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My friend, unless an actual Right wing (as opposed to the Right wing we have now) takes power, we're going to have the kind of socialism you fear. I mean, how is giving even more money to the people who are losing and will continue to lose going to help us?
That's a silly deflection because you are saying that since commie domination is inevitable we should just give up and let it take over the system quickly to get it over with.
 
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I mean honestly it’s far worse than 20th century communism. Post modern revolutionary anti western anti civilizationists are far more durable and have constructed an epistemology and whole mental apparatus to shield themselves from reality. They intend through sheer force of will to break reality itself.

Of course eventually even the heirs of Foucault and Gramsci will fail. But if they are allowed to rule uncontested, they will rule for a long long time.

and when their power crumbles civilization itself will likely perish.
 

The Name of Love

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That's a silly deflection because you are saying that since commie domination is inevitable we should just give up and let it take over the system quickly to get it over with.

Well, it wouldn't be inevitable if a) the people running the system completely exhausted themselves in the process of centralizing power or b) there was a mature right-wing movement ready to take on the Left. But I don't see either of these coming to fruition. What I do know is that your support for funding the Federalist will not only let commies take us over, but it'll make it such that the "conservatives" will be the ones implementing the communist takeover.
 

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Well, it wouldn't be inevitable if
Yeah but that doesn't change the fact that it is inevitable by your own logic.
But I don't see either of these coming to fruition. What I do know is that your support for funding the Federalist will not only let commies take us over, but it'll make it such that the "conservatives" will be the ones implementing the communist takeover.
Yeah, they will swing more leftward later at which point they won't receive a dime more of my time, but until that day I am not giving in to the liberals just so they can take over all the quicker, while I chase a presently non-existent alternative that may or may not even exist.
 

The Name of Love

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Yeah, they will swing more leftward later at which point they won't receive a dime more of my time, but until that day I am not giving in to the liberals just so they can take over all the quicker, while I chase a presently non-existent alternative that may or may not even exist.
They are already Leftist in practice. Did you not see the Bostock case?

So what is the flaw in Rush Limbaugh's approach?
Does Rush Limbaugh tackle any interesting questions or consider any interesting ideas, or does he simply run defense for the Republican Party? To my knowledge, his entire career has been the latter. Meaning that all he's done is defend an establishment that doesn't particularly care about the concerns of his viewers.
 

LordsFire

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They are already Leftist in practice. Did you not see the Bostock case?


Does Rush Limbaugh tackle any interesting questions or consider any interesting ideas, or does he simply run defense for the Republican Party? To my knowledge, his entire career has been the latter. Meaning that all he's done is defend an establishment that doesn't particularly care about the concerns of his viewers.

Well, it's obvious to me that you've either never listened to him, or haven't listened to him very much. That you'd make such strident statements about something you know little to nothing about does not surprise me.

Rush Limbaugh is famous amongst those who actually know anything about him, for how he despises 'establishment Republicans,' and how he cares about, principles and ideals.

He's been on-point about what bad-faith actors Democrat politicians have been since the 90's.

He arguably single-handedly broke the leftist monopoly on mass-media, back in the 80's.

He habitually breaks news stories and makes predictions well ahead of the MSM.

He has consistently called out moral decay, 'defining deviancy down,' and the like.

In 2008, he ran 'Operation Chaos,' wherein he actively encouraged conservatives to vote in open Democrat Primaries to keep Hillary in the race against Obama as long as possible, to encourage Democrat infighting.

He started writing a children's book series, to considerable success, about great American patriots in history, with the explicit goal of helping keep real understanding of America's great history alive.

Through his program, he has persuaded any number of former leftists to stop being leftists, and a number have called in to share their stories about such.


Rush Limbaugh has been on the front lines of the culture war for more than thirty years, fighting relentlessly and consistently. He has arguably been the single most important figure for such since Ronald Reagan, and you?

You are so ignorant of what has and is actually happening in the culture war, that you don't even know this.

You are so uninformed about what is actually going on in the culture war, that your thoughts and stances aren't just useless, they're actively harmful. You've got a hell of a lot to learn before you can contribute, rather than just criticize.
 

The Name of Love

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Well, it's obvious to me that you've either never listened to him, or haven't listened to him very much. That you'd make such strident statements about something you know little to nothing about does not surprise me.

Rush Limbaugh is famous amongst those who actually know anything about him, for how he despises 'establishment Republicans,' and how he cares about, principles and ideals.

He's been on-point about what bad-faith actors Democrat politicians have been since the 90's.

He arguably single-handedly broke the leftist monopoly on mass-media, back in the 80's.

He habitually breaks news stories and makes predictions well ahead of the MSM.

He has consistently called out moral decay, 'defining deviancy down,' and the like.

In 2008, he ran 'Operation Chaos,' wherein he actively encouraged conservatives to vote in open Democrat Primaries to keep Hillary in the race against Obama as long as possible, to encourage Democrat infighting.

He started writing a children's book series, to considerable success, about great American patriots in history, with the explicit goal of helping keep real understanding of America's great history alive.

Through his program, he has persuaded any number of former leftists to stop being leftists, and a number have called in to share their stories about such.


Rush Limbaugh has been on the front lines of the culture war for more than thirty years, fighting relentlessly and consistently. He has arguably been the single most important figure for such since Ronald Reagan, and you?

You are so ignorant of what has and is actually happening in the culture war, that you don't even know this.

You are so uninformed about what is actually going on in the culture war, that your thoughts and stances aren't just useless, they're actively harmful. You've got a hell of a lot to learn before you can contribute, rather than just criticize.
Single most important figure for the Right since Ronald Reagan, huh? Well, if that's the case, then you've made my case even stronger. Because he hasn't been able to stop this.
 

LordsFire

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Single most important figure for the Right since Ronald Reagan, huh? Well, if that's the case, then you've made my case even stronger. Because he hasn't been able to stop this.

...Really. Because one man hasn't been able to stop the political left all by himself, what he has accomplished doesn't matter?

Good grief.

Rush Limbaugh has a weekly audience of over 20 million. If we had ten people as successful as he is, that might be enough.
 

The Name of Love

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...Really. Because one man hasn't been able to stop the political left all by himself, what he has accomplished doesn't matter?

Good grief.

Rush Limbaugh has a weekly audience of over 20 million. If we had ten people as successful as he is, that might be enough.
Imagine if he used his platform to explore why the Left keeps winning and try to inject mainstream conservatism with new ideas that might give them new life.

I mean, Tucker Carlson sort of does this. Most popular Cable News Show in history, and he's trying to promote paleoconservatism, of all things. Limbaugh could be engaging in those ideas too. Why doesn't he?
 

LordsFire

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Imagine if he used his platform to explore why the Left keeps winning and try to inject mainstream conservatism with new ideas that might give them new life.

He does explore why the left keeps winning, you ignorant person. He also regularly talks about how to win, and as someone far more informed on the subject than you are. He actually does things like cite policies and strategies that have worked, and talks about why they work.

The more you try to tell people you know little to nothing about, about subjects you know less about than they do, the more of a fool you make yourself out to be.
 

Curved_Sw0rd

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Single most important figure for the Right since Ronald Reagan, huh? Well, if that's the case, then you've made my case even stronger. Because he hasn't been able to stop this.
If you are looking for a single person who's going to be St. George slaying the dragon, you're going to be looking for a very long time. You of all people should know, the Cathedral is far too big for any single person to take head on. This is a group effort.
 

The Name of Love

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He does explore why the left keeps winning, you ignorant person. He also regularly talks about how to win, and as someone far more informed on the subject than you are. He actually does things like cite policies and strategies that have worked, and talks about why they work.

The more you try to tell people you know little to nothing about, about subjects you know less about than they do, the more of a fool you make yourself out to be.
Is he? What does he actually say? Let's watch.



Well, he hasn't changed substantially in thirty-two years. I can see why he's considered "very conservative" now. He's very much in favor of all the things that Republicans thirty-two years ago were in favor of. He describes the NeverTrumpers as a class of egoists that wanted Reaganism and were mad Trump implemented it instead of them. He doesn't really address why public opinion has changed on these issues. He doesn't really explain what substantial issues NeverTrumpers opposed Trump on (immigration, free trade, foreign policy) that made them switch sides. He talks about a defection, but he doesn't really address why the high-IQ Republicans failed when Trump succeeded. It's just a mess here.


Here, he claims that the Gorsuch ruling was unlike him. Meanwhile, in reality:

Gorsuch’s views on LGBT issues weren’t some nuclear secret, locked in a vault. They were on clear display in a previous ruling he made back in 2008. That case, Kastl v. Maricopa County, concerned a man who claimed to be a woman, and demanded use of the ladies room. He was later fired.

While Kastl lost his case, the Ninth Circuit Court affirmed … exactly what the Supreme Court ruled this week. That Title VII of the Civil Rights Act applied to “transgender” issues, and protects such putative “women.” Gorsuch signed that ruling, without dissenting from that radical claim.

So Gorsuch was already on the record as agreeing with the wildest theory advanced by the Obama administration and the LGBT lobby about the secret meaning of the Civil Rights Act. Yet the Federalist Society approved him as a top candidate for Trump to appoint to the court.

But no, I'm the one who's ill-informed.
 

Curved_Sw0rd

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Well, he hasn't changed substantially in thirty-two years. I can see why he's considered "very conservative" now. He's very much in favor of all the things that Republicans thirty-two years ago were in favor of. He describes the NeverTrumpers as a class of egoists that wanted Reaganism and were mad Trump implemented it instead of them. He doesn't really address why public opinion has changed on these issues. He doesn't really explain what substantial issues NeverTrumpers opposed Trump on (immigration, free trade, foreign policy) that made them switch sides. He talks about a defection, but he doesn't really address why the high-IQ Republicans failed when Trump succeeded. It's just a mess here.
Here, he claims that the Gorsuch ruling was unlike him. Meanwhile, in reality:
Rush isn't an intellectual, and frankly doesn't need to be such. I don't see any failure here in the clip you've posted, maybe he's wrong about the root cause of NeverTrumperism, but let's be honest, career politicians like that are never going to give a straight answer.

What Rush does is make the case for Conservatism. He isn't high in the sky thinking about philosophy, he's telling people that the Left is going to fuck them over. You may think it insufficient in the long run, but the truth of the matter is, the Right can multitask. Making the call for deeper philosophy for the Right is one thing, but excoriating the entire movement is foolishness.
 

The Name of Love

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Rush isn't an intellectual, and frankly doesn't need to be such. I don't see any failure here in the clip you've posted, maybe he's wrong about the root cause of NeverTrumperism, but let's be honest, career politicians like that are never going to give a straight answer.

What Rush does is make the case for Conservatism. He isn't high in the sky thinking about philosophy, he's telling people that the Left is going to fuck them over. You may think it insufficient in the long run, but the truth of the matter is, the Right can multitask. Making the call for deeper philosophy for the Right is one thing, but excoriating the entire movement is foolishness.
Well, if he's not the intellectual, then what are the sources of his ideas? And, perhaps more importantly, who's paying him to promote those ideas?
 

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And, perhaps more importantly, who's paying him to promote those ideas?
Probably the various radio stations airing him, on account of him being spectacularly popular among talk-show radio audiences? Same way comedians work, they get popular and draw crows, so they get payed more for doing it. And to refuse is to give up on some degree of wealth yourself.
 

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