Alternate History Nuka Tonic (2021 SI to 1936)

[Evilutionary]

Ur right however it seems that the author is deadset on meeting FDR as quickly as possible and intends on telling him his knowledge so imo saving his life is probably the fastest way to get that meeting to tell him about you being from the future. I don't like the idea of the SI telling people from the future either. Also what do you think the SI could tell a Congressman to get a meeting with FDR without telling the congressman about u being from the future?

His phone is Buck Rogers right there as far as 'future person evidence'. It won't work as a phone anymore but it does demonstrate a certain technological level that is entirely science fiction in 1936 (and the most powerful computer on the planet at this point). He just has to avoid draining the charge for a few days as I don't think I'd risk charging it until I used it to get a door open. Granted phone charger for the car might help but not sure what he has on hand.

 

[Lokiwerk]

His phone is Buck Rogers right there as far as 'future person evidence'. It won't work as a phone anymore but it does demonstrate a certain technological level that is entirely science fiction in 1936 (and the most powerful computer on the planet at this point). He just has to avoid draining the charge for a few days as I don't think I'd risk charging it until I used it to get a door open. Granted phone charger for the car might help but not sure what he has on hand.

Wouldn't that be giving up that he's from the future though?

 

[Evilutionary]

Wouldn't that be giving up that he's from the future though?

Yeah, but not sure what route the OP wants to go in. Honestly, his car would be somewhat of a giveaway as well if he sells it or doesn't dismantle it himself to try to duplicate it (as year markings will be on a number of parts besides).

Becoming a downtime success in order to influence (global) events is going to be a lot longer road and entirely dependent on the Insert's skill set (and probably a detailed historical memory with a lot of technical know-how for some options). Don't know what tools he has available at his disposal yet besides a few personal items.

 

[Buba]

Penicillin for syphilis? Should sell like hot cakes ...

 

[Evilutionary]

Penicillin for syphilis? Should sell like hot cakes ...

Penicillin iirc is already in development, it took a while to isolate and get a usable product out of it. Without looking it up I believe the British company that was working on it gave up its research to an American one in cooperation to finish up to get something they could use because of WW2. And again, very detailed technical knowledge would be required on the insert's part.

 

[The Unicorn]

Public access was allowed on the lawn and outside the White House it was not granted inside at all. You couldn't just walk in without some kind of permission. The secret service very much existed then and I guarantee you anyone trying to get in the White House would get a very rude awakening

YOu are provably wrong. Nn at least one occasion during WWII, when security was (at least supposedly) a lot tighter than in 1936, a man simply walked in to the white house and joined FDR and family watching a movie - they only noticed him when the lights came up at the end of the movie. And that's getting into FDR's private residence, not the busy west wing, and remember no photo IDs in this time period.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/09/weird-white-house-intruders-security-breeches.html

The SI knows what marketing strategies to use because he literally comes from the future.

Wrong. Even if he was a marketing expert and actually kneww all the details of some marketing campaign or other that would not tell him what marketting to use because a successful marketing campaign in 1939, could be a complete failure in 1936. More importantly, he's not going to know all the details, he might remember some things in general, but there's no way to tell what details were what made the campaign successful, and many of the "inventions" you mentioned were only successful because of cultural or infrastructure elements that don't exist yet in 1936.

Ur right he doesn't have connections which is exactly why he would go to a bank to pitch his patents to get a head start and be able to reach out to bigger companies to use his patents. He really doesn’t have to start any businesses

You have no idea how patents work, do you?
You don't go to a bank for a patent, you go to a lawyer, whom you pay, often quite a lot of money, to take detailed drawings and often an actual working example and convert them to a valid patent application that will protect your invention. He will then send it to the US patent office and weeks/months letter they'll respond with, not a patent number but questions about the patent, and you'll need to pay the lawyer to answer them.
To take for example the Hula hoop the patent was applied for in in 1959 and wasn't granted till 1963. That is fairly typical of the time frame needed for a patent to be granted when there were no challenges, and without the "patent application number" that wasn't established until decades later, you can't go selling this without risking it getting stolen or a long and expensive legal battle.

And this of course assumes that you can actually describe the thing in sufficient detail to get a patent. Here's a challenge for you - try and describe a Hula Hoop with enough detail someone in 1958 would grant you a patent. I just read the patent and it's considerably more complex than most people would think.

Even if you don't like my patent and oil idea I don't see how breaking into the White House to confront FDR is a good idea in any rational or reasonable sense. The scenario that's in the second chapter is laughably unrealistic

The scpecific scenerio in the first version of the chapter had some issues, but your objections do not reflect the actual conditions historically, and while there are better ways to go about it, your plans are much worse and make absolutely no sense.

A brief note on vending machines... even in the late 1970s I remember blank steel plugs being used to steal plays from arcade machines.

Good to know. I thought the precise weight measurement was established long before that.

As mentioned all of his UT US currency is now highly illegal (counterfeit) given it represents itself as US legal tender.

Except it doesn't.
Coins don't say on them "legal tender" or anything of the sort so as long as they are sold as collector's items they are not illegal.
I suppose if someone deliberately wanted to cause trouble they could make a case, but I doubt anything would happen even then.

Any coin collector will know it and probably show him the door

I'm pretty sure you're wrong, although the market for "novelty coins" aka fake coins at the time seems to have been smaller than I assumed.

 

[Lokiwerk]

YOu are provably wrong. Nn at least one occasion during WWII, when security was (at least supposedly) a lot tighter than in 1936, a man simply walked in to the white house and joined FDR and family watching a movie - they only noticed him when the lights came up at the end of the movie. And that's getting into FDR's private residence, not the busy west wing, and remember no photo IDs in this time period.

You notice how that person is referred to as an “intruder” meaning he specifically wasn't supposed to be there and the article doesn't say if he got a punishment or not, he could of went to jail. It still doesn't disprove that breaking into the White House isn't a dumb idea that no rational human should try

Wrong. Even if he was a marketing expert and actually kneww all the details of some marketing campaign or other that would not tell him what marketting to use because a successful marketing campaign in 1939, could be a complete failure in 1936. More importantly, he's not going to know all the details, he might remember some things in general, but there's no way to tell what details were what made the campaign successful, and many of the "inventions" you mentioned were only successful because of cultural or infrastructure elements that don't exist yet in 1936.

ok, it's up to the SI to figure it out and find ways to be successful and make money. He's not entitled to easy money. He lives in that era now it's his responsibility to figure out what works and what doesn't. And guess what he can succeed and fail that's part of being a human.

You have no idea how patents work, do you?
You don't go to a bank for a patent, you go to a lawyer, whom you pay, often quite a lot of money, to take detailed drawings and often an actual working example and convert them to a valid patent application that will protect your invention

I know, I was stating after getting the patents he can try to get loans to start a business with whatever patent he wants to work with

To take for example the Hula hoop the patent was applied for in in 1959 and wasn't granted till 1963. That is fairly typical of the time frame needed for a patent to be granted when there were no challenges, and without the "patent application number" that wasn't established until decades later, you can't go selling this without risking it getting stolen or a long and expensive legal battle.

again, what's wrong with the SI waiting a couple years? God forbid the guy has to work hard and live like everyone else in that era for a period of time. Like I don't understand what's the rush, he has plenty of time to change things and make an impact. Yes unfortunately WW2 will happen but guess what the allies will win and in the 50s the American economy will boom. If anything the SI should be working on building up wealth and political/social clout to effect the 60s in a big way to help with civil rights

And this of course assumes that you can actually describe the thing in sufficient detail to get a patent. Here's a challenge for you - try and describe a Hula Hoop with enough detail someone in 1958 would grant you a patent. I just read the patent and it's considerably more complex than most people would think.

sure, the author can also give the SI a ton of knowledge on a specific patent that he thinks will be very lucrative for the SI and have the beginning of the fic be him building up the business and climbing up the wealth and social ladder

 

[The Unicorn]

You notice how that person is referred to as an “intruder” meaning he specifically wasn't supposed to be there

What's that supposed to mean? Of course he was an intruder, the entire point was to demonstrate that the SI could easily manage to get to the president if they wanted to. As for punishment, if the President agrees that whatever the SI had to say was important they wouldn't get punished even if they entered his private residence, much less the west Wing.

ok, it's up to the SI to figure it out and find ways to be successful and make money. He's not entitled to easy money. He lives in that era now it's his responsibility to figure out what works and what doesn't. And guess what he can succeed and fail that's part of being a human.

I have no idea what you are talking about here. You're the one who claimed he could easily make a lot of money. My point is it's not easy and would take a lot of time so if he wants a chance to save millions of people he needs to contact the movers and shakers in 1936 and prove to them he's from the future to get them acting on his information.

I know, I was stating after getting the patents he can try to get loans to start a business with whatever patent he wants to work with

No one would loan him anything just because he had patents for some rubbish, which as I demonstrated would take years. If he could come up with a reasonable business plan, and had some seed money to invest, then maybe. But even then anything that relies on fads and marketing is almost certain to be a failure and thus wouldn't get loans, especially considering the economy in 1936.

again, what's wrong with the SI waiting a couple years?

If you could come up with a plan that would let him start doing things in two years? Nothing. THe problem is you have a plan that would do absolutely nothing for 4-5 years at the end of which he'd be back where he started except having wasted those years and a lot of money for nothing.
Weather the SI goes directly to the president or works his way through his congresscritter, or contacts some industrialist/buisnessman and gets them to use tgheir contacts if he wants to change the course of history in a positive fashion he needs to tell people at the top about being a timetraveller and get them acting on his information ASAP, because you don't change the course of nations in a couple of days and it's not like he has a battalion of modern tanks or even engineering drawings for them to start working on - anything he tells them will require years of work to implement.

sure, the author can also give the SI a ton of knowledge on a specific patent that he thinks will be very lucrative for the SI and have the beginning of the fic be him building up the business and climbing up the wealth and social ladder

That's called bad writing.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

I've got two chapters I will release (with the first chapter being rewritten, but barely even noticeably) I might get a third one in, but it still needs a bit more work.

Hopefully I will get that third one out, but two chapters should be on the horizon.

Alternatively, I will be using the Extras tab for any Update's to the story, and as a sort of 'coverage' to it for ye who Watch. So if I decide to Rewrite, delete entirely, or simply post a poll, it will be in the Extras tab. Toodles boyo's!
Also, here's the Shrek 5 trailer ->

 

[ATP]

While the blend has changed several times, I'm not sure the change would significantly affect how it feels.
Point, but I still think it's possible and plausabile that the clerk not notice the coins are wrong as long as they're the right size, shape and color.


1. I don't think you're right about that, and more importantly Stalin didn't think so.
2. Assuming he agreed with your interpretation, and you had such knowledge and could convince him you were telling the truth, and for that matter knew where he was. Finding the white house is easy, finding Ford? Well depends on what information you remember.
3. The US in 1945 did not agree, that is in fact why the war ended then.

1.Sralin do not need consolidate anything after he purged party,army and NKWD.He had absolute power and knew that - so his useful idiots in USA could be ordered to murder SI.One of FDR waifu lovers could do so.
2.Go Detroit ,show your car in Ford manufacture and ask for personal meeting with him
3.And risked anihilation when soviets get nukes.Only reason why soviets do not burned USA when they undarstsndt that their ill state was failing was becouse it was ruled by cynics,not belivers.
Somebody like Sralin or even Brezniew would burn USA if his state was failing.

Idiots in USA risked their anihilation when they do not destroyed soviets in 1945.Ford would undarstsndt that,FDR,like history showed - not.

 

[The Unicorn]

Idiots in USA risked their anihilation when they do not destroyed soviets in 1945.Ford would undarstsndt that,FDR,like history showed - not.

Not really. They Soviets got the bomb in 1949 because they could steal it, it the US counter inteligence was not as thoroughly infiltrated by the soviets then the decision not to fight the soviets was a sensible one.

With a divergence in 1936 they can actually secure their projects from infiltration by the soviets, especially if the SI remembers a few names.

While presenting the car in public would let him (eventually) get a meeting with Ford, or the president or anyone else he wants, it's a very public way of arranging such a meeting, which is not what you want if you want to get them to start acting on secret information. If you want a quiet/secret meeting, so people won't hear about the timetraveler then you need something else.

 

[ATP]

Not really. They Soviets got the bomb in 1949 because they could steal it, it the US counter inteligence was not as thoroughly infiltrated by the soviets then the decision not to fight the soviets was a sensible one.

With a divergence in 1936 they can actually secure their projects from infiltration by the soviets, especially if the SI remembers a few names.

While presenting the car in public would let him (eventually) get a meeting with Ford, or the president or anyone else he wants, it's a very public way of arranging such a meeting, which is not what you want if you want to get them to start acting on secret information. If you want a quiet/secret meeting, so people won't hear about the timetraveler then you need something else.

In theory possible,in practice - not.Entire FDR staff was full of soviet spies,and SI do not knew who they are.So,telling FDR that he had info from future but do not knew on whom he could rely is not good beginning.

He would be compromised anyway - but if he go to FDR,Sralin would knew about that week later.And soviets would knew,that ke new about future,including how soviets fall.
If he go to Ford ? soviets would knew month later that Ford get new car design from somebody.If Ford remain discreet,soviets would knew nothing more for next few years.
And that knowledge with additional money from new technologies would let to republican president in 1944.All they need is wait till soviets start atrocities in Poland/1945/ and use it as pretext to nuke them.
Since average soviets hated communism,and there was no save way for choosing next ruler,entire state would fall when Sralin dies.

You could have american century with A-bomb monopoly.With his knowledge about China he should made few China states,not one.

 

[The Unicorn]

In theory possible,in practice - not.

In that case it's doomed and nothing can be done.

 

[Buba]

@ATP makes a good point. Too many communist traitors/useful idiots around FDR as to trust him with UT knowledge.
Ford or some other rich guy is a better solution.
Get somebody else elected in 1940.
1936 might be too early, but after FDR tries to stuff the SCOTUS with his toadies and fucks up the economy a different 1940 electoral outcome may be possible. Also - blow the whistle on FDR's disability and poor health - which was kept under wraps by tame press - to make him lose votes.

A boy can dream ... <3

 

[VictortheMonarch]

@ATP makes a good point. Too many communist traitors/useful idiots around FDR as to trust him with UT knowledge.
Ford or some other rich guy is a better solution.
Get somebody else elected in 1940.
1936 might be too early, but after FDR tries to stuff the SCOTUS with his toadies and fucks up the economy a different 1940 electoral outcome may be possible. Also - blow the whistle on FDR's disability and poor health - which was kept under wraps by tame press - to make him lose votes.

A boy can dream ... <3

Personally I would never go with Ford. He was a Racist Anti-Semite who aided Adolf Hitler throughout WWII by playing the "They stole my factories, but don't Blow them up, UWU", allowing the Nazi's to use said factories as a way of protecting their military Industry, prolonging the war. If things go my way he'll get executed publically, but I'll leave that to you guys.

Honestly, I believe that I might keep FDR throughout WWII, but the thought of being the BIG BOY IN CHIEF sounds like an Interesting thought.

Also, didn't you get banned Buba?

 

[VictortheMonarch]

Second Chapter is Deleted.

Putting on the finishing touches to the Replacement chapter, then Chapter Three- Factory Fuckery will be commenced!

Otherwise, lick a cow

 

[VictortheMonarch]

So I did something rather stupid and have lost all my updates to Chapter 2, so I am going to postpone Chapter 2 to tomorrow. I've got work, toodles.

 

[Atarlost]

Nashville, TN. 10/26/1946

Shouldn't the timestamp say 1936? That's what the thread title and the newspaper in the story have.

The future currency is probably the best proof of time travel for politicians, though if he can get to Ford the car is also very helpful.

He's got allegedly US bills with 21st century dates on them made to a higher standard than the actual mint can match. US currency was not watermarked at the time. The plates are obviously different from the plates used by the mint, but they're at least as high quality and the faces on some of the bills are the same image scaled up. The paper isn't exactly the same, but it's made with the same sort of colored fibers. The ability to make 21st century greenbacks implies the ability to make mint quality counterfeits of 1930s greenbacks. To then use that ability for a time travel hoax would be insane. This is something most people at the treasury or FBI will readily understand in a way they won't understand a digital watch or personal electronics.

 

[ATP]

In that case it's doomed and nothing can be done.

Why? USA was not soviet union,where Sralin ruled till friends killed him.FDR could be removed in elections - you only need somebody like Ford to made more money and organize support in 1940 or 1944 elections.In both cases USA could win WW2,strike down soviets,and become ONE AND ONLY WORLD POWER.

SI should not thing about other countries,but USA,and USA would be doomed if soviets survive.Becouse they would eventually get A bomb,they had spies in England and France,too.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

Shouldn't the timestamp say 1936? That's what the thread title and the newspaper in the story have.

The future currency is probably the best proof of time travel for politicians, though if he can get to Ford the car is also very helpful.

He's got allegedly US bills with 21st century dates on them made to a higher standard than the actual mint can match. US currency was not watermarked at the time. The plates are obviously different from the plates used by the mint, but they're at least as high quality and the faces on some of the bills are the same image scaled up. The paper isn't exactly the same, but it's made with the same sort of colored fibers. The ability to make 21st century greenbacks implies the ability to make mint quality counterfeits of 1930s greenbacks. To then use that ability for a time travel hoax would be insane. This is something most people at the treasury or FBI will readily understand in a way they won't understand a digital watch or personal electronics.

Ehhh, I was drunk when I wrote most of the first chapter.