Mothers in Risky Jobs/Scales of Empathy

[Abhishekm]

Or it's actually having basic levels of empathy and understanding that a degree of that is necessary to keep civilization and society functioning? If your response is "fuck you got mine" to a literal orphan, I would highly encourage you to do some soul searching.

Basic levels of empathy aren't. Especially for randos you read about online. And its not 'fuck you got mine' its 'who and why do I care'. Like seriously dude apart from using the lady's death as a talking point or one more thing to stew on is there much of a point to this?

Like talk about the reaction in Chicago, about a couple more people there finally growing a spine or getting slapped to their senses. But whats the point in using it as a talking point about stuff everybody already knows.

Yes, the Lady was reckless to go back to the field 2 weeks after giving birth (seriously lady take a longer break or apply for desk work or for apply for low stress work for a while because like weren't you before the birth?). Her bosses were kinda assholes for putting her on responsibilities that had the chance for something like this to happen (because common you morons you are Police in Chicago and the woman just gave birth). Yes women are on average and in the vast vaaast majority of cases wimps compared to the average dude (because action girl movies are dump and should come with don't try this in real life warnings). Yes Chicago is that much of a shitholw with that shitty a criminal population (Shocker!).

All this is known, all this is obvious and all this erodes any fucks you should give about it. Because they certainly don't.

It's entirely possible to 'in abstract' care about humanity at large, but that abstraction is a very different thing that actual, direct emotional connection.

My assumption on that 'tribal mind' thing is its either BS or people generally round up concepts like 'the world', 'humanity' or 'that TV show I like' and all that other crap into individual people in their minds and assign them to those slots. I blame treating concepts like government or businesses as if they were people.

 

[History Learner]

The truth is human's only usually truly care about around 100 people in the world to the point of having real empathy for them.

It's why company's in the military have around 100 people in them, because military trainers long ago realized human empathy has effective limits.

Taking empathy and focusing it to the people that can actually directly affect your immediate wellbeing is far more effective at keeping you and them alive. I know it rubs against the supposed universal empathy many in the US and West seem to think we should feel for every human on this ball of rock, but it makes it no less true.

What's a battalion? A division? Hell, what is a nation-state? Welfare system? Etc...

 

[Bacle]

What's a battalion? A division? Hell, what is a nation-state? Welfare system? Etc...

Economic and logistical formalities so that you have different company's/tribal units/bureaucratic groups doing different jobs, theoretically all for mutual protection and gain.

 

[Zachowon]

What's a battalion? A division? Hell, what is a nation-state? Welfare system? Etc...

He said a company....
But companies very from tiny to over. Hundred people so.

Do you think a LTC cares for every single soldier under his care? The general of a Division?
THAT is what he is getting at

 

[History Learner]

Economic and logistical formalities so that you have different company's/tribal units/bureaucratic groups doing different jobs, theoretically all for mutual protection and gain.

In other words, requiring empathy.

He said a company....
But companies very from tiny to over. Hundred people so.

Do you think a LTC cares for every single soldier under his care? The general of a Division?
THAT is what he is getting at

Yes. Are they detached enough to make hard choices? Yes, but that doesn't mean your average officer is a butcher willing to throw away lives for no reason.

 

[Abhishekm]

In other words, requiring empathy.

"Required". People really take the amount of effort and sacrifice that went into this stuff for granted. Ourselves included.

. Are they detached enough to make hard choices? Yes, but that doesn't mean your average officer is a butcher willing to throw away lives for no reason.

No but that doesn't mean they burst into tears for everyone that dies. Sure as a concept they can understand even if more and more don't seem to care that much anymore.

But really apart from the use for political diatribes cough cough they don't exactly seem that shaken up about it on average.

 

[Bacle]

In other words, requiring empathy.

Or just resistance to change and indoctrination, after a certain point in human civilization, once the basic groups/states had taken shape.

Empathy, true empathy, not just an abstraction over effectively faceless masses, is something that people only have a limited number of individuals they can truly apply it to.

There is no shame in understanding the realistic limits of humanity, instead of trying to pretend we are or should be 'more/better' than we are as a species or civilization.

 

[Abhishekm]

Or just resistance to change and indoctrination, after a certain point in human civilization, once the basic groups/states had taken shape.

Empathy, true empathy, not just an abstraction over effectively faceless masses, is something that people only have a limited number of individuals they can truly apply it to.

There is no shame in understanding the realistic limits of humanity, instead of trying to pretend we are or should be 'more/better' than we are as a species or civilization.

I could add more edgy edge words to this train wreck but nah. But again don't take that tribe thing too seriously bacle. If there is any truth to it people kinda grew into the see concepts or groups as people thing a long looong time ago.

 

[Bacle]

I could add more edgy edge words to this train wreck but nah. But again don't take that tribe thing too seriously bacle. If there is any truth to it people kinda grew into the see concepts or groups as people thing a long looong time ago.

I'm not denying that people concepts/groups as people thing, but I am trying to explain that true empathy is not something that anyone can be expected to have for an infinite amount of inidividuals they do not have any true link to.

 

[Abhishekm]

I'm not denying that people concepts/groups as people thing, but I am trying to explain that true empathy is not something that anyone can be expected to have for an infinite amount of inidividuals they do not have any true link to.

Thats Jesus's shtick. So have empathy for Jesus. Religions take some form of that to solve the problem. But as always real people make it hard.

Like sudden tragedies and tear inducing cases like this can server as great reminders and calls to action or reflection. Or atleast they could. Nowadays they have been withered down through exposure and over usage by vultures to the point of barely being click bait anymore.

 

[LTR]

New Thread Made for the Side Discussion.

 

[bintananth]

Do you think a LTC cares for every single soldier under his care? The general of a Division?
THAT is what he is getting at

A Lieutenant Colonel almost certainly doesn't know the names of everyone who has to follow their orders off the top of their head. A Major or Captain probably doesn't either and a Lieutenant might if they have a really good memory.

 

[bintananth]

Cool story, but I don't care. The empirical evidence is too obvious, too overwhelming, and no amount of political brainwashing is ever going to change the nature of reality.

My youngest sis works with stuff so reactive that she once set liquid Nitrogen on fire by accident.

Umm ... the kinds of fires she starts when she makes a mistake can not be extinguished by any known means.

 

[Doomsought]

Better question is why a new mother, and a single mother at that, was allowed to be a cop at all?

That is a good question. A single mother working full time sounds like child abuse, a form negligence. Working part time or working from home would be acceptable, but not being there to fulfill a child's every need when they can still die from not being pampered enough is abusive. Young children, especially babies, can die from a lack of social interaction.

 

[bintananth]

That is a good question. A single mother working full time sounds like child abuse, a form negligence. Working part time or working from home would be acceptable, but not being there to fulfill a child's every need when they can still die from not being pampered enough is abusive. Young children, especially babies, can die from a lack of social interaction.

US society has shown a severe unwillingness to support any single mother (be she a widow, divorced, rape victim, just made bad decisions, &c) to allow her to stay home and be a "full-time mommy" unless she's independently wealthy. They get referred to by politicians (especially right wing ones) by derogatory terms like "Welfare Queen" or worse.

She often has to work outside the home because otherwise her kids won't have enough to eat, proper clothing, or a roof over their head.

 

[Doomsought]

US society has shown a severe unwillingness to support any single mother

Why should it? Why should they create new life when they don't have the ability to support the new life. Getting drunk before driving is also just bad decisions, but drunk drivers suffer the consequences for their actions. Women are getting divorced for incredibly petty reasons, and if they get sole custody they also get child support so you are wrong about that case on both ends. Widows are a tragedy, and rape is a crime that often has two victims.

 

[bintananth]

Why should it? Why should they create new life when they don't have the ability to support the new life. Getting drunk before driving is also just bad decisions, but drunk drivers suffer the consequences for their actions. Women are getting divorced for incredibly petty reasons, and if they get sole custody they also get child support so you are wrong about that case on both ends. Widows are a tragedy, and rape is a crime that often has two victims.

Almost no distinction is made when it comes to talking points. That's one of the problems.

The US labor force participation rate 78.3% for people 20-64 and rising. That's a pretty good indicator that most married couples can't afford to have one parent stay at home full-time to raise the kids without taking a severe hit to their standard of living. That's another issue.

You were saying that mothers shouldn't work outside the home, and that's what I was responding to. For most families, that's not feasable because they can't afford that luxury.

 

[Doomsought]

The US labor force participation rate 78.3% for people 20-64 and rising. That's a pretty good indicator that most married couples can't afford to have one parent stay at home full-time to raise the kids without taking a severe hit to their standard of living. That's another issue.

And that is why we are supposed to limit immigration.

 

[bintananth]

And that is why we are supposed to limit immigration.

No, it is not.

Unless you're soley decended from people who came to the Americas before an Italian named Christopher Columbus conned Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain into funding a Westward expedition across the Atlantic to avoid dealing with the Portugese and/or Arabs when heading to-and-from India you are descended from immigrants.

 

[Doomsought]

No, it is not.

controlling the immigration rate is the least invasive and most effective way manipulate the value of labor.