the power grid.

What, you think after a riot that challenged the Presidency, the Democrats aren't going to be paranoid about the Republican-heavy Military deciding they might not want to follow orders? Again, this is a direct result of the Jan 6th riot. Where that not to have happened, the Democrats would have had no ammunition. I don't know who instituted SJW/Woke training, but maybe you can be more specific?

America's largest defense contractor embraces Critical Race Theory Lockheed, Raytheon CRT Training: White Employees “must work on ‘recognizing [their] privilege’ and ‘step aside’ for minorities” Raytheon, Hell, General Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs even defends CRT (For this one, it could be him playing political lip service.) Joint Chiefs Chair Gen. Mark Milley defends teaching ‘critical race theory’ at West Point

He seems to be preparing to boycott the Olympic games. That's an actual escalation on the part of the Biden Administration.

Oh for sure. If he does that, I will begin to think he isn't as easy on China as everyone thinks. Still hate him, and if he doesn't Defend Taiwan all this is moot.

 

[Bigking321]

So fair or not, the Republican party stepped into that with Trump's own assistance.

And if evidence shows it was basically a set up/false flag that is being used as a excuse for blatant power grabs?

 

[Zachowon]

And if evidence shows it was basically a set up/false flag that is being used as a excuse for blatant power grabs?

Until the right regains power, it wont matter

 

[Terthna]

And if evidence shows it was basically a set up/false flag that is being used as a excuse for blatant power grabs?

The evidence already shows that; it's just that evidence is useless when the person you're trying to convince doesn't want to believe it.

 

[The Original Sixth]

And if evidence shows it was basically a set up/false flag that is being used as a excuse for blatant power grabs?

Trump helped create the situation where his own followers could be exploited. No matter which way you cut it, Trump stepped in it. Yes, even if it was a trap. And at this point, it really doesn't matter. The Republicans were blamed. That's the end of the story.

 

[The Original Sixth]

I gotcha, I was just putting forth it is worse off then you seemed to be making it. Jan 6th (Be it a 'false flag'/what ever as it had innocent people get caught in something they shouldn't have, by being LET IN by the police, and aggitaed by said police.) definitely caused a lot of this, even though they have little to actually take out on people right now.

Maybe it is. At this point, it doesn't matter. There was a mass demonstration, an apparent riot, and the Republicans were blamed. And the Republicans made it really easy to be blamed. The Democrats may have used a false flag or may have simply of slanted the news coverage. It doesn't matter at this point. Neither side is going to come to an agreement over what happened.

And most of Middle America has moved on. Overall, I saw it as a wash. The Democrats rioted. The Republicans rioted. Lockdowns are over and people just want to enjoy being alive. They're tired of this political bullcrap at the moment.

A Chinese 'Spy Recruitment' Scholar is Now Running Joe Biden's NSA Personnel Department. - The National Pulse

Thomas Zimmerman – a Special Assistant to Joe Biden on National Security Agency personnel – formerly served as a visiting scholar at a Chinese Communist Party think-tank labeled as a “front group for Chinese intelligence collection and overseas spy recruitment” by the FBI, The National Pulse can...

thenationalpulse.com

Link to the person he hired for, my bad not PR, Basically the hiring section.

My issue here is that this is espionage, so I have no way in knowing who this guy is actually playing for. He may be a deep US agent or he may be someone he recruited. That's not uncommon in the game of espionage. I would think that Biden's team wouldn't be so eager to have a known Chinese spy on their side.

Corrupt Biden DOJ Drops All Charges Against Five Chinese Scientists Accused of Concealing Ties to the Chinese Military

Here is the article about the Scientists. I was partially wrong, bu they were Chinese military.

Okay, but that sort of requires proof that they were actually stealing something or that the DOJ thought it had a case. The DOJ still has to go at them through the courts.

No new news on the power grid.

I didn't find any either. But I can tell you, given what we've seen from the Russians, the Chinese aren't going to need that to get into our power grid. It would also spell the end of the PRC if they did use it. Because the next step would be for the US Navy to effectively blockade China and watch it die in a matter of months.

America's largest defense contractor embraces Critical Race Theory

Lockheed, Raytheon CRT Training: White Employees “must work on ‘recognizing [their] privilege’ and ‘step aside’ for minorities” Raytheon, Hell, General Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs even defends CRT (For this one, it could be him playing political lip service.) Joint Chiefs Chair Gen. Mark Milley defends teaching ‘critical race theory’ at West Point

https://nypost.com/2021/06/23/gen-mark-milley-defends-teaching-critical-race-theory-at-west-point/

They're still liberals. I wouldn't suggest otherwise. And I expect that much of the people who like to teach this stuff are probably on the far left. I expect that even if Biden wanted a more moderate policy, the people who are going to get hired are going to be the lunatics. If you're concerned about this, you really needn't be. Diversity programs always backfire.

Oh for sure. If he does that, I will begin to think he isn't as easy on China as everyone thinks. Still hate him, and if he doesn't Defend Taiwan all this is moot.

I don't like Biden either. I'm just saying that he's not the progressive apocalypse that everyone thinks he is and he's moving AWAY from communist/SJW policies.

 

[Bassoe]

He has an interesting definition of ‘problems’.

 

[Bacle]

@The Original Sixth

What happened on Jan 6th was why I didn't go to any Trump rallies or gatherings; too many MAGA grifters, Lefty agent provocateurs, and general scammers out to use Trump's base to make a buck selling Trump merch or to try to incite an incident because they are one variety of accelerationist or another. As well, a media and tech partnership to censor and eventually completely silence Trump at the most critical time. Trump tried to tell people to stop the destruction and breaching of the Capitol, and that was when Jack Dorsey/Twitter banned him, to help maintain a narrative; I saw this happen in real time on Twitter that day.

A good example of shit the 'Right' did to help justify there accusations would be the shit that Nick Fuentes's followers did the night before, where they urged people to storm the capital, and took place in a legit barricade break down that injured officers, based on some video that's come out.

It's part of why I'd prefer DeSantis leading the 2024 ticket with someone else as VP these days; he can continue Trump's work, without all of Trump's baggage.

Though I'm also at the point where I'm not sure any voting matters anymore, so all any concern over trying to win at the polls could be completely moot anyway.

 

[JagerIV]

... democrats have been the establishment for 50 years, at least. I would put it closer to 90 years as a practical matter. Or at least, leftists have been. The Right occasionally gets a president in who can slow things a little bit, but generally get rid of him as well, such as Nixon after his second win. The right has been the insurgent opposition to the democrat designed order for a 100 years. Calling the Democrats the opposition is crazy.

Edit:

@The Original Sixth , though reading other stuff of yours its clear we come from very different values and definitions of what's important and what's going on, so I hope my incredulity did not insult.

 

[The Original Sixth]

@The Original Sixth

What happened on Jan 6th was why I didn't go to any Trump rallies or gatherings; too many MAGA grifters, Lefty agent provocateurs, and general scammers out to use Trump's base to make a buck selling Trump merch or to try to incite an incident because they are one variety of accelerationist or another.

Yeah, Trump attracts a lot of those, just as the Progressive movement attracts its own.

As well, a media and tech partnership to censor and eventually completely silence Trump at the most critical time. Trump tried to tell people to stop the destruction and breaching of the Capitol, and that was when Jack Dorsey/Twitter banned him, to help maintain a narrative; I saw this happen in real time on Twitter that day.

I agree that the timing is suspicious and I expect that it was an underhanded attempt to make Trump look bad. But that would be Jack Dorsey, not the Democratic Party that made that decision. Might they have put him up to it? Certainly. But he's got enough malice that he'd do it himself.

A good example of shit the 'Right' did to help justify there accusations would be the shit that Nick Fuentes's followers did the night before, where they urged people to storm the capital, and took place in a legit barricade break down that injured officers, based on some video that's come out.

And that's why people like Nick Fuentes and his followers should be arrested.

It's part of why I'd prefer DeSantis leading the 2024 ticket with someone else as VP these days; he can continue Trump's work, without all of Trump's baggage.

I would argue that you should wait until 2022 to decide on that. Right now, the Trump baggage that is proven, is really only that he tends to stir up the Liberals and so they will turn out in larger numbers. There is a potential that he might be stuck with the Jan 6th riots and I expect that the Media will try and stick it on him, believing that if they take Trump out, they take out the populist movement. Or at least, the hope that this will diminish their power. Both neocons and neoliberals would prefer that.

Right now though, I don't think there's any real way to know how the public feels. Primarily because I think the public is sick of the lockdowns and politics. They had to basically sit in their house while people on the left and the right rioted. And I think there are a fair number of Trump voters, moderate and right-wing, who are angry that the two riots were treated differently by the core media. BLM riots were treated as only protests, where as the Capital Hill riot was treated as if it were 9/11. Right now, I think the public is more interested in enjoying their summer, the autumn, Thanksgiving, and Christmas.

I don't think the public will be ready to really engage with politics until 2022. And that is a long time from the 2021 Jan 6th riots. They won't have the same punch then. And I expect that the Progressives in the Democratic party might decide to make a push for positions in the House and Senate. So this fight isn't really over for anybody. It has just begun and we won't know what either party will look like until 2-3 elections from now.

So if Trump and his faction do well in 2022, then there's a chance that Trump is actually a favorable candidate. Because the communists and progressives are pissed at the rest of the Democratic party, so they may not show up. Because as far as they're concerned, there isn't much difference between Biden and Trump. And if they're going to get locked out of the Democratic apparatus, then why should they provide the Democrats with the votes?

Though I'm also at the point where I'm not sure any voting matters anymore, so all any concern over trying to win at the polls could be completely moot anyway.

Republicans have been introducing bills in states they control to combat that. And if there was cheating, the best time to ever do it was during the pandemic, because social distancing could be used as an excuse to limit witnesses. So unless there's a second pandemic in 2022 and a third in 2024, the Democrats aren't going to get that chance again.

Which is why I say to every one of you; get a fucking vaccine and encouraging others to get it. Because all you're doing is putting your fellow Republican voters in the hospital and giving the Democrats a built-in excuse to have COVID type restrictions. Republicans need to accept the loss and the bullshit of the last election and move forward.

 

[Zachowon]

Yeah, Trump attracts a lot of those, just as the Progressive movement attracts its own.



I agree that the timing is suspicious and I expect that it was an underhanded attempt to make Trump look bad. But that would be Jack Dorsey, not the Democratic Party that made that decision. Might they have put him up to it? Certainly. But he's got enough malice that he'd do it himself.



And that's why people like Nick Fuentes and his followers should be arrested.



I would argue that you should wait until 2022 to decide on that. Right now, the Trump baggage that is proven, is really only that he tends to stir up the Liberals and so they will turn out in larger numbers. There is a potential that he might be stuck with the Jan 6th riots and I expect that the Media will try and stick it on him, believing that if they take Trump out, they take out the populist movement. Or at least, the hope that this will diminish their power. Both neocons and neoliberals would prefer that.

Right now though, I don't think there's any real way to know how the public feels. Primarily because I think the public is sick of the lockdowns and politics. They had to basically sit in their house while people on the left and the right rioted. And I think there are a fair number of Trump voters, moderate and right-wing, who are angry that the two riots were treated differently by the core media. BLM riots were treated as only protests, where as the Capital Hill riot was treated as if it were 9/11. Right now, I think the public is more interested in enjoying their summer, the autumn, Thanksgiving, and Christmas.

I don't think the public will be ready to really engage with politics until 2022. And that is a long time from the 2021 Jan 6th riots. They won't have the same punch then. And I expect that the Progressives in the Democratic party might decide to make a push for positions in the House and Senate. So this fight isn't really over for anybody. It has just begun and we won't know what either party will look like until 2-3 elections from now.

So if Trump and his faction do well in 2022, then there's a chance that Trump is actually a favorable candidate. Because the communists and progressives are pissed at the rest of the Democratic party, so they may not show up. Because as far as they're concerned, there isn't much difference between Biden and Trump. And if they're going to get locked out of the Democratic apparatus, then why should they provide the Democrats with the votes?



Republicans have been introducing bills in states they control to combat that. And if there was cheating, the best time to ever do it was during the pandemic, because social distancing could be used as an excuse to limit witnesses. So unless there's a second pandemic in 2022 and a third in 2024, the Democrats aren't going to get that chance again.

Which is why I say to every one of you; get a fucking vaccine and encouraging others to get it. Because all you're doing is putting your fellow Republican voters in the hospital and giving the Democrats a built-in excuse to have COVID type restrictions. Republicans need to accept the loss and the bullshit of the last election and move forward.

You had me until the very end.
I will only get the vaccine when the Military mandates it.
I do not willingly get shots anyway.

But, the Left will use the pandemic as much as they possibly can for years at this point. Have you not seen what is going on in the world? Aussie? Iceland? They will most likely use COVID again and lockdowns to make Mail in voting on the same scale in 2022.